[ ぽに犬 ] Way'' RJ123273

[enkephalin07]

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My lowest power hero is a 204 mercenary, and more effective than heroes 100+ higher, both on expedition and in Arena. Wielding Notos probably helps a lot; it's very effective for the power level, and because it's the only one I've ever found, I wouldn't be able to replace her.

The Black Bowman I use to bring up the rear and hunt is 238 pow with Murgleis, 3/6/7, and has been durable enough to survive through difficulty 360. He also does well in the Arena, and makes a lot of good magic swords with Semirama. And babies; for awhile after breaking the dark elf curse, she wouldn't stop getting pregnant. I wonder how high affection has to get for a Village Guard to elope with a slave?

I tried making an empty trade file with Haro, and found an Xmas artifact waiting for me and sold it to the trader. So if I get nothing but Avaris repeatedly I'll know it half-worked.

 

[Harleyquin13]

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Artifacts give extra skills to heroes along with a bonus to the raw stats. If you found a good artifact that gives lots of skills or good defensive/offensive ones, it's small wonder even middling heroes become strong enough to punch above their weight.

238 WITH an artifact?! A bit of a shame since 黒の射手 is tough to get and probably interesting with a higher power rating. I'm willing to bet those stats came from 2 balanced girls + Yeadow.

The "curse" bit that occasionally pops up with Semirama and Ninya is per coupling. According to the lore, all dark elves were cursed to not bear children which translates in-game to higher pregnancy resistance. If you're like me and can break the contraception barrier with just one ejaculation, then regardless of hero used getting the girls pregnant is just a matter of how much sperm you pump in and your luck (if you use the 命中率 scroll it's even easier to impregnate girls).

If you want your heroes to successfully propose to girls they've picked up and kept at their homes, you'll want 2-3 of the items you pick up when questing. You already know this from the wiki, but best chances are with the wedding dress items represented with different elements.

Since you already have the Black Archer, do you get a heart mark when you couple with Semirama? I've found some classes are guaranteed to get the coupling mark regardless of performance whilst others don't. For me, I prefer using a Nazgul to mate with Semirama. The Black Archer I summoned from the quest does very well with Ninya though.

 

[enkephalin07]

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I've got one at 310 pow now, without artifact because I'm holding out for a suitable one for him. The one with low power was created that way by design, and I recommend the class if you need low power support.

If you want your heroes to successfully propose to girls they've picked up and kept at their homes, you'll want 2-3 of the items you pick up when questing. You already know this from the wiki, but best chances are with the wedding dress items represented with different elements.

I know how to propose to girls picked up from outside the Harem, but is it possible for a Village guard to bring home a slave who's become his lover, and then propose to her? He still doesn't get the coupling effect, but he's still working on her lover gauge; the Man with No Name left a high mark to surpass.

Swapping in the trade file worked; I haven't seen Avaris but I am getting regular drops, including new artifacts, at more level-appropriate difficulties rather than, say, getting Excalibur at the end of 20 runs.
EDIT: Just found Avaris. I think what happened is that end-run drops do a % check for every item in the trade file, and if the store was packed then it's statistically improbable not to get something from it. Having Angellic luck might have something to do with it, too.

 

[Harleyquin13]

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The problem is, I don't use your english patch so I have trouble connecting the dots between the names you've picked and their actual Japanese names (unless it's something really obvious like the Archer classes etc.)

All I know is, if you can house them in a hero's dwelling it should be possible to propose to them.The only exception I could think of is the girls from the brothel who can be had for an upkeep cost of 5.

Even with my copied trade.sav file from the initial version, I got more or less the same artifacts every time I finish one of the expedition runs. The only time I got something new was from sacrificing animals at the altar for strong heroes.

 

[enkephalin07]

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'名も無き男' literally means 'The Man with No Name', and the spelling isn't used to refer to anything but Shadow Heroes (影英雄) inside the Harem.

In the process of getting Semirama to open up to the Village Guard, my Shadow Heros cranked her Love and Slave gauges pretty high, so even if she becomes a guard's lover, she still has her love gauge maxed by 'The Man with No Name, so that's who she would become exclusive to as her lover.

That's the mark my Bowman would have to beat, probably with lots of dedicated titfucking, before she would really be his lover. I still don't know if it's possible, but now he has a decorated mansion with an empty room ready for her.

I have gotten Avaris at the end of quests a couple times, at a pretty high frequency but at least it's not all the time.

