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Article 17 (ex 13) has been approved! Goodbye free internet!


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Black day for internet freedom!
Today the digital single market copyright directive has been approved, including link-tax and upload-filters.
The European Union has brazenly and maliciously ignored more than 5 million signatures, more than 300 thousand people who have protested civilly.
The EU has offended all of us citizens by calling us: bots, mods, bought, that we work with OTTs, etc ...
THIS IS A LACK OF RESPECT!
Between 20 or 30 days it will become official with the arrival of the European egret, after which the Member States will have 2 years to convert into law (2021).
BUT DO NOT GET OUT OF THINGS, WE DO NOT FORGET, WE DO NOT FORGIVE, WE WILL NOT HAVE DETAIL.
EU see you on MAY 26th!
 

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The EU was a failure from the start. Better to leave it altogether than to go down with this shoddily built ship.
I hope enough people agree with me.
 
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Piracy will NOT stop with this s**t, on the contrary it will encourage it even more!
It will destroy WE independent creatives, because they know that pirates do not stop with all the laws, but at least they want the money of OTTs and of us little creators and users, in short, the weakest part!
I NOW RISK THE A**, it is true that we would never be responsible for what we upload, but rightly give the direct responsibility to the great platforms, they will put themselves in the defensive, that is to not accept anything from the users or independent creators!
Ex-ante-DMCA F**k! A filter that decides what to post or not for you, WELCOME IN 1984!
What do you think about the EU and neo-liberalism?
GO THROUGH THE BLOOD OF THE HEART, YOU AND ALL YOUR BREEDS OF S**T!
 

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Can't wait for 2021 just to see that people will straight up start shutting down services for Europe. I really hope it'll be so, just that they learn the lesson of how impactful this is. When european politicians, stars and regular people stop being able to use social media, youtube and such, they'll see how much of a mistake this was.

I'm a southern European and I think this is the most ridiculous law in this century. I live in a country that isn't in the EU yet, and probably won't enter either. Fuck the EU and any lawmakers/voters that think this is a good law. Worst thing is, this was decided by a parliament full of boomers that have absolutely 0 idea how the internet works (except those that voted against the law), and most of those voting for the law, are Germans.

Sad to see that the public couldn't do anything about this, so much petitions, protests and nothing was achieved. This isn't making laws, it's straight up fascism
 
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If they think it will end like this, the Eurocratic mistresses are very wrong!
The European elections are close, we are organizing heavy protests (I know they are useless, but we might as well do so).
Whatever country you come from, tell your government NOT TO JOIN THE EU!
And I hope my country takes the example of Great Britain, because my country was STRICTLY criticized! Ah, and he voted against this s**t.

However, the petition is still valid.
They told me that it does not end here, and they will do everything to abolish it (difficult, but now we have nothing to lose).

 

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Please don't confuse fighting against the EU and fighting against biased copyright laws.

The real problem is not diplomacy and how the EU pressure its members. Actually, the pressure doesn't come from countries, but from companies.
Just like the US made a very poor decision about net neutrality because of its domestic internet provider influence (i-e received taxes and bribes), the EU made a very poor decision about copyright because of its domestic Media companies.
All the major internet companies are in favor of user liberty, unfortunately they are also American and generates little money in Europe, so European countries are compelled not to listen to them.
I believe your country do have Media companies so don't expect to be freed from stupid copyright laws the moment as you free yourself from the EU.
Of course, you can always lean towards foreign interests, and borrow some Google/US influence but I also believe that's not very nationalist.

The real problem is that the citizen opinion accounts for nothing and that only the US built something worth protecting from copyright laws. (change.org is also American BTW).
 
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Are you saying I have to give up, and let those bastards of the majors, editorials and corrupt politicians, do what they want?
NEVER!
The European people will NOT ACCEPT this b******t!
This time, THEY PASSED THE LIMIT!

You can call me crazy or it will be a lost war, but we won't give up!

Americans lack only the Senate vote to restore Net Neutrality, after so many protests.
Well the European people will be our war for free internet!

It is not against the EU, but against those bastards who have come to terms with big companies!

It is true that the lobbies have money, but we will NOT STOP IT!
 

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Please don't confuse fighting against the EU and fighting against biased copyright laws.

