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Odd, seeing as California is a two party consent state. Cop could have just said "I do not consent to your recording me" then arrested them for continuing.
Two party consent does not apply to , and also (but you have to tell them that you are recording).
 

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Two party consent does not apply to , and also (but you have to tell them that you are recording).
Yeah, but California has specific laws with heavier penalties towards recording. Seems to be a clusterfuck on purpose because I can't find a common interpretation. Most of them seem to boil down to whatever the particular judge decides.

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Impeachment acquittal, suck it libcucks.
 
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Jesus, the bias in that 'news' 'article'.
I'm not surprised you get so many TDSers like Bob.
  • Trump was acquitted :(
  • Several paragraphs of 'Trump Bad!'
  • Lots of comments of anti-Trump senators
  • finally right at the bottom closes with a couple of token comments from Trump Defenders
  • but has to get the last 'remember: Trump = Bad' in with the final line of 'remember: he's the only pres. impeached twice! (ignore that he won both impeachments pls)'
 

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And nobody was surprised he got off
A political show trial that only has half the politician's support(If they vote yes, then the rest of them are up next, so they won't) that needed 2/3rds support
All that over what is already very questionable comments that are not even near the worst we've seen during his time as president

They knew exactly what was going to happen, but now they can complain about the other side more
 

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Of course, doesn't make gloating any less enjoyable though. Gotta get all the amusement we can during these dark times.

Speaking of gloating

Imagine that, scapegoating cultural issues onto law enforcement and demonizing them causes LEOs to leave and without police crime skyrockets.
 
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Jesus, the bias in that 'news' 'article'.
I'm not surprised you get so many TDSers like Bob.
  • Trump was acquitted :(
  • Several paragraphs of 'Trump Bad!'
  • Lots of comments of anti-Trump senators
  • finally right at the bottom closes with a couple of token comments from Trump Defenders
  • but has to get the last 'remember: Trump = Bad' in with the final line of 'remember: he's the only pres. impeached twice! (ignore that he won both impeachments pls)'
Rent-free, inside your head.

-Trump was acquitted, to the surprise of nobody
-I don't read articles from shitty sources, so can't say. ABC has never struck me as reliable, except if you're relying on FOX-tier "reporting." Welcome to the new media era, where opinions matter more than facts.
-I wouldn't call them "anti-Trump" so much as "people who are fed up with Trump being part of their party politics." It's an understandable position to hold. The man did more damage to US politics than Hillary Clinton did when she lost her emails.
-People who defend Trump have shown the tendency towards being quite incoherent. As a certain someone in this thread has already shown, their best comeback is "Libcuck." I would say they got cucked out of ever having a majority in the senate or congress for another 10 years by backing a lame horse, but that's fueling the fire. Anyways, I'm highly biased, but I can't disagree with ABC for not giving airtime to people who can't form whole sentences.
-He didn't "win" anything. An acquittal means that the senate has chosen not to go through with a trial to decide treason, or whichever charge he was facing. Given that even Mitch "my existence shames turtles" McConnell ended the day with "he's still a piece of shit, and guilty of treason, but let someone else deal with him," it stands to reason that this whole charade was just for show. More below.

And nobody was surprised he got off
A political show trial that only has half the politician's support(If they vote yes, then the rest of them are up next, so they won't) that needed 2/3rds support
All that over what is already very questionable comments that are not even near the worst we've seen during his time as president

They knew exactly what was going to happen, but now they can complain about the other side more
Basically this, but to add to it, it also put the priority of prosecution on New York and Georgia, whom have already stated they are indeed pursuing legal charges on multiple accounts, one of them being attempting to subvert the election. It should surprise nobody that, as XSI has stated, the senators who voted "no" did so to save their own necks. If they vote "yes," that leaves them prone to then being targeted as co-conspirators on sedition, among other things. Voting "no" still makes them look guilty as Hell, but at least it deflates the sails of the senators who first pushed this impeachment. I have to go with the mindset that they did indeed need the wind taken out of their sails, too. Biden's "unity" can only go through when everyone is working together, rather than going on witch hunt for people who may or may not have been co-conspirators in an attempt to overthrow democracy.

XSI does establish a good point about complaining, but also overlooks a major detail. The Republican party is currently at odds with itself. A good number of them are talking about going to a Trump-lead party. Others are talking about splitting off to do their own thing, separate of both Republican's and Trump. They're also facing scrutiny for allowing nuts like Marjory Taylor Greene to have any place in their party. Of course, it won't help the Democrat's to harp on these points or focus entirely on the flaws of the Republican's, since the country is waiting for work to get done. People aren't concerned about what dumb thing Ted Cruz recently said while they're starving and going stir crazy from being locked inside for days.

The Democrat's have a similar issue to the Republican's, too, though. Not necessarily a party mired in "swamp politics" or anything like that, but fraught with incompetence. They have to get their shit together and really start working, or this opportunity will pass them by. They have a rare opportunity to not only hold power for the next decade, but to keep the Republican's from ever having a majority. Only through careful navigation and effective leadership, as well as competent members working together will they manage any of this. That means that Pelosi and a few others either have to step in line, or step down.

many saw it coming just from Biden's UNITY.
I'm not sure what the connection between an obvious and expected result, and what is currently "pillow talk" from the current US president. Care to elaborate?
 