 

[Harleyquin13]

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'名も無き男' literally means 'The Man with No Name', and the spelling isn't used to refer to anything but Shadow Heroes (影英雄) inside the Harem.

In the process of getting Semirama to open up to the Village Guard, my Shadow Heros cranked her Love and Slave gauges pretty high, so even if she becomes a guard's lover, she still has her love gauge maxed by 'The Man with No Name, so that's who she would become exclusive to as her lover.

That's the mark my Bowman would have to beat, probably with lots of dedicated titfucking, before she would really be his lover. I still don't know if it's possible, but now he has a decorated mansion with an empty room ready for her.

I have gotten Avaris at the end of quests a couple times, at a pretty high frequency but at least it's not all the time.

Apologies for not being more specific, but what I meant in my 2nd-to-last post was that some of the names you've mentioned in this thread don't ring a bell to me. Hence I have no idea what "Village Guard" refers to since its corresponding Japanese name doesn't spring to mind.

You're misunderstanding how the coupling system works (or I'm the one mistaken). As I see it, girls with low/medium faithfulness have different rates of coupling depending on the hero involved. The reason why the shadow heroes are so high is because they have 4 hero items which raise happiness in their inventory (you can see them in the right-hand corner). I've checked my roster, my shadow hero (regardless of class) has the big heart for many of the girls but my own created heroes aren't far behind depending on their class and the items I picked up during expeditions.

Granted, over the course of the game certain heroes are going to set high scores in "lover" and "sex slave" ratings. I don't see why that should preclude your hero of choice from surpassing those scores with the right equipment and hero items in the hero dwelling.

Just in case you weren't aware, the only girls who can occupy hero dwellings are the custom-made ones (either those which came with the game or others you made yourself). The default harem (Mariel, Yeadow, Haine, Semirama, Serica and Ninya) will not join your heroes in their homes.

It looks like the type of artifacts one gets depends on the trade.sav file. The author's default one comes with roughly 4-5 artifacts which crop up more or less every time an expedition of sufficiently high level is successfully completed. Since you played Haro enough to get the elite artifacts, you have an edge over almost every other player who didn't show the same level of dedication. My recourse is to play "summon the hero" in quest mode and hope for the best.

 

[enkephalin07]

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Apologies for not being more specific, but what I meant in my 2nd-to-last post was that some of the names you've mentioned in this thread don't ring a bell to me. Hence I have no idea what "Village Guard" refers to since its corresponding Japanese name doesn't spring to mind.

Oh, I'm sorry, it's not actually a term the original or my translation uses, I just use it here to refer to Marielle's unit, since they're the guards of the village and get to breed.

You're misunderstanding how the coupling system works (or I'm the one mistaken). As I see it, girls with low/medium faithfulness have different rates of coupling depending on the hero involved. The reason why the shadow heroes are so high is because they have 4 hero items which raise happiness in their inventory (you can see them in the right-hand corner). I've checked my roster, my shadow hero (regardless of class) has the big heart for many of the girls but my own created heroes aren't far behind depending on their class and the items I picked up during expeditions.

Granted, over the course of the game certain heroes are going to set high scores in "lover" and "sex slave" ratings. I don't see why that should preclude your hero of choice from surpassing those scores with the right equipment and hero items in the hero dwelling.

Hm. This guard could probably get a marriage proposal accepted with the mansion and furniture he has, and that furniture also shows up on her harem page, so it should mod her happiness. Her affection is high enough to give him 3 extra cards during the fast game.

Also, right after the guard cracked the top of her love gauge, I saw the 'woman's scent' tag appear at the difficulty 20 route. There are only 2 unclaimed Extra Chars who I've confirmed are at difficulty 40 and 160, and I've never seen this tag here before. Now I've sent him down it repeatedly, using Maud and Marielle to search, both before and after the village, both aiding and raiding, and still haven't found this woman.

Since you played Haro enough to get the elite artifacts, you have an edge over almost every other player who didn't show the same level of dedication. My recourse is to play "summon the hero" in quest mode and hope for the best.

Heh, when ponidog announced Way2 and said Haro's grandchildren file could be ported into it, I played the hell out of it while waiting for Way2. If he ever implements that, I'll have a bunch of lvl 6(5) babies with nice stats and spells ready.

