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    Originally posted by super_slicer View Post
    I'm an imperialist. An empire where I'm the emperor, mind you.

    I believe in extreme liberty for myself, but extreme regulation and rules for companies and the rest of the population.

    But the world isn't perfect, so I'm forced to advocate for personal freedom and heavy group along with business regulation.
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      Originally posted by Yoshiiki View Post

      R2 was a mistake. R3 is going to ruin what good will is left. Also, you apparently can't multi-quote if one of the posts is on another page.

      Also, also, Huma Abedin has apparently been forwarding her emails her husband, Anthony Weiner. Probably why they never got a divorce prior to his imprisonment...

      http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/n...230-story.html
      "Controllers, abusers, and manipulative persons don't question themselves. They don't ask themselves if the problem is them. They always say the problem is someone else." -Darlene Ouimet

      "Most people don't have the willingness to break bad habits. They have a lot of excuses and they talk like a victim."-Carlos Santana

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        Codegeass jumped the shark halfway through season one.

        First half, realistic mech battles
        Second half, 60 ton robots that dance with the power of magic!

        I'm hesitant to watch that studio's recent Patlabor-style anime for that reason.


        Originally posted by Ninja_Named_Bob View Post

        Except your stupid ass would be hauled away in cuffs and tried, instead. The government you hate so much made sure that cops couldn't go around shooting whoever because they were too stupid to read the situation.
        Simon says stay on the ground, Simon says put your hands up in the air, Simon says crawl towards me, pull up your pants - oh I didn't say Simon says blat blat blat
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          On the one hand, the cop is giving clear instructions and asserting his authority over the situation. You don't make any unnecessary movements while in custody or otherwise, and especially when a cop makes it clear not once, not twice, but three times that if you don't do exactly as told or make any unnecessary movement, you're likely getting shot. This situation, specifically, the cop was told probably an hour prior that there might be guns and the suspects might be armed. You're not gonna go gallivanting and acting like their friend or putting another officer in unnecessary danger if you've already got control over the situation. Suspect also confirmed he wasn't otherwise incapable of following orders.

          On the other hand, the cop was behaving a bit too aggressively and really didn't need to squeeze the trigger for that long. More than two bullets is too much, and he was clearly aiming to kill rather than incapacitate. It also doesn't help that they're using live rounds instead of rubber bullets. I would blame whoever said that live rounds were necessary in this situation, and the guy who put that cop in charge of the team.. That it went to trial, too, shows the oversight committee felt it might have been excessive.
          "Controllers, abusers, and manipulative persons don't question themselves. They don't ask themselves if the problem is them. They always say the problem is someone else." -Darlene Ouimet

          "Most people don't have the willingness to break bad habits. They have a lot of excuses and they talk like a victim."-Carlos Santana

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            Originally posted by Ninja_Named_Bob View Post
            On the other hand, the cop was behaving a bit too aggressively and really didn't need to squeeze the trigger for that long. More than two bullets is too much, and he was clearly aiming to kill rather than incapacitate. It also doesn't help that they're using live rounds instead of rubber bullets. I would blame whoever said that live rounds were necessary in this situation, and the guy who put that cop in charge of the team.. That it went to trial, too, shows the oversight committee felt it might have been excessive.
            Sadly, the reality of guns is that if you're going to shoot them, you're going to shoot to kill. Not only are legs, arms, etc smaller and harder targets, they also have very important arteries that will make a person bleed out and die quickly if they get hit, negating the whole point. Shooting to incapacitate is only reasonably possible in movies, or with dedicated non-lethal weaponry

            As for the ammo, we sadly do not have quick ammo switching like in some slightly more futuristic settings. If we had smartlinked guns that could choose nonlethal gel rounds instead of the very lethal rounds that are shot normally, then yeah. That makes sense to choose based on the situation. But if the cops encounter someone on cocaine and several kinds of bath salts then they're going to need those very lethal rounds because the other ones would be shrugged off, and they generally don't have the time to swap out their ammo before shit hits the fan

