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Diego

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I am almost too scared to ask, but what do you folks consider to be "strong" NTR?
Strong NTR needs a proper build up, where the roles of A and B as the initial couple are clearly defined.

Plus points if there are parts of the story:

...showing how A and B properly developed feelings for each other.
...introducing C, who clearly wants to steal B from A.
...where A and B try to overcome a challenge together, which could be orchestrated by C or needs C's participation.
...where B starts to trust C or C manages to find ways to interact with B.
...where B starts to distance herself/himself from A. C spends time with B.
...where A doesn't trust C/B and tries to save the relationship.
...where B questions staying with A. A's efforts are not enough but still thinks there is hope for their relationship.
...where B starts to actively seek and prioritize C over B.
...where B no longer is interested with A or is forced to stay with C.
...where C and B reveal their relationship to A. A ultimately despairs.

Minus points if any of the previous developments are not properly handled or are skipped completely. For example :
C stealing B without any effort.
Most H mangas and doujins go this route with the "my current mate doesn´t properly satisfy me so I sleep with the first person I meet" which is basically cheating.

A doing nothing to stop C's efforts.
Another common route, in this case A just simply doesn't do anything, hoping the situation will be fixed by itself.
The end result depends of perspective but basically:
-The player identifies with A, interested in the feeling of despair upon the realization of losing B.
-The player identifies with B, interested in enjoying B's transformation or suffering.
-The player identifies with C, interested in feeling superior upon achieving what was intended.
-The player identifies with nobody, an spectator who was merely interested in the schadenfreude.
 

GOR

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BTW, if the girl's mind is broken too fast at the beginning of the game, that's just count as "cheating", not NTR.

Finally, playing NTR games with female POV is the most turn-off thing I've ever done and I will never try those again. *Look at circle Gyu and other circles that like to realease NTRRPG games with female POV*

NTR imouto Misaki by Acerola is the only one I've played and I still haven't touch any game like that since then.

But it's just me who feel like that and I have no intention of offending other people since everyone has their own fetish.

NOW, Back to VALKYRIA, I will wait until night crawling events implemented and replay. Lurker mode: activated!
 

Animefan_09

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Since the theme is around i want to say that in RPG games that have ntr i really dislike the common lose=ntr kind of games, i liked Shadowcore because the best ntr was without losing all the time (i am talking about Brad xD), not saying all of them are bad, and the scenes thenselves could be good, but if its liek that i just feel liek the game is wasted as an rpg; it would be great if a game shows up where to defeat certain bosses we have 2 options: an easy obvious 1 that leads to ntr and a hidden one that is either harder, requires you to explore, or soemthing else that leads to defeat the boss. Like you need an spell for a boss you can a) go to the shady mage to get him to teach you for a price or something, and b)go to a quest/dungeon where we find a tome or something for it. It would be great and it would be fun since its basically saying to the player "you want happy ending? then go grind and work for it!!" xD
 

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yeah, the priest will give you an orb that you need to put on the altar
OHHH ok, you don't mean the church priest or the guy who gives you holy water do you? cuz ive talked to both of them already.
 

jusaname

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OHHH ok, you don't mean the church priest or the guy who gives you holy water do you? cuz ive talked to both of them already.
it's the church priest, but you need to reach a certain rank its kinda high 7 or 8+ and accept the quest in knights guild then proceed to priest.
ps: IIRC
 

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it's the church priest, but you need to reach a certain rank its kinda high 7 or 8+ and accept the quest in knights guild then proceed to priest.
ps: IIRC
oh ok, i get it. That must be something different than what im doing, cuz all im trying to do is beat the rank 4 main quest, and im hella stuck
 

jusaname

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oh ok, i get it. That must be something different than what im doing, cuz all im trying to do is beat the rank 4 main quest, and im hella stuck
The quest is at the bee house west of santoria which has become a labyrinth. If you are relying on physical damage, you need to craft weapons with name [BW] at the workshop to be able to hit it(the boss of labyrinth). Otherwise, fire spells deal pretty much good damage.
 

tatski31

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in game- 1)any event with grandmother+granddaughter in shop? 1 time i can enter without elf,nothing changes- grandmother burn ass thief...
2)port qwest -find 3 /if lose without elf and speak in bar =qwest failed/thiefs run with girl sell her brothel-nothing more ?
sry 4 my english
 

dark1193

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so far, what are your thoughts on this game? is it good?
 

Evil987

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so far, what are your thoughts on this game? is it good?
So far, it's okay, but it comes with an annoying thought in the back of your mind whispering "This isn't even version 1.00 yet"
this^
and now repeat that in your mind every 10 filler quest.

I have no doubt, too many (text/flavour/status) variation for the same event have created an enormous amount of work, that he could use to create simply more event with more quality. there is also a very distinct difference from the prologue and the real game, like he have completely change direction when he was make the game.

still, despite the irritating filler content, the missing content, the unfinished content and the changed content, it's a decent game.
it could have been REALLY GOOD, but for now it's only decent.
 