Btw; for anyone who's interested, I've

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[Harleyquin13]

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Bar the latest alpha patch which introduced one custom bride from one of the guest illustrators, all of the custom girls can be bought out with onigiri which saves you time and effort having to hunt them down and then defeating the guards before a hero can claim his prize. Just check the harem settings page and buy what you need. If you're diligent with the onigiri generation and have plenty of luck with the girls already present, getting the required silver and gold onigiri is not hard.

According to the manual, successfully proposing to the girls brings about various support benefits for the hero during expeditions. Warrior brides fight alongside their husbands while non-combatants prepare bento boxes which help to heal their husbands on the field. Either way, clearing the toughest dungeons probably requires heroes who have hitched up with the custom girls, powerful artifacts on hand, a good set of skills and high stats.

Village guard = Marielle's patrol squad. By the way, the members accompanying Alec and the other 3 captains are also village guards.

When I played Haro, I got the impression that it was the artifacts that carried over and not the descendants. Either way, the developer is clever in convincing veteran players to continue with Haro in order to unearth better artifacts for extraction in Way".

 

[enkephalin07]

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What? Buy them? Slavers don't buy girls, they capture them! I don't mind humiliating Rose's guards, Chiroru is an easy capture, I'm not really interested in keeping whores, and the other one whose name I forget was so uninteresting that I deleted her.

So I only have 4 extra chars, Roze and Chiroru are claimed by Heroes, the other two are available at the Inn if I feel like like renting them, and those are the ones who show up at 40 and 160. Who would be at 20? I've run that course many times before without seeing that tag, and it can't just be coincidence that it only showed up after Seikron topped Semirama's love list.

 

[Harleyquin13]

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What? Buy them? Slavers don't buy girls, they capture them! I don't mind humiliating Rose's guards, Chiroru is an easy capture, I'm not really interested in keeping whores, and the other one whose name I forget was so uninteresting that I deleted her.

So I only have 4 extra chars, Roze and Chiroru are claimed by Heroes, the other two are available at the Inn if I feel like like renting them, and those are the ones who show up at 40 and 160. Who would be at 20? I've run that course many times before without seeing that tag, and it can't just be coincidence that it only showed up after Seikron topped Semirama's love list.

Regardless of what you think, the full roster of custom brides is there for all to see. Last I checked, the developer did not set any restriction on custom brides. ALL of them can either be obtained through questing or through onigiri purchase. Since you've got 4 of them, the odd one out is the mystery one you're attempting to track down. Chances are it's either Sophie, Monaca or Maple (I bought Caramel on a whim, her contract with the hero is -5 upkeep and it's a whore contract so...).

Another possibility could be the new custom bride introduced in the alpha patch 1.51. The dialogue box you're using might well be a placeholder for the new girls.

 

[enkephalin07]

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Regardless of what you think, the full roster of custom brides is there for all to see. Last I checked, the developer did not set any restriction on custom brides. ALL of them can either be obtained through questing or through onigiri purchase. Since you've got 4 of them, the odd one out is the mystery one you're attempting to track down. Chances are it's either Sophie, Monaca or Maple (I bought Caramel on a whim, her contract with the hero is -5 upkeep and it's a whore contract so...).

Another possibility could be the new custom bride introduced in the alpha patch 1.51. The dialogue box you're using might well be a placeholder for the new girls.

I haven't upgraded to 1.51 and I haven't made any code changes to the version I'm editing. All I've changed are strings, but I can view all the code, and I've been skimming it to figure out what I might change in the future, but nothing is revised. There is no Sophie, Monaca or Maple, there isn't even a Clarabel or Arujyu, two girls who do have code in here that has been dummied out.

So no placeholder implementation where none has been in my entire time gaming experience could have spontaneously developed.

Btw, I'm guessing Arujyu is the girl with the white braid who appears on the Red Bonus image, she also has a few images buried in the .ald files that aren't ever displayed in game.There's an incomplete ero scene with her written and coded, but the function is never called. I gather she's an executive officer who reports to Selion (Serion?) in the Harem, and he makes occasional use of her.

EDIT: I just cobbled together a quick Extra Char. She came in at 180 difficulty, but the one at 20 disappeared. After removing her and reloading, the tag is off 180 but back on 20. Tried removing all other characters, and no placeholders were generated for them, but the one at 20 remained. Like I said before, I've run that expedition many times, and it may have the [treasure] tag when I was holding a map, but never the [woman] tag.