            But with that said, ideally they'd come in a group and bring maybe one guy with a taser for these situations. Tasers aren't amazing and 100% nonlethal either, but at least they're less lethal than a bullet
            Also cops with training would help. Aren't US cops massively undertrained?
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              Yes training, like why did he command the guy to crawl to him instead of telling him to keep his hands on his head as he went over and cuffed him?
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                I watched some anime and am 99% certain that the cop should have solved this with a trading card game.
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                  Originally posted by XSI View Post

                  Sadly, the reality of guns is that if you're going to shoot them, you're going to shoot to kill. Not only are legs, arms, etc smaller and harder targets, they also have very important arteries that will make a person bleed out and die quickly if they get hit, negating the whole point. Shooting to incapacitate is only reasonably possible in movies, or with dedicated non-lethal weaponry

                  As for the ammo, we sadly do not have quick ammo switching like in some slightly more futuristic settings. If we had smartlinked guns that could choose nonlethal gel rounds instead of the very lethal rounds that are shot normally, then yeah. That makes sense to choose based on the situation. But if the cops encounter someone on cocaine and several kinds of bath salts then they're going to need those very lethal rounds because the other ones would be shrugged off, and they generally don't have the time to swap out their ammo before shit hits the fan

                  But with that said, ideally they'd come in a group and bring maybe one guy with a taser for these situations. Tasers aren't amazing and 100% nonlethal either, but at least they're less lethal than a bullet
                  Also cops with training would help. Aren't US cops massively undertrained?
                  I can't really disagree with anything you said here. I did try to present an argument from both sides to be fair about the whole thing, but it really is one of those "no-win" situations, isn't it? Either the cop takes an unnecessary risk and lets the suspect have a couple freebies and potentially gets at least one of his squad killed, or he shoots and takes the guy out and hope you're right and be wrong, instead.

                  Originally posted by MrMe View Post
                  Yes training, like why did he command the guy to crawl to him instead of telling him to keep his hands on his head as he went over and cuffed him?
                  The suspect is scared and aside, the cop doesn't know what he's capable of. He can only assume based on the information that is available. If the suspect jumps up and takes the cop hostage via a hold of some sort, you've now not only potentially endangered yourself, but your entire squad as well. If someone else is injured or killed because you chose to be lenient, it's on you. The problem with the situation isn't so much him demanding the suspect approach in a certain way, but how trigger-happy and aggressive the cop was. A cop needs to be able to issue commands in a neutral tone and assert authority over a situation, but also not to scare the suspect to the point where they might turn hostile. De-escalation is supposed to be part of their training.

                  Like you and XSI have noted, however, training is sorrowfully lacking for cops in the US.

                  Originally posted by Pervy View Post
                  I watched some anime and am 99% certain that the cop should have solved this with a trading card game.
                  Suspect: I play Yahenni and pass.

                  Cop: I'll drop an Avenger of Zendikar with Doubling Season and Cathar's |Crusade on the board, then Green Sun's Zenith to go into Craterhoof. I'll play Beastmaster's Ascension and go to combat. 400 Saporlings, Crater hoof, and Avenger all with Tramp swinging your way.

                  Suspect: ...

                  That, or they'll play Modern and cops will just main Death's Shadow or Affinity.
                  "Controllers, abusers, and manipulative persons don't question themselves. They don't ask themselves if the problem is them. They always say the problem is someone else." -Darlene Ouimet

                  "Most people don't have the willingness to break bad habits. They have a lot of excuses and they talk like a victim."-Carlos Santana

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                    In what world do you have enough lands to cast Avenger, Doubling Season and Cathar's Crusade, then a Craterhoof without any ramp? I mean holy fuck that's more lands than most decks even have in them!