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I think the US dems/GOP having internal fighting like that is mostly a result of the two-party system. If Trump splits off from the GOP, then that guarantees both Trump and the GOP lose for the forseeable future as their combined voting power is just about as big as the combined US dem voting power. They would have possibly several decades in which the US dems go practically unopposed in national elections. So the only feasible option is to try to take over a party from within, as Trump has apparently tried to do(And then he just sorta stopped trying and left his supporters to themselves? He seemed to just go into a state of "Good enough for me" and then did nothing notable a few months into presidency)

It's interesting to see how several very different ideologies are practically forced to work together despite only having minimal things they agree on(Both left and right), simply because the system in place is incapable of working with more than two big parties. But at the same time it's clearly leading to very suboptimal governing
 

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I think the US dems/GOP having internal fighting like that is mostly a result of the two-party system. If Trump splits off from the GOP, then that guarantees both Trump and the GOP lose for the forseeable future as their combined voting power is just about as big as the combined US dem voting power. They would have possibly several decades in which the US dems go practically unopposed in national elections. So the only feasible option is to try to take over a party from within, as Trump has apparently tried to do(And then he just sorta stopped trying and left his supporters to themselves? He seemed to just go into a state of "Good enough for me" and then did nothing notable a few months into presidency)

It's interesting to see how several very different ideologies are practically forced to work together despite only having minimal things they agree on(Both left and right), simply because the system in place is incapable of working with more than two big parties. But at the same time it's clearly leading to very suboptimal governing
If you want to buy into conspiracies, the Russian's masterminded the entire thing and are now sitting back while the GoP tears itself apart. That is, if you want to follow that line of reasoning rather than just concluding that, as you said, a two-party system will inevitably have its in-fighting. The most important part is to wait and see what happens with the GoP.

You're not wrong on suboptimal governing. I think it goes back to the whole "using Freud to sell stuff" thing. When you have two parties with differing ideologies operating to appeal to large groups on either side, you inevitably run into this current situation, that being opposing ideologies now forced to operate for the betterment of the masses. Conflict is inevitable.

It kinda meant the DeMs wouldn't really be trying in the first place.
I disagree. I think they're trying a bit too hard and coming up short. They're focusing too much on the wrong things.
 

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I think the US dems/GOP having internal fighting like that is mostly a result of the two-party system. If Trump splits off from the GOP, then that guarantees both Trump and the GOP lose for the forseeable future as their combined voting power is just about as big as the combined US dem voting power. They would have possibly several decades in which the US dems go practically unopposed in national elections. So the only feasible option is to try to take over a party from within, as Trump has apparently tried to do(And then he just sorta stopped trying and left his supporters to themselves? He seemed to just go into a state of "Good enough for me" and then did nothing notable a few months into presidency)

It's interesting to see how several very different ideologies are practically forced to work together despite only having minimal things they agree on(Both left and right), simply because the system in place is incapable of working with more than two big parties. But at the same time it's clearly leading to very suboptimal governing
The problem is that the system wasn't designed to function this way at all. Political parties and bloated tyrannical governments have usurped informed voters and responsible communities. You can't replace core components with inferior, mismatched parts and expect it to work as intended.
 
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"Fact Check your sources"
*Recommends Wikipedia, the encyclopaedia that anyone can edit and often cites opinion pieces from new organisations which exist to sell their version of the news to their audience, as a Fact Checking resource*
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This is why I give all my focus to tentacle porn. Everyone's equally fucked in it.
 

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I remember my teachers always made sure to point out that wikipedia is not a source and any opinion pieces are not sources either
Only actual studies(or scientific articles) are sources and then we were told how to check if a study was bullshit too

I may be able to call bullshit on a lot of things, but I still can't figure out when something is satire or just incredibly dumb
 

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Wikipedia, I remember that some people were writting their opinions in/on the articles pages, instead of the discussions ones.
 

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I missed something, but...

Wikipedia has people who go through every article everyday to verify whether an entry is legitimate or not. Now, if we're going into neo-conservative "DEY TERK ER JERBS" conspiracies, sure, everything written on wikipedia is bullshit and only knowing the guy who said x is reliable. If we're going functioning individual, wikipedia is only as reliable as the citations it provides, and not diving deeper into a subject you're researching beyond the surface-level wiki article is asking to be ridiculed.

That said, if you want to cite wikipedia as anything aside a starting point, slow your role and re-assess yourself.
 

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I remember my teachers always made sure to point out that wikipedia is not a source and any opinion pieces are not sources either
Only actual studies(or scientific articles) are sources and then we were told how to check if a study was bullshit too

I may be able to call bullshit on a lot of things, but I still can't figure out when something is satire or just incredibly dumb
Wikipedia is not a reliable source. However, the links at the bottom of each wikipedia article is a great place to find good resources.
 

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Fuckin hilarious. I don't WANT to engage with intersectionality or the cesspit that's fueling it on a meaningful level because collectivisim and self determination are nonsense, but if you have to this is the best way to do it.
 
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