 

[Harleyquin13]

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I haven't upgraded to 1.51 and I haven't made any code changes to the version I'm editing. All I've changed are strings, but I can view all the code, and I've been skimming it to figure out what I might change in the future, but nothing is revised. There is no Sophie, Monaca or Maple, there isn't even a Clarabel or Arujyu, two girls who do have code in here that has been dummied out.

So no placeholder implementation where none has been in my entire time gaming experience could have spontaneously developed.

Btw, I'm guessing Arujyu is the girl with the white braid who appears on the Red Bonus image, she also has a few images buried in the .ald files that aren't ever displayed in game.There's an incomplete ero scene with her written and coded, but the function is never called. I gather she's an executive officer who reports to Selion (Serion?) in the Harem, and he makes occasional use of her.

I didn't quite understand what you wrote there, but if you can view the code then you should see all of the names of the custom girls and their data. I'm romanizing the names as best as I can, but if you refer to the following pictures:

Harem Girls From left: Sophie, Monaca, Rose, Maple,
2nd page: Caramel, Chirol

I bought out Caramel on a whim, the other 3 were secured the regular way. If I could be bothered to buy out Sophie and Monaca, it would simply be a matter of interacting with a dialog box and then assigning the purchased girl to the hero of my choice.

1.51 and an older version (1.46?) are exclusive to DLsite because 2 guest illustrators put up their contributions which Ponidog accepted and incorporated into his work. If you've been mucking about with the code, perhaps that's why there are two dummy items in the list.

 

[enkephalin07]

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I said hadn't mucked with the code yet, but I have skimmed through it, especially now to figure how items and girls are selected for dungeons, and why this tag would appear now. There's so much redundant code and needless complexity that ponidog may trying to obfuscate his code, or he's self-taught and didn't have a good teacher. For example, initializing a variable to 0, then sending it to another function that, before any other operation, also sets it to zero, then uses that in operations he passes back in a different variable. Also, he never uses constant variables, he types out his constants every time, so there's no identifier as to the significance of those constants, plus it's highly error prone; must've been a bitch to debug.

From what I can see, there's no code that reserves empty slots for anyone, it simply checks for whether there's an icon_1 in the folder. Doesn't matter whose extra char it is, either it has the icon or it doesn't, and Monica and Maple don't because I deleted them long ago.

I cobbled together a Koamuma image-mined from sankakucomplex. Touhou girls are perfect to make chars out of because there are loads and loads of doujinshi H-images that can't be commercially licensed, plus the personalities have been left deliberately vague enough that fandom can fill in their own for it. I wouldn't distribute them without getting permission from the artists and crediting them for the work, though.

EDIT: Alright, I see what happened. I followed some of the Extra Char walkthrough tutorial then deleted the folder when I was done, but apparently that doesn't restore the lock token that's on every empty slot, so there was a slot reserved. It's odd because I can remove any of the other chars' folders and their slots are automatically locked.

 

[Vaman]

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enkephalin07 just wanted to let you know that your patch has already been taken down by MF. Also is it possible anyone can help me with finding a download for this game? Been searching myself but I have been unsuccessfull in my search.

 

[Harleyquin13]

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I said hadn't mucked with the code yet, but I have skimmed through it, especially now to figure how items and girls are selected for dungeons, and why this tag would appear now. There's so much redundant code and needless complexity that ponidog may trying to obfuscate his code, or he's self-taught and didn't have a good teacher. For example, initializing a variable to 0, then sending it to another function that, before any other operation, also sets it to zero, then uses that in operations he passes back in a different variable. Also, he never uses constant variables, he types out his constants every time, so there's no identifier as to the significance of those constants, plus it's highly error prone; must've been a bitch to debug.

From what I can see, there's no code that reserves empty slots for anyone, it simply checks for whether there's an icon_1 in the folder. Doesn't matter whose extra char it is, either it has the icon or it doesn't, and Monica and Maple don't because I deleted them long ago.

I cobbled together a Koamuma image-mined from sankakucomplex. Touhou girls are perfect to make chars out of because there are loads and loads of doujinshi H-images that can't be commercially licensed, plus the personalities have been left deliberately vague enough that fandom can fill in their own for it. I wouldn't distribute them without getting permission from the artists and crediting them for the work, though.

