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In other words, is there a simple gender flip of typical rape games? If the player is female, she has to deal with the nastiest dudes and the ugliest creatures. If the player is male, he's surrounded by the cutest girls. I like to use and as examples because both game are made by the same developer. Do you notice the tone of these two games? It's the best of times for the male, but it's the worst of times for the female. I'm starting to think that "reverse rape" is a stand-in for "harem" because the hidden goal is to have sex with every female enemy in the game. So many reverse rape situations still feel like it's his battle to lose; he lost because he couldn't withstand her seduction or something. He never has to deal with an ugly rapist who simply imposed her will on him the way male enemies are able to do on female players. Even games with female protagonists don't have ugly female enemies. Would it hurt to have a little parity? Instead of being charmed into submission by loli bigtits he's screaming in agony from three fat dommes who pegged him against his will.
 
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Out of everything I've played, nothing special comes to mind. That's a pretty super niche market though. And not something I think a lot of Japanese devs would have much of an interest in unless they were both into that AND making h games. But I also have very limited experience with RPG Maker H games (cause not my speed) but you're more likely to find something there.
Spoiled some less relevant suggestions below, for if you're opened minded to anything other than female forcing male. (Which is a great kink, see some of .)

The only examples I have would be non-straight H games, which are also usually more furry than anything else. But even then there's like ONE example that I know of, off the top of my head.
Another example though, Acid Style did one where it's a cat-boy/girl twin set up, but that's also HALF non-straight. However, Acid Style is superb in his art style so it's more of an androgynous male than anything. See below.
But that's the only other things that come to mind. Sorry
 

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Rhaaa, don't get me started with that
useless, pointless and offensive "reverse rape" tag. They should rename it "M男" already, or stick with their 逆転無し/"no reversal", both which actually make some sense. Same goes for "Femdom" which encompasses waaay too much and needs be broken down, as it doesn't mean jack sh*t anymore the way it is.

From another perspective, I'd also wish for some equity: like nuking off the face of the H-world these creepy fat old guys and these ugly violent monsters. Or more likely (still won't happen much), design cuter monsters and have the girl actually having fun with them. Like a few of these silly tickling games (without the pee... please?).
Would it hurt to have a little parity? [Like] he's screaming in agony from three fat dommes who pegged him against his will.
I do get that there's not much demand for smelly old hags; but I definitely don't get how there is any for unattractive, overweight sweaty males - or that they don't get shamed/scorned the same way your average 85B female usually is. Equity? Parity? Sounds good to me. "SPH" tag coming soon to DLsite! 🥳 (still won't play :sneaky:)
Back to topic's point: there are a few exceptions, though far in-between.
- Monster Girl Quest and similar games where the artistic lead is past terrible the girls cannot be considered attractive anymore - that being very subjective.
- a few games like Degrees of Lewdity (no link, obviously) treat both genders equally harshly. Probably SDoomas pointed in the right direction, if there are more of these around.
- there are a few like or that apparently try an horror approach, but I fail to understand how they can be related to anything remotely sexual.
 

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More seriously, True reverse does exist in RL. Every time we use that term, we point and laugh at one of the 10-20% male rape victims.
I don't think I need to mention women can be rapist too (more calculating and less likely to be reported, too) and that domestic violence against the husband is also a thing (women being also seldom reported, compared to their male counterparts).

Anyway, I remember seeing a few games with monsters latching on a male MC crotch for... scientific purposes. I have no idea how (or willingness) to find them, but they exist. I can't remember a full-fledged adult man being the MC in one of these, if that's any help.
 

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True reverse rape would be pretty girls forcing ugly things to fuck them. I know what you're trying to say though.

Basically, you have a fetish and feel it's not getting enough attention because what you want is something the majority has no interest in. So your argument is then 'reee muh equality'? The equality is already present, the people who want or a willing to at least ignore the presence of that content is low so the amount of that content produced is low. You can't honestly be under the impression that content producers should just bite the bullet and make stuff that doesn't sell, or even that people should purchase products they aren't interested in.


