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[XSI]

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*Sigh* No peace on earth, no goodwill towards men. This may very well be France's 9/11 at this rate.

No source I can give, but I've been told that

1. Martial law has been declared to fix this
2. France(And Belgium) immediately closed their borders

Bit late for that by now

 

[MrMe]

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I hope most of the people that died were the ones that'd call you racist for daring to criticize Islam, but that'll probably not be the case.

 

[Cappy]

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Salon.com had this to say, "Real terror unfolds in Paris, perhaps this will convince the Right to tone down their incessant violent rhetoric."

Literally supporting terrorists over your fellow citizens, my word. This literally makes me want to throw up, have these authoritarian pieces of shit no shame or self-awareness? And allow me to translate that for you in terms that are more appropriate for reality.

"Savages who couldn't adjust to a new culture, or who slipped in with the mass of refugees finally attacked today. I hope that convinces everyone with a set of metaphoric balls to neuter themselves and accept the coming jihad genocide without resistance or complaint. Otherwise you're racist."

 

[Hopeyouguess62]

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As with any real-life news of import when it hits the internet, opinions vary widely. ISIS claimed responsibility for the attack, but there are also those that blame the refugees. There are even those who blame the current French administration.

I feel that this is perhaps a step in the wrong direction.

Could France have been more prepared? Perhaps. It's no secret that while the US is often accused of spending too much on its military, continental Europe perhaps spends too little. They don't want warfare--they want to use economic tools to keep peace and prosperity in their time. As a strategist I shake my head, but as a human being, I admire the sentiment behind the decision.

Some have laid this at the feet of the Syrian refugees--and to be sure, that may have played a major part in allowing these attacks to occur. If that's the case, then these attacks are all the more cowardly, because to me France is guilty of nothing more than trying to be a generous host, to take care of those in need.

In the immediate aftermath of 9/11, the French publication Le Monde (the world) had a front page editorial with the headline, "Nous sommes tous Américains" (we are all Americans). I cannot speak for my country, but it is my fervent hope that we will have the courage and integrity to finally respond, "Nous sommes tous Parisiens."

 

[fagballs]

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France is guilty of nothing more than trying to be a generous host, to take care of those in need.

Maybe you should go on a walk through the slums of Paris. Generous host indeed. Stuff like the 2005 Paris riots have their reason. In the 10 years that passed, the only evolution is military equipment for the rioters and religious extremism replacing anger in general.

As a strategist I shake my head

Who is going to attack us? Our American allies? The Russians with their 10000 nuclear warheads? Because those are the only countries able to even dent Europe.

 

[Hopeyouguess62]

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Maybe you should go on a walk through the slums of Paris. Generous host indeed. Stuff like the 2005 Paris riots have their reason. In the 10 years that passed, the only evolution is military equipment for the rioters and religious extremism replacing anger in general.

I admit, I have not been to Paris since 1999, and I do not go out of my way to visit the slums of major cities. Am I to take it, then, that you frequent the Parisian slums, and you believe that this violence is in some way deserved?

 

[XSI]

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As with any real-life news of import when it hits the internet, opinions vary widely. ISIS claimed responsibility for the attack, but there are also those that blame the refugees. There are even those who blame the current French administration.

I feel that this is perhaps a step in the wrong direction.

Could France have been more prepared? Perhaps. It's no secret that while the US is often accused of spending too much on its military, continental Europe perhaps spends too little. They don't want warfare--they want to use economic tools to keep peace and prosperity in their time. As a strategist I shake my head, but as a human being, I admire the sentiment behind the decision.

Some have laid this at the feet of the Syrian refugees--and to be sure, that may have played a major part in allowing these attacks to occur. If that's the case, then these attacks are all the more cowardly, because to me France is guilty of nothing more than trying to be a generous host, to take care of those in need.

In the immediate aftermath of 9/11, the French publication Le Monde (the world) had a front page editorial with the headline, "Nous sommes tous Américains" (we are all Americans). I cannot speak for my country, but it is my fervent hope that we will have the courage and integrity to finally respond, "Nous sommes tous Parisiens."

First off, ISIS has flat out said about a year ago that they were planning things like this specifically by slipping their soldiers into Europe along with the refugees. Nothing happened then with politicians refusing to believe it and those who warned for it being put away as far-right racist lunatics, and what happened in Paris is the price for that. There are a few people who have said that they deliberately are cruel and chase people away so that they can hide their soldiers in the flow of refugees and infiltrate what they see as 'the enemy'.