EDIT: Alright, I see what happened. I followed some of the Extra Char walkthrough tutorial then deleted the folder when I was done, but apparently that doesn't restore the lock token that's on every empty slot, so there was a slot reserved. It's odd because I can remove any of the other chars' folders and their slots are automatically locked.

Ponidog is self-taught. If you read his author's note on Haro's production (now removed from the latest version) he went through hell trying to program the game to its final form. Way" uses the same game engine as Haro (so you can't run both games together simultaneously) but is a lot more complex.

If you've deleted the extra characters that were originally bundled with the game, I'm not surprised that causes problems with the game engine trying to introduce new brides when the data for them isn't there. Since you've deleted Monica and Maple from your folder entirely, the flags set for the characters are likely to be activated only if you reintroduce new characters to take their place.

I don't have your technical expertise, all I do is play this game and figure things out either from the manual, the wiki or through actual gaming experience. You've admitted yourself you deleted some of the original data, so barring any custom brides of your own the game engine is more or less messed up trying to introduce something that has no corresponding data.

Original version: 6 custom brides.
DLsite/DMM extras: 2 guest illustrators and their work. Ponidog likely patched these in so that they can be bought out the same way as the other 6 were using onigiri.
"Mystery" brides: Not happening, no data on the wiki regarding hidden extras and the players who maintain that website have more hours and a better understanding of game mechanics than both of us.

My progress so far: I'm missing the Highlander, Assassin, 水晶眼, 聖騎士, 武術家 and 魔術師 classes in my roster. The hardest class to acquire by far is 水晶眼, it's virtually impossible to generate a good specimen with 安定 artifacts because of the elements involved so careful planning with a normal artifact and some luck with the random elements during the finish phase is essential if one wants a decent character to play with.

I'm still no closer to creating 400 power characters to challenge the high-level dungeons, best I've managed is 320 raw with 2 top-level skills and 1 mid-level skill.

I've looked up a little more info regarding artifacts. Essentially the only way to get new artifacts in the game is to generate new trade.sav files from Haro and importing them into the corresponding Way" folder (or making extensive use of the quest mode altar). Ponidog strongly discourages public sharing of trade.sav files containing ****-grade artifacts so whatever was in the trade.sav file in Haro turns up often enough during expeditions if multiple copies are needed.

 

[enkephalin07]

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enkephalin07 just wanted to let you know that your patch has already been taken down by MF. Also is it possible anyone can help me with finding a download for this game? Been searching myself but I have been unsuccessfull in my search.

It's working for me, I just dloaded it from links here and at Hongfire. As for where to get the game, try Anime-Sharing forum or Sukebei NyaaTorrents. You could also open a request thread for it.

I've never found a decent talisman with stability on it, not even worth keeping as a backup. If I have to go through that same elemental tangle that Haro put me through every single time I try to make a sword, then I'm just going to give that a rest. That was my least favorite mechanic. Instead I'm trying for a virgin birth to see what it does in this game; I recall from Haro they had some unique specials and artifact effects.

So far I've taken up to 440 difficulty, and that left everyone dead except the last. It was a Highlander, who was durable enough before he got an Aegis Shield, the Gladiator with Excalibur, and the Celestial Heir with +44 Mask of Wisdom. She's the lowest power out of all of them, yet when the 467-power Gladiator was missing 2/3 of his attacks and the Highlander was missing almost all, she never missed a single attack, and she was the sole survivor.

I still haven't figured out Yeadow; every time I think I have, I go through a string of failures. She should be the go-to girl for blue, but breaking her limit is so tricky I end up getting it from Ninya, who usually crystallizes her class for me.

 

[Harleyquin13]

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It's working for me, I just dloaded it from links here and at Hongfire. As for where to get the game, try Anime-Sharing forum or Sukebei NyaaTorrents. You could also open a request thread for it.

I've never found a decent talisman with stability on it, not even worth keeping as a backup. If I have to go through that same elemental tangle that Haro put me through every single time I try to make a sword, then I'm just going to give that a rest. That was my least favorite mechanic. Instead I'm trying for a virgin birth to see what it does in this game; I recall from Haro they had some unique specials and artifact effects.

So far I've taken up to 440 difficulty, and that left everyone dead except the last. It was a Highlander, who was durable enough before he got an Aegis Shield, the Gladiator with Excalibur, and the Celestial Heir with +44 Mask of Wisdom. She's the lowest power out of all of them, yet when the 467-power Gladiator was missing 2/3 of his attacks and the Highlander was missing almost all, she never missed a single attack, and she was the sole survivor.