Made by guys, for guys.
This. I really don't care what the guys look like since I'm not attracted to males so my goal is to ignore them as much as possible, in fact I prefer futanari x futanari anymore. MAXIMUM GAY, but still no male sodomy. XD
 
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I hate the moniker "reverse rape." I'm just working within the limitations of the phrase. I figured that would be the case; I should change the title of the thread. I think I am alone in my interests since there seems to be absolutely no desire to flip things where the male protagonist is surrounded by uglies who degrade him to the ground. Maybe there is a secret demand for that stuff, but I won't know unless I make it myself. I appreciate because futanari on male is a personal interest for the developer, and the person took a big risk making a game that featured such content where little to none existed. Sometimes people don't realize what they like if they're never exposed to it.
 
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Sometimes people don't realize what they like if they're never exposed to it.
I don't disagree, but the reverse is also true: when you experience something new, you might realize that this fantasy you had before wasn't the hot stuff you thought.

The game that probably defined "reverse rape" back then would be Illusion's You can't escape the heroines!
Like, no, Saga can't initiate sex (except Safi), and he does get forcefully pushed down (by maidens, no less xD), but he never seems to mind it in the slightest.
 
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So your argument is then 'reee muh equality?' The equality is already present; the people who want or are willing to at least ignore the presence of that content is low so the amount of that content produced is low. You can't honestly be under the impression that content producers should just bite the bullet and make stuff that doesn't sell, or even that people should purchase products they aren't interested in.
I'm not demanding anything. I'm just making a joke. It's not a call to action either; it's just an observation. If anything, might be the closest thing to parity because the guy takes it from everyone and everything. He gets treated the way female protagonists are usually treated in those games.
>when a fat bitch wants your dick and you can't fight her off
Sure, why not? I've played where one of the enemies was a fat goth. The game is only text though.
I don't disagree, but the reverse is also true: when you experience something new, you might realize that this fantasy you had before wasn't the hot stuff you thought. The game that probably defined "reverse rape" back then would be Illusion's You can't escape the heroines! Like, no, Saga can't initiate sex (except Safi), and he does get forcefully pushed down (by maidens, no less xD), but he never seems to mind it in the slightest.
I still think it's better for someone to try something different and fail (or not) than never to try out of fear of failure. Choices are also good. If there really is an under-served demand for less popular content, someone can fill that niche. I don't recall too many reverse rape action games until ExcessM released OneSyota. I don't think we would have gotten Demon Angel Sakura if OneSyota wasn't a success.
Using Futa can be a way to side-step a "Yaoi" tag/feeling. Another "improvement" could be pretty boys / handsome men doing the raping instead of ugly males, they also tend to benefit from some "double standards" to a degree.
Futanari on male is gay sex between woman and man the way futanari on female is straight sex with two women. You either get or . The irony of yaoi between nasty old man and little boy is that straight men like it; . It's a counter to those who complain about sexualizing little girls; they'll sexualize little boys instead. As far as pretty boys and handsome men are concerned, they already do that in some visual novels for extra drama.
 
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You know I've almost never enjoyed reverse rape games, but hadn't thought about it but that's exactly why. Funnily enough, two games mentioned in this thread, the Acid Style one and Monster Girl Quest I have played and have enjoyed despite the "reverse rape" moniker, although neither one is a poster boy fit (but beggars can not be choosers). Unfortunately, I can not think of any more off the top of my head.

In general people VERY RARELY purposefully draw 'ugly' or 'traditionally unattractive' women in anime. Characters that are supposed to be unpopular and unattractive weirdos still end up looking like Kuroki Tomoko and even-even in those two examples the Acid Style game has no ugly (or even just fat) women, and in MGQ it only really comes from monstrous aspects.

In my opinion? If there is that otaku stereotype enemy so commonly found in h-games, bring on the weirdo fujoshis
 
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You know I've almost never enjoyed reverse rape games, but hadn't thought about it but that's exactly why. Funnily enough, two games mentioned in this thread, the Acid Style one and Monster Girl Quest I have played and have enjoyed despite the "reverse rape" moniker, although neither one is a poster boy fit (but beggars can not be choosers). Unfortunately, I can not think of any more off the top of my head.