It's quite awful, but at the time the people in charge of western governments refused to listen to the warnings.

As for responding to it, I've heard -rumours- that this has made Russia ask Europe if they want in on bombing and removing ISIS. A bit more active. Not entirely sure on the source of those, but still.

As for Paris, it's always been a dump outside of a few careful kept tourist areas. They've had a massive integration problem for decades now. Taking in even more foreigners is not going to help them and will likely make Paris and other big cities No-go zones for natives even more than they already are. France, and the rest of Europe simply can not hold more people without incredibly tensions, the refugees really need to leave again once Syria is becomes safe and stable again. But of course if the statistics of refugees before this massive immigration wave stay true then only a few of them actually will

 

[Hopeyouguess62]

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First off, ISIS has flat out said about a year ago that they were planning things like this specifically by slipping their soldiers into Europe along with the refugees. Nothing happened then with politicians refusing to believe it and those who warned for it being put away as far-right racist lunatics, and what happened in Paris is the price for that. There are a few people who have said that they deliberately are cruel and chase people away so that they can hide their soldiers in the flow of refugees and infiltrate what they see as 'the enemy'.

It's quite awful, but at the time the people in charge of western governments refused to listen to the warnings.

As for responding to it, I've heard -rumours- that this has made Russia ask Europe if they want in on bombing and removing ISIS. A bit more active. Not entirely sure on the source of those, but still.

As for Paris, it's always been a dump outside of a few careful kept tourist areas. They've had a massive integration problem for decades now. Taking in even more foreigners is not going to help them and will likely make Paris and other big cities No-go zones for natives even more than they already are. France, and the rest of Europe simply can not hold more people without incredibly tensions, the refugees really need to leave again once Syria is becomes safe and stable again. But of course if the statistics of refugees before this massive immigration wave stay true then only a few of them actually will

I still don't think taking in the refugees was a terrible decision. When opposing forces fight (in this case, let's call them Western governments and ISIS), it's generally the people in the middle (Syrian refugees) who suffer the most. The same could be said about Ukraine, a place that has always suffered for straddling the line between Eastern and Western Europe. In the French-Algerian War, it was the moderate Algerians who ended up taking most of the punishment.

I'll grant that permitting them to take refuge in Europe was certainly a risky move, but I still think it was a good thing to do--even if it ended up biting the French last night.

Again, I can't speak for the state of Paris--I haven't been there in fifteen years, and I wasn't hanging out in the slums (though I seriously doubt that anyone on this forum spends a lot of time hanging out in the slums of Paris).

 

[XSI]

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Agreed really. Actual refugees need a place to stay, and any good country should help them with that

Problem is when people who are not refugees start using the goodwill and help and generally are selfish or flat out hostile. They abuse that trust, and need to be filtered out

On the bright side, Dutch muslim oganisations are saying they strongly disapprove of the attacks in Paris, and disagree with them. Pretty strong condemnation

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So there is that. Not all muslims agree with it. Seems to be just ISIS being shits and not speaking for all muslims.

 

[MrMe]

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What I don't get it, isn't France (along with the UK and USA) one of the countries thats against Assad and is actively funding and supplying terrorist groups like ISIS and ISIL in their attempts to overthrow Assad?

Whats in it for ISIS to bite the hand that feeds them?

 

[Hentaispider]

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What I don't get it, isn't France (along with the UK and USA) one of the countries thats against Assad and is actively funding and supplying terrorist groups like ISIS and ISIL in their attempts to overthrow Assad?

Whats in it for ISIS to bite the hand that feeds them?

Technically, the coalition is only supporting the OTHER, "moderate" rebel groups trying to overthrow Assad while also fighting against ISIS.

 

[fagballs]

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I admit, I have not been to Paris since 1999, and I do not go out of my way to visit the slums of major cities. Am I to take it, then, that you frequent the Parisian slums, and you believe that this violence is in some way deserved?

I visited certain poor parts of Paris in 2008. What I saw there was similar to favelas, but organized in older and large buildings. I specifically remember a building housing 500 people, while it was originally built for ~60. I can only imagine that it got even worse with the economic crisis, more immigration, war/revolutions in the former French colonies, ...

This kind of violence is never deserved, but it's not something out of the blue, which is what I'm pointing at.

 

[YAD]

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Well. Daesh claims responsability for Paris attack against perverse spot like stadium, concert hall, bar ...