I still haven't figured out Yeadow; every time I think I have, I go through a string of failures. She should be the go-to girl for blue, but breaking her limit is so tricky I end up getting it from Ninya, who usually crystallizes her class for me.

Virgin births don't mean anything in this game, the only difference is that virgins apply different elements during ejaculation so getting classes like 水晶眼 is easier if you get lucky with coupling and the crystals. If you don't believe me, check the wiki. If anything, virgin births hurt you since you get no sun crystals or special tiles for the virgin girl's red zones and need to rely on the other 2 to compensate.

Don't forget to spend onigiri at the shop. I'm almost certain that the ecstasy score determines the type of skills granted to the created hero so the sky's the limit. Sealing in all 3 elemental spirits which crop up is a must as well for good special moves and skills.

Considering your artifacts seriously outclass mine, I'm surprised you haven't cleared Gehenna by now. If you have ****-grade artifacts, the only thing missing from your portfolio is a decent class, support from custom brides and a strong set of skills.

I made a black archer like you recommended. Compared to the silver archer he's better when used for breeding but slightly worse off in the field (-2 to green but the same red and blue stats). If I'm making weak characters focused on gathering 名誉 and 略奪 for the girls, I'll stick to the Nazgul,勇者 and 魔眼 classes.

Yeadow is guaranteed a heart mark each time, what makes her tricky is her resistance to final climax and the lack of 調教 points for the maximum 3 red slots she has. Items that work well with Yeadow would have e.g. 6/3 肉棒, at least 6-8 points for red 調教 preferably 10 and possibly 露出狂 to make it easier to get her to climax rather than gambling on getting the right hands. It's tough getting her pregnant, so a large element of luck is needed regarding the bonus hands from ejaculation. On average, I have to redo her runs 2-3 times before I get a decent outcome. Refer to the table in the wiki for her just-fit combinations for the red zones, otherwise it's almost impossible to get the 10 sun crystal minimum for skills.

If you're challenging the higher-level dungeons, my advice is to play with Mariel and 2 other balance characters. The +1 boost to combat is well worth the -1 penalty to farming especially at higher levels. Ideally the strongest girls in the arena and the high level dungeons would consist of Mariel + Semirama + 1 other balanced girl to decide class if necessary. Semirama is the only girl in the default harem to offer all 3 support elements so getting her to the top of the pile with Mariel in tow is worth consideration.

 

[enkephalin07]

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Virgin births don't mean anything in this game, the only difference is that virgins apply different elements during ejaculation so getting classes like 水晶眼 is easier if you get lucky with coupling and the crystals. If you don't believe me, check the wiki. If anything, virgin births hurt you since you get no sun crystals or special tiles for the virgin girl's red zones and need to rely on the other 2 to compensate.

Don't forget to spend onigiri at the shop. I'm almost certain that the ecstasy score determines the type of skills granted to the created hero so the sky's the limit. Sealing in all 3 elemental spirits which crop up is a must as well for good special moves and skills.

Considering your artifacts seriously outclass mine, I'm surprised you haven't cleared Gehenna by now. If you have ****-grade artifacts, the only thing missing from your portfolio is a decent class, support from custom brides and a strong set of skills.

I made a black archer like you recommended. Compared to the silver archer he's better when used for breeding but slightly worse off in the field (-2 to green but the same red and blue stats). If I'm making weak characters focused on gathering 名誉 and 略奪 for the girls, I'll stick to the Nazgul,勇者 and 魔眼 classes.

Yeadow is guaranteed a heart mark each time, what makes her tricky is her resistance to final climax and the lack of 調教 points for the maximum 3 red slots she has. Items that work well with Yeadow would have e.g. 6/3 肉棒, at least 6-8 points for red 調教 preferably 10 and possibly 露出狂 to make it easier to get her to climax rather than gambling on getting the right hands. It's tough getting her pregnant, so a large element of luck is needed regarding the bonus hands from ejaculation. On average, I have to redo her runs 2-3 times before I get a decent outcome. Refer to the table in the wiki for her just-fit combinations for the red zones, otherwise it's almost impossible to get the 10 sun crystal minimum for skills.