Orion9137

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I've just decided that Shadowcore was a fluke.

I don't know what he was going for in Valkyria but the core structure of the game (ranking up + doing meaningless quests) just doesn't seem to work. Without bad ends around every corner there is no tension and without that tension I just don't feel what I felt with SC.
 

Zetra

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I've just decided that Shadowcore was a fluke.

I don't know what he was going for in Valkyria but the core structure of the game (ranking up + doing meaningless quests) just doesn't seem to work. Without bad ends around every corner there is no tension and without that tension I just don't feel what I felt with SC.
Ok it will appear like i'm trying to "protect" shadow garden for what they did with Valkyria but honestly it ins't it.
First of all, yes it was a strike of Luck above everything else but also it was common sense, a thing that Shadow Garden dind't had while making Valkyria, that being said it is a very ambitious game to make. In one hand it has hours of content and grind RPG Wise in the other hand if has more than 20 sexual content it was a lot! At the same time we must renember that shadowcore also dind't had the amount of content when first released, yes it had some, but they were all pontual. I can't take out of my head that: Valkyria was an excellent game, if it was released with the story completed, and then focus on the bonus content. Shadow Garden basically just got ahead of himself and put a lot of effort (very welcome effort but even so very much wasted) on the non sexual (NTR, Consensual wathever) of the game, but instead a high ammount of normal quests that don't aggregate on nothing!

So yeah, putting in an nutshell what i am trying to say: The game is not all that bad, is plainly visible that he is incomplete, lots of content that gets you nowhere, but still playable, still being updated and still having some consume and info being told about it.
 

Icehaku

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Fewer bad ends are better. You want the NTR to develop over the course of the game, not have it be multiple one and done scenes.
 

Orion9137

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Fewer bad ends are better. You want the NTR to develop over the course of the game, not have it be multiple one and done scenes.
But has there been any NTR developing over the course of the game? The only long term planners are the commander and your rival, both are only at the "muhaha, I'll have you eventually Philia!" stage even at rank 9.

Meanwhile Philia is already a total slut who sleeps with everyone BUT those who are aiming for her. So far the only long term guy who has had any action is the hunter who has that sub-ending flag.

I've said it before and I'll say it again: without a Brad this game just can't get in the same hits Shadowcore could.
 

weirdfrank

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Yay I updated my translation WiP, now working on version 0.90.2 which I think is the most updated version on sukebei feel free to bitch about how little I translated, maybe that'll motivate me more :v
 

Animefan_09

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Yay I updated my translation WiP, now working on version 0.90.2 which I think is the most updated version on sukebei feel free to bitch about how little I translated, maybe that'll motivate me more :v
Translate moarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr, i am just wating for this xD
 

Umero

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What kind of NTR does this have and how does it compare to Shadowcore? I prefer the kind of NTR where the guy is oblivious and the girl slowly gives into the pleasure and starts doing more explicit things with the MC nearby like RJ241553. Everything else I find too depressing. People are saying this NTR is pretty "weak" though so it might be my kind of thing.
 

Evil987

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What kind of NTR does this have and how does it compare to Shadowcore? I prefer the kind of NTR where the guy is oblivious and the girl slowly gives into the pleasure and starts doing more explicit things with the MC nearby like RJ241553. Everything else I find too depressing. People are saying this NTR is pretty "weak" though so it might be my kind of thing.
well, the problem is.. the supposed real ntr events route never really start in the game. the main villain will repeat again and again, trough the whole game, that the blonde girl will be his slave etcc but he don't never touch her. never.
the red hair girl have a "unique" event (without cg and even without sprite! tecnically, just only text) and after that... nothing.

the H-stuff and the actual ntr content is all only inside the quest system.

for now the ntr content is kinda weak and light, no real depressing stuff here yet so u can play it safely.
dev can add ntr stuff to both story progression (and endings), further expedition and other guild quest, but for now there is only suppositions.

quality of ntr is kinda different with the previous work. we dont have a villain (or a evil companion like brad) that activley try to steal the girl, but only a bunch of non related quest with h-content and some isolated events with some good ntr feeling. apart from that, nothing.
 

Umero

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well, the problem is.. the supposed real ntr events route never really start in the game. the main villain will repeat again and again, trough the whole game, that the blonde girl will be his slave etcc but he don't never touch her. never.
the red hair girl have a "unique" event (without cg and even without sprite! tecnically, just only text) and after that... nothing.

the H-stuff and the actual ntr content is all only inside the quest system.

for now the ntr content is kinda weak and light, no real depressing stuff here yet so u can play it safely.
dev can add ntr stuff to both story progression (and endings), further expedition and other guild quest, but for now there is only suppositions.

quality of ntr is kinda different with the previous work. we dont have a villain (or a evil companion like brad) that activley try to steal the girl, but only a bunch of non related quest with h-content and some isolated events with some good ntr feeling. apart from that, nothing.
Is the MC oblivious to the to the cheating throughout the entire game in Shadowcore?
 
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