                    Also, was kind of waiting for him to shoot the other cop when he couldn't get the keycard to work... XD

                    Jokes aside, somebody's pointing a gun at you don't fuck around, it's that simple. And a quick FYI, Colt AR-15s are semi-auto... But there's a full auto rifle that's also referred to as an AR-15 so there's a slight chance that the officer decided to fire 5 individual times.
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                      Originally posted by MrMe View Post
                      Yes training, like why did he command the guy to crawl to him instead of telling him to keep his hands on his head as he went over and cuffed him?
                      Because it's so much easier to jump on someone with, let's say, a knife, while crawling. Because it's not like crawling person doesn't have both hands occupied to support some body weight. Also, if someone is crawling, then in case of another party that shows up and decides to shoot, potential suspect won't get killed.
                      That being said, let me see this video *goes to watch*
                      And to answer your question: Yeah, let's go over to him, without any knowledge if there isn't extra party in the room he got out of, that can jump out and shoot us.
                      14:15 - "Are you both drunk?" "No" and "No" which obviously was a lie and already says a lot. Who knows how it would go if they said the truth?
                      16:43 - I am shocked he didn't shoot him at this very moment... dude put his hands behind his back and he could have pulled a gun out and shoot.
                      17:00 - See what's going on? Dude for unknown reason put his hand behind his back. Exact same risk like in 16:43, but this time followed with a response.

                      It's such easy to judge, but just look and listen how the cop acts and to his voice, he is nervous as his own life may be on the line, he gives too much slack and bam, he is dead.
                      For a viewer, this situation will be much more emotional due to victim sobbing and begging to not shoot him. But this doesn't mean anything, we know it wasn't acting, but that cop at the very moment couldn't have known. He was trained to react to certain types of movements and he did.

                      As I said before, there are always bad apples in every place, even police force. But judging whole group by actions of few is stupid. Most people that are against cops, either met with such bad apple, were in situation they didn't understand or are just young, emotional and very revolutionary (fight the system!) without understanding on how it all works. By same logic, we should treat today's Germany as 4th Reich and it's citizens as nazis... Which is just pure stupidity.

                      I am not going to say that this could have been handled better, because every single time AFTER the event we realize it could have been handled better. No shit, Sherlock.
                      I am also not going to say he did the right thing, because in my personal opinion, he didn't, but... it was his decision and the way he handled this situation. He should be judged solely on that. Judging whole police force over those actions and deciding they are all like that? Ridicules. It may be a case to study and learn from it to tailor appropriate actions for such cases in the future, assuming it can be done without putting police officers under extra risk (Whaaa? They do stuff in a way so they aren't killed? Whaaaaaaaaaat?! I know, fucking surprising, ain't it?).

                      In the end, this police officer will be judged, he killed a man. I do believe that he may need a longer break from work and some help from a specialist.
                      Always think what you would do in such case: You are called because you got informed that there is an armed guy, he acts weird, your life is on the line. You don't know if he is reaching for a gun and if he is, you may get killed.
                      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfi3Ndh3n-g
                      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bANG61j_EmU
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                        Originally posted by super_slicer View Post
                        In what world do you have enough lands to cast Avenger, Doubling Season and Cathar's Crusade, then a Craterhoof without any ramp? I mean holy fuck that's more lands than most decks even have in them!
                        EDH/Commander, buddy. You obviously have Cathar's Crusade/Doubling Season up the turn prior, and then push with Avenger/Hoof on the follow-up. If we were talking a modern deck, you'd just shit out elves all day or drain your own life for a 10/10 Death's Shadow.

                        Jokes aside, somebody's pointing a gun at you don't fuck around, it's that simple. And a quick FYI, Colt AR-15s are semi-auto... But there's a full auto rifle that's also referred to as an AR-15 so there's a slight chance that the officer decided to fire 5 individual times.
                        Pretty sure semi-auto only has a 3-round burst, doesn't it? That was clearly 5 rounds, so he was probably squeezing with moderate discretion.

                        Originally posted by Yoshiiki View Post
                        -snip-
                        Basically, what Yoshiiki said. I did overlook the whole "easier to deal with variables if they're at a lower stance" thing, so I'll admit missing it.