If you're challenging the higher-level dungeons, my advice is to play with Mariel and 2 other balance characters. The +1 boost to combat is well worth the -1 penalty to farming especially at higher levels. Ideally the strongest girls in the arena and the high level dungeons would consist of Mariel + Semirama + 1 other balanced girl to decide class if necessary. Semirama is the only girl in the default harem to offer all 3 support elements so getting her to the top of the pile with Mariel in tow is worth consideration.

Hm, the [Fastidious] property is probably making Yeadow more difficult. I've only got her to 'pusharu' once since switching to this talisman, but she jumped over 1k points when she finally broke through. My talisman adds breakpoints, but also adds a point of inhibition to pussy and anal, which may not be a significant amount to anyone else but her.

If the only skill that can't be maxed with a virgin birth is Omusubi, I'm not sure that's a loss; so far nothing has convinced me of its value. Of course the rare times that skill turns out to be awesome are the times I haven't maxxed it, but lvl 5 iai and fireproof are probably better than lvl 10 Omusubi anyway.

I do use the shop, it's probably why Marielle is always good for the top scores and skills. I always use her Unit to develop new characters, and when I come back she's loaded with fame and loot. I really have no shortage of onigiri, especially with Semirama's semen extraction trait in all zones -- it takes so long to bathe it out of her I have to refill my drink and maybe get a book to read. I just wish I could get the coupling effect from her, because she's reliable for getting me the class I want, but not always the skillset and levels, and she comes in ~300 under Marielle's score.

 

[Harleyquin13]

Re: [新作]Way2

Hm, the [Fastidious] property is probably making Yeadow more difficult. I've only got her to 'pusharu' once since switching to this talisman, but she jumped over 1k points when she finally broke through. My talisman adds breakpoints, but also adds a point of inhibition to pussy and anal, which may not be a significant amount to anyone else but her.

If the only skill that can't be maxed with a virgin birth is Omusubi, I'm not sure that's a loss; so far nothing has convinced me of its value. Of course the rare times that skill turns out to be awesome are the times I haven't maxxed it, but lvl 5 iai and fireproof are probably better than lvl 10 Omusubi anyway.

I do use the shop, it's probably why Marielle is always good for the top scores and skills. I always use her Unit to develop new characters, and when I come back she's loaded with fame and loot. I really have no shortage of onigiri, especially with Semirama's semen extraction trait in all zones -- it takes so long to bathe it out of her I have to refill my drink and maybe get a book to read. I just wish I could get the coupling effect from her, because she's reliable for getting me the class I want, but not always the skillset and levels, and she comes in ~300 under Marielle's score.

As I mentioned before, おむすび and 乾し肉 are useless placeholder skills. They are most common in heroes created from just one bride. Once you incorporate a second or third girl into the calculations, it's very likely that the skill is changed to one of the compound skills like 修羅、羅刹 and the like. Since I started using two girls for creating new classes, I've consistently obtained 修羅 for the 1st skill which is a damn sight better than the two placeholders.

潔癖症 is only good if you're REALLY good at getting the hands required to get a high ecstasy score. Frankly I'm not surprised you're getting no luck with Yeadow with that artifact equipped, unless you get the hands necessary to turn on the lights there's no way a climax is possible. You might find it easier if the 性癖 selection has at least two out of the 3 requirements (赤、青、動物).

Since you're diligent at bathing all semen out of Semirama, doesn't the final result have at least 2 hearts where the semen count for green would be? If it is, then you definitely have a coupling effect even if it doesn't show on the hero creation screen. Otherwise Semirama as the 2nd girl wouldn't allow you to select the class she ended up with unless you also finished with 2 jewels.

Skillset for the balanced girls is really down to your use of 調教 points, your equipment and a bit of luck. If your equipment characteristics have bonuses to 手札 and 場札 in some areas, getting the 10 stones required shouldn't be an issue. The type of skills obtained depend on the number of elemental spirits you seal as well as the number of special tiles you impregnate the girl with to a lesser extent. Having a high ecstasy score helps a little.

The problem with Mariel is she's the exact opposite to Yeadow. When I make characters with her I struggle to get level 10 on the 3rd skill, that one hasn't been a placeholder for me for ages now so it's annoying when I get a semi-decent mid-level skill but only level 6-7 to show for it.

If you don't mind, I'd like a look at the stats for the party which completed the 440 difficulty dungeon you spoke about. Considering how much effort you've put into the game already, you should be leagues ahead of everyone else who isn't fully proficient in Japanese.