In general people VERY RARELY purposefully draw 'ugly' or 'traditionally unattractive' women in anime. Characters that are supposed to be unpopular and unattractive weirdos still end up looking like Kuroki Tomoko and even-even in those two examples the Acid Style game has no ugly (or even just fat) women, and in MGQ it only really comes from monstrous aspects.

In my opinion? If there is that otaku stereotype enemy so commonly found in h-games, bring on the weirdo fujoshis
You've never enjoyed reverse rape games but your avatar is a MGQ girl?

MGQ started reverse rape too... It's tagline in the original VN was "lose and be raped"

I'm honestly very confused by your statement. What games do you usually play and like?
 

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Honestly the market is just dominated by hetero content. I don't have a particular issue with that though since Mission Mermaiden came out I've been curious on what more yuri based h-games could do. Out of all the less extreme genres, I really feel like yuri is surprisingly sparse. You'd think with all the females protagonists you'd get at least one smart guy in the opposition go. 'Wow that girl sure is powerful, why don't we send our own out there to see if she can beat her.' Even when it does happen, it's tentacles and the guys coming into finish the business. That aside, I don't see what else is needed. We've had monstrous females in things like Zell's horror game or Monster Girl Quest, the only thing I haven't seen a guy raped by outside of Degrees of Lewdity. A western game, is a literal bitch. A female dog, female feral animals and even then total feral isreally rare to begin with. Insects are more popular than feral animals. I don't see what true reverse rape is because guys are repeatedly shown 'not' enjoying the scenario.
 
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The responses to this thread really are condensed down to the two points above. The same people make the same stuff. For different stuff to exist, different people need to emerge to make different stuff. Don't mistake this as a call to action; this is just an observation. The feeling I get with typical male-dominant scenarios is that it's some insecure guy taking out his frustrations on women by creating a perfect scenario where all the guys are in complete control and the woman gets absolutely nothing. She only exists to take the abuse from the creator's mind. The way I see female-dominant situations is that it's a fantasy where the woman does all the work and does things that the guy would like to experience. Yes I understand that fantasy and porn are wish-fulfillment. Why would a guy want to put himself in a bad situation? Even if the appearances change where the male protagonist is the attractive one and the female enemies are hideous, the message is more about weird situations rather than a worldview that punishes the male sex. Instead of a guy dictating the terms of his own defeat, what if the creator was a female who has the same disdain for males as these guys seem to have for females?
 

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The responses to this thread really are condensed down to the two points above. The same people make the same stuff. For different stuff to exist, different people need to emerge to make different stuff. Don't mistake this as a call to action; this is just an observation. The feeling I get with typical male-dominant scenarios is that it's some insecure guy taking out his frustrations on women by creating a perfect scenario where all the guys are in complete control and the woman gets absolutely nothing. She only exists to take the abuse from the creator's mind. The way I see female-dominant situations is that it's a fantasy where the woman does all the work and does things that the guy would like to experience. Yes I understand that fantasy and porn are wish-fulfillment. Why would a guy want to put himself in a bad situation? Even if the appearances change where the male protagonist is the attractive one and the female enemies are hideous, the message is more about weird situations rather than a worldview that punishes the male sex. Instead of a guy dictating the terms of his own defeat, what if the creator was a female who has the same disdain for males as these guys seem to have for females?
Bro, you're reaching. In most vanilla VNs the girls happiness is tantamount to the experience.
Most VNs are maledom because of Japan's conservative mentality towards sex. If they want to make a "normal" sexual story, the guy is in the lead. That doesn't mean the woman gets absolutely nothing. That can't be further from the truth.

Have you played Sabbat of the Witch? That story is exactly what you're saying on a surface level, but deeper than that as the story goes on.