                        -reasonable blurb
                        Also, this. As much as I have to disagree and felt the cop was being too aggressive, etc, it's hard to fully judge a situation from an outsider's perspective. That said, the purpose of an oversight committee is usually to determine if someone in an organization acted in a way that was detrimental to the organization as a whole. They're not always present (if ever) in these kinds of situations, so they have to take testimonies, read statements, and come to a decision based on what evidence is available. They felt there was sufficient cause for him to be tried, so I have to trust that they were acting with objective reasoning and proper judgment. On the other hand, recent events with the FBI shows even the guys meant to keep law enforcement from fucking up aren't infallible, either. It's a mixed bag, and while I disagree with Yoshiiki's justifications on the cops behavior, I have to agree that, not being in that situation and experiencing it myself, I can't properly judge the cop. I can only offer a biased opinion on the matter.

                        -Snip of awesome reasoning-.
                        At the end of the day, you're right that all we can do is say "next time" and hope there isn't a "next time." It also comes down to training, which police do lack at times. The cop was properly trained, yes, but clearly still influenced by emotion. He's thinking if he fucks up, him and his entire squad are dead and the suspect is turned loose in a building full of civilians. Do I think the cop was being a bit too aggressive? Yes. Do I think he fired too many rounds? Yes. But, do I disagree that shooting the suspect was the wrong decision? Not really. As you've already pointed out, the cop was being clear with his instructions and gave the suspect multiple opportunities (more than he should have) to cooperate. The suspect fucked up multiple times. The cop is already on edge without unnecessarily risking his life and the lives of his squad. You either shoot, or get shot. All other choices become irrelevant in that situation, and saying "well, but..." after the fact is meaningless. He made a judgment call, and while I am opposed to his handling of the situation, I won't dispute the conclusion he arrived at.

                        In the end, this police officer will be judged, he killed a man. I do believe that he may need a longer break from work and some help from a specialist.
                        Always think what you would do in such case: You are called because you got informed that there is an armed guy, he acts weird, your life is on the line. You don't know if he is reaching for a gun and if he is, you may get killed.
                        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfi3Ndh3n-g
                        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bANG61j_EmU
                        He was tried and found not guilty by a jury. Take from that what you will. Also, that video was definitely an eye-opener. In an odd, well-meaning show of honesty, CNN undergoes a similar experience.

                        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bANG61j_EmU



                        "Controllers, abusers, and manipulative persons don't question themselves. They don't ask themselves if the problem is them. They always say the problem is someone else." -Darlene Ouimet

                        "Most people don't have the willingness to break bad habits. They have a lot of excuses and they talk like a victim."-Carlos Santana

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                          Originally posted by super_slicer View Post
                          In what world do you have enough lands to cast Avenger, Doubling Season and Cathar's Crusade, then a Craterhoof without any ramp? I mean holy fuck that's more lands than most decks even have in them!
                          just have a mana reflection in play or rites in play.
                          That said, if it's so late in the game and since our opponents colors nail them down on something without viable counterspell the appropriate response is pretty easy actually.:

                          'Alright, finally you drop all your creatures, was waiting for that, Winding canyons into massacre wurm gg no re.'
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                            Jesus christ multi-quote's a shit now innit?

                            Originally posted by Ninja_Named_Bob View Post

                            EDH/Commander, buddy. You obviously have Cathar's Crusade/Doubling Season up the turn prior, and then push with Avenger/Hoof on the follow-up. If we were talking a modern deck, you'd just shit out elves all day or drain your own life for a 10/10 Death's Shadow.
                            That's not the sequence of events you described. And no, nobody in commander is letting you keep a doubling season on the board unless they're priming you for a wipe.

                            Originally posted by Ninja_Named_Bob View Post
                            Pretty sure semi-auto only has a 3-round burst, doesn't it? That was clearly 5 rounds, so he was probably squeezing with moderate discretion.
                            You've been grossly misinformed, semi-automatic firearms only fire once for every pull of the trigger.



                            Originally posted by Pervy View Post

                            just have a mana reflection in play or rites in play.
                            That said, if it's so late in the game and since our opponents colors nail them down on something without viable counterspell the appropriate response is pretty easy actually.:

                            'Alright, finally you drop all your creatures, was waiting for that, Winding canyons into massacre wurm gg no re.'
                            Doubling season and Cathar's Crusade nullify the -2/-2 massacre wurm gives (it's not doubled since it isn't counters). The proper response is to wipe, preferably with an artifact you have in play such as Nevinyrral's Disk or Perilous Vault. Sure whatever you've got on the board is gone too but you've taken out Doubling Season (Crusade's a problem too, but late game EDH players are going for big creatures not a mob of small ones).

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                              Putting discussion aside to post news...

                              http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-accusers.html

                              Apparently, a Clinton backer paid women during the election to accuse Trump of having sexually-assaulted them, which the MSM in turn reported. So, if nothing else, it really should activate your almonds about sexual assault allegations, that being to confirm it's true rather than assuming. I'm not saying all allegations or false or the victims shouldn't be believed, but to simply approach it as you would any other accusation, that being with a heavy dose of skepticism and desire to get all the facts before arriving at a decision.


                              Originally posted by super_slicer View Post
                              That's not the sequence of events you described. And no, nobody in commander is letting you keep a doubling season on the board unless they're priming you for a wipe.
                              Most people have spent the game countering the other, more pressing threats to realize what you're capable of. With prior experience, sure, they'll hold up counters to stop you from going off. Problem is, if you've got Doubling Season and Cathar's up, there's the chance you're not just throwing them down for setup and have a way of keeping at least one of them around. Your opponent has to play with the assumptions that 1) You're going to protect them, or 2) they can politics your ass into not killing them that turn. Then again, if you've got both DS and CC up, the table is getting their shit slapped, anyways.

                              Originally posted by super_slicer View Post
                              You've been grossly misinformed, semi-automatic firearms only fire once for every pull of the trigger.
                              So I have.

                              Originally posted by super_slicer View Post
                              Doubling season and Cathar's Crusade nullify the -2/-2 massacre wurm gives (it's not doubled since it isn't counters). The proper response is to wipe, preferably with an artifact you have in play such as Nevinyrral's Disk or Perilous Vault. Sure whatever you've got on the board is gone too but you've taken out Doubling Season (Crusade's a problem too, but late game EDH players are going for big creatures not a mob of small ones).
                              Really depends on the deck, hombre. On the one hand, DS is generally a better target to hit regardless of what might come next. Cathar's Crusade, however, can get out of hand in something like Tribal Cats, Ghaive, etc basically anything that puts tons of bodies on the board without much effort. I would rather have Aura Shards and something to flash in if I see a DS entering play than risk my own board on the hopes that maybe I'll survive another turn.

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                                Originally posted by super_slicer View Post
                                Doubling season and Cathar's Crusade nullify the -2/-2 massacre wurm gives (it's not doubled since it isn't counters). The proper response is to wipe, preferably with an artifact you have in play such as Nevinyrral's Disk or Perilous Vault. Sure whatever you've got on the board is gone too but you've taken out Doubling Season (Crusade's a problem too, but late game EDH players are going for big creatures not a mob of small ones).
                                Damn Slicer, why you keep doing this to yourself.:

                                Cathars crusade has a triggered ability to which you can respond at instant speed thanks to winding canyons. Obviously you stack it in response to all the crusade triggers, as the creatures all enter the game at the same time and Massacre wurms ability resolves first it triggers and the opponent loses 4x lands they control life on an avenger of zendikar/doubling season in play, at the very least 24 in most green decks, considering we get a beastmasters and an AoZ drop in one turn we're looking at a life-loss of 36, lethal to anything non heavy on white(or rarely black) even in lategame edh.
                                After all the creatures died you can go wild with the crusade triggers from the stack.

                                That said, if I see a doubling season, that has to go ASAP, just in case there's a walker drop coming. Creatures you can handle in various ways by comparison.
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