Edit: I had a look at your Hongfire gallery. Seriously impressed you managed to upgrade an item all the way to +30 without it frying and without the use of reload ala Haro. Still it's a shame you're using an item with 潔癖症 if you're not consistently getting the lights for each area lit up. I'm using a +8 item right now but it's still good enough to get roughly 2000 ecstasy scores despite possessing the 露出狂 attribute. Frankly with the item you're using I'm even more surprised you're not consistently getting 300 rating heroes with a set of skills to match.

 

[enkephalin07]

Re: [新作]Way2

As I mentioned before, おむすび and 乾し肉 are useless placeholder skills. They are most common in heroes created from just one bride. Once you incorporate a second or third girl into the calculations, it's very likely that the skill is changed to one of the compound skills like 修羅、羅刹 and the like. Since I started using two girls for creating new classes, I've consistently obtained 修羅 for the 1st skill which is a damn sight better than the two placeholders.

潔癖症 is only good if you're REALLY good at getting the hands required to get a high ecstasy score. Frankly I'm not surprised you're getting no luck with Yeadow with that artifact equipped, unless you get the hands necessary to turn on the lights there's no way a climax is possible. You might find it easier if the 性癖 selection has at least two out of the 3 requirements (赤、青、動物).

Since you're diligent at bathing all semen out of Semirama, doesn't the final result have at least 2 hearts where the semen count for green would be? If it is, then you definitely have a coupling effect even if it doesn't show on the hero creation screen. Otherwise Semirama as the 2nd girl wouldn't allow you to select the class she ended up with unless you also finished with 2 jewels.

Skillset for the balanced girls is really down to your use of 調教 points, your equipment and a bit of luck. If your equipment characteristics have bonuses to 手札 and 場札 in some areas, getting the 10 stones required shouldn't be an issue. The type of skills obtained depend on the number of elemental spirits you seal as well as the number of special tiles you impregnate the girl with to a lesser extent. Having a high ecstasy score helps a little.

The problem with Mariel is she's the exact opposite to Yeadow. When I make characters with her I struggle to get level 10 on the 3rd skill, that one hasn't been a placeholder for me for ages now so it's annoying when I get a semi-decent mid-level skill but only level 6-7 to show for it.

If you don't mind, I'd like a look at the stats for the party which completed the 440 difficulty dungeon you spoke about. Considering how much effort you've put into the game already, you should be leagues ahead of everyone else who isn't fully proficient in Japanese.

What's a breakpoint?

BreakP is what I translated 調教 as when I misunderstood what it did. It's still fitting with sex slaves, not as much lovers.

I always use three girls unless I'm deliberately creating a lower power sword for support. I don't use Marielle for those since she's guaranteed to amp the power level. I've gotten max skills with her reliably often, sometimes it takes a second attempt, but when I don't use her I'm more likely to see a useful skill in the 1st slot, so I get a lot more effectiveness for the power level. Is that coincidence, or am I doing something wrong with Marielle that I don't know about?

Semirama does have a heart over her service zone, but I've never seen it next to her high score, and I can't retain the class she creates when someone else (Marielle) scores over her.

Here's the talisman I use (ponidog was wise to cap enchants at +30):

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Does the weapon at the bottom only apply during Quests, or globally? If it's not used in the Harem, I at least have the +2 Table for all zones. The BreakP and +Energy are enough to flip 10 panels before the last checkpoint. Occasionally they can be done as early as the second, as long as I force-ejac every 2-3 rounds. If I screw up, the Cooking helps make up the difference, otherwise it helps magnify the boost from the final checkpoints.

I think I'll change [Fastidious] to [Uptight], it's shorter and has all the connotations of the original Japanese.

Here's the party I used for 440:

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Fia doesn't have any spectacular defense skills, yet before she got Aegis Shield, she strolled through 300 difficulty with two heros who couldn't do a single thing. Really, all they did was leave tiles of failure behind then die while aiding the village, but Fia was probably around half her health when she cleared it. Goma with Excalibur has excellent damage, but as leader he can't soak the damage to make the final tiles to the village at 440 difficulty. Freya is reliable for high damage output; I wouldn't call her a glass cannon, but 320+ difficulty is beyond her ability to take lead and survive. She was supposed to be a support character, but her red is still higher and green and blue lower than I would've liked. The bowman with 3/6/7 is much closer to what I was getting at. Between them, their damage output and effectiveness per power doesn't support any connection between red and combat ability.