The way I see female-dominant situations is that it's a fantasy where the woman does all the work and does things that the guy would like to experience.
In MGQ, SHRIFT, The World a Robot Girl Dreams of, and other monster girl related reverse rape games, the guys are not even in complete control over the situation, and it's not about just doing things the guy would like to experience. The girls are getting sexual enjoyment out of whatever they do.

What it seems like you'd want is Succubus games as the FeMC.

There's by Rusimarudo.
And there's also ALL OF

99% of the scenes in those games are maledom in composition, but it fits every criteria you want. You play as the girl, and every motivation she has is to just have sex. The people she has sex with aren't attractive and are usually quite hideous.

If you want to see hideous women have sex with attractive dudes though, then yeah you're pretty shit out of luck. There's a few manga artists that do that, but that fetish is so frighteningly unpopular it's not even funny. When girls create otome VNs the girls are always attractive. When guys create VNs there are times when they do ugly bastard but most of the time it's generally an attractive looking guy as well.

what if the creator was a female
Gonna be honest, I laughed way harder than I should have when I read this line.

It's not that females don't exist in the erotic space. They do. They mostly work in literary fiction though. You're gonna have to go buy books to get female authors, and even then it's 99% SM shit that treats the woman like shit, like 50 shades of grey.

Women also tend to work on independent VNs, because the VN community is all accepting of sexual tastes. But they're LGBT for the most part soo....

Honestly... you should just make your own game. I feel like if you put your heart out there working on a project, you'll actually notice how many people are receptive to your desires.
 
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Gonna be honest, I laughed way harder than I should have when I read this line.
We're always butting heads, aren't we? I guess this is retribution for derailing your Hagokoro thread with this stuff but now there's a place for that discussion. I'll take this one on the chin. I think my own argument is flawed and limited because most of my gripes are with Japanese porn which seem to have very rigid gender roles. I admit that I don't play nearly as many games as you do, so my knowledge is very limited. I don't care too much for visual novels. The few games I play are action games where almost all the content I see is what I described. All games can piss off. I get bored when I see yet another traditional ryona action game with ugly dudes or yet another oneshota RPG Maker title. I should have clarified that the "guy" in female-dominant games is the person playing the game, not the protagonist. I am familiar with the robot girl game, and most of those situations are from people who subscribed to Ci-en and requested those scenes.

With all due respect, please don't misinterpret the point I'm trying to make just because you don't agree with it. I wish you would have quoted the rest of the sentence rather than clipping only the part you wanted to argue. I already know about the way women produce erotic content. They tend to have equity in mind in that they want everyone to be attractive whether they are good or bad. I agree with your point about SM content because women have this fantasy that they can change a bad but handsome man for the better by taking his abuse; hot sex is worth the pain. The women don't seem to have the same lust for power the way men do. Having a female make a game does not automatically produce a gender-flipped ryona which was the original question I was asking. I'm just chasing a unicorn at this point. I don't think there are active misandrists in the erotic space who would produce gender-flipped ryona. Again, none of this matters to you unless I make my own game.
 

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I should have clarified that the "guy" in female-dominant games is the person playing the game, not the protagonist.
If that's the case then your base premise quite literally can never hold true.

If they make a game where the male protagonist is being raped by a horrific 90 year old monster woman, it's because some users out there would prefer that scenario, so they're still catering to user tastes. It's impossible to escape this fact.

If no user would want to see such an act, than they're quite literally creating a scene with 0 appeal, which runs counter to any design sense, financially or sexually.

With all due respect, please don't misinterpret the point I'm trying to make just because you don't agree with it. I wish you would have quoted the rest of the sentence rather than clipping only the part you wanted to argue.
If you feel I've misrepresented any of your arguments, please explicate. The parts I'm not quoting are usually different ideas, and If I'm not quoting them it's because I don't fully disagree with your statements.

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Sexually the erotic space can be split into two for the most part.

Those who like male assertive sex, and the extremes in that direction.
Those who like female assertive sex and the extremes in that direction.

The middleground where you get both only really exists in larger titles like Visual Novels where 8 different people are working on the game, or western games. VNs have multiple writers sometimes, and try to cater to more fetishes than normal.