The real problem is not diplomacy and how the EU pressure its members. Actually, the pressure doesn't come from countries, but from companies.
Just like the US made a very poor decision about net neutrality because of its domestic internet provider influence (i-e received taxes and bribes), the EU made a very poor decision about copyright because of its domestic Media companies.
All the major internet companies are in favor of user liberty, unfortunately they are also American and generates little money in Europe, so European countries are compelled not to listen to them.
I believe your country do have Media companies so don't expect to be freed from stupid copyright laws the moment as you free yourself from the EU.
Of course, you can always lean towards foreign interests, and borrow some Google/US influence but I also believe that's not very nationalist.

The real problem is that the citizen opinion accounts for nothing and that only the US built something worth protecting from copyright laws. (change.org is also American BTW).
This may have been pushed by media companies, but they don't make these laws.
Companies may have certain wishes, but that does not mean they are above the government. It's all crooked.
 

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What the EU did was indeed a jerk move, but it was predictable.
The government is above private companies. However, companies can try to control the flow of information, back their arguments with the revenues they inject into the economy, and establish personal relationships with politicians. When the citizens safety and income aren't affected and other tax revenues aren't jeopardized they often just succeed. Politicians have a country to rule so they can't just say no to obvious benefits and choose a path of unknown profits and foreseeable troubles just because it's the right thing according to the majority of internet users.

It does feel like a lost battle. There's very little hope left.

However, politicians tend to listen to the people before they are elected even if they become deaf after. Thus if a candidate comes with a viable strategy to counter the companies that will be actively planning against them, they might change the game. They would necessarily have to bring the country some benefit. Popularity doesn't count and it only helps them get elected: it doesn't bring money during their mandate so there is no reason to actually stay true to the election pledge.

That candidate could propose something like the Russian model: pirate friendly. It gets the country an edge on knowledge (scihub...) and brings talented individuals but it goes against most right holders.
They could make something akin to the Chinese model: protectionist, allowing piracy on foreign works while protecting domestic works but it would piss off foreign diplomats.
They could adopt the US model and make profitable companies or at least encourage those companies to move in but they would most likely bring in foreign influence.
There may be other working models that I'm not aware of and I might have inaccurately described some of the strategies above but I think that's about it.

I too hope people still have some shame seeing the Internet being trampled by private interests and that both factions can agree for once. The anti-EU faction doesn't have to be the one backing that hypothetical candidate because the shit hit the fan after a EU decision. The pro-EU doesn't have to be the one that oppose him--especially when even pro-EU politicians don't obey each and every EU decision.

If someone do go against the copyright laws then I hope they come with a solid strategy to smack it so hard it won't come out again. Ideally their proposition on the topic of copyrights will come with guarantees it is followed by acts. I believe profit just happens to be the best guarantee. I also wish they come with a plan to bring back some democracy against lobbies but I'm sure that one wish is just a pipe dream.
 
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Ah! Democracy, f*****g it!
You would say plutocracy even technocracy, THESE FATHERS, and for 20 years they have been ignoring the will of the people, not only for copyrights, but for everything to get some extra money from the lobby.
If people TODAY more than half are blame populists and the EU, not ours.
Unfortunately you're right about one thing who has money can do everything, even things against humanity, to say.
I remember a girl who had been sick for a long time, BUT WITH TWO BIG B**L, she organized a protest against climate change, but guess what they answered? Silence, an encrypted silence that means "GO TO MAKE IN THE A**, YOUNG GIRL!"

F**K EU and UN!!
F**K everyone!!!
 
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Poland denounces the European Union to the European Court of Justice for violating human rights on the Digital Single Market Copyright Directive.
If he were to accept the request, this s**t could be canceled, but will they make it by 2021? (the date that will enter official).
 

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Hopefully. The EU elections were the usual mess as well, so it's safe to say the EU is fully aware that they're not doing anything popular
 
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Sorry, I know it has nothing to do with the directive, but since I created this post as the subject of "censorship", I heard that in the UK this month they propose two absurd laws:
- New rules for accessing new sites like RedTube and PornHub;
- And a law called "Paper Hammer" something like that.
At the last point, at least, are British citizens protesting?
Because in my opinion IT WOULD BE WORTHY of article 13 or 17 call it what the f**k you think.
In any case, it's a finger in the a**!
 
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