They don't care about immigrant's social status. They juste want to nuke all thinks linked to democracy to legitimate themselves at home.

 

[Crawdaddy]

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Does anyone here actually know if the perpetrators of the terror attacks in France came to Europe as refugees? Because if not, this is just idle speculation, which serves little practical purpose.

I still don't think taking in the refugees was a terrible decision. When opposing forces fight (in this case, let's call them Western governments and ISIS), it's generally the people in the middle (Syrian refugees) who suffer the most. The same could be said about Ukraine, a place that has always suffered for straddling the line between Eastern and Western Europe. In the French-Algerian War, it was the moderate Algerians who ended up taking most of the punishment.

Technically, this isn't something you can choose, as all European nations are bound by the UN Declaration on the Rights of Refugees. What you can do of course, is send away people that the immigration agency has decided isn't a valid refugee (a process that can take an inordinately long time, unfortunately, and often carries a degree of personal judgment to it.)

I have to be honest, this hits a LOT of communism red flags, as the communists of the past would ALWAYS use desperate, poor and uneducated masses as shock troops to take over places all over the world! many western university students are becoming hostile, militant and ORGANIZED, often by 'professors' guiding them!

Communism?

I can't even

 

[XSI]

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Does anyone here actually know if the perpetrators of the terror attacks in France came to Europe as refugees? Because if not, this is just idle speculation, which serves little practical purpose.

Confirmed by Greece, they were registered on one of their islands

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[MrMe]

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Technically, this isn't something you can choose, as all European nations are bound by the UN Declaration on the Rights of Refugees. What you can do of course, is send away people that the immigration agency has decided isn't a valid refugee (a process that can take an inordinately long time, unfortunately, and often carries a degree of personal judgment to it.)

Technically they can be refused because that UN declaration states that refugees must seek refuge in the first safe country they enter, after that they're just economic migrants.

 

[Cappy]

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Most "refugees" pass through an inordinate amount of countries in order to get to the UK, Sweden, or Germany. If you go out of your way to go to the richest countries rather than stop where it's safe you're really just a selfish parasite.

 

[Cappy]

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Communism?

I can't even

The progressive agenda has a lot in common with communism. They want everyone to listen and follow suite, to accept statutes of minimal privacy, they literally oppose freedom of speech directly, not even just "problematic" speech anymore just anyone who dares to have the audacity to not immediately fall in line... With an economic collapse, and with rich people already oppressing the poor more or less (Big surprise that most extreme progressivists are rich as shit), and the economic system planned not even being one that has any aims of benefiting the poor... It's rigged up to be a movement even worse than communism in it's original aim.

Marxism has been the cause of the worst authoritative regimes and have almost always ended in the suffering of innumerable innocents. But instead of shouting that you're a communist, a fascist, or whatever, they just call you racist and sexist if you dare to fall out of line. People who catch on to the movement get labeled conspiracy theorists, which is, fucking funny, because it actually is a set of people of similarly agenda'd groups working conspiring together. Yeah, it's a conspiracy theory, because it's a theory about a conspiracy. That doesn't make it wrong fucknuts. Gravity is also a theory, and we're all on the same page about that shit aren't we?

 

[Ryka]

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Killing to deliver a message is a bullshit reason. Humans are like the rest of the animals. Have enough blood on your taste and you become a predator. A killer without a mind. This "al-quaeda" has no agenda anymore. They're not making a stance. They're not "communists". They're a group of people too far gone to care one way or the other.

They shed too much blood to grasp the meaning of sense.

 

[MrMe]

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They have a purpose in their madness, its to martyr their lives in the pursuit of eliminating the infidel, just as the good prophet said between raping Jewish slaves and having sex with his child bride.

They're not just killing for the sake of killing, they're killing for a purpose.
It might be a really fucked up purpose but its a purpose none the less - and that's the really fucking scary thing about Islamic fundamentalists.


Some lone nutter going on a killing spree because he thought god told him to?
Atleast the effects of that are limited to just the actions of that one crazy person, and isn't likely to have repeats because its going to require someone else's brain to be fucked up in the same way.

But an organisation of savages?
No thats far far worse, these people are sane evil bastards that manipulate others to do their will, and the only thing they require for that is ignorance - and there's a lot of ignorant cunts in the world, especially in uneducated goat herder land.

What you need to remember is that these people actually genuinely still believe their magical skyman is real and that his mouth pieces are correct in their teaches about how their's is superior and how the other must be either enslaved or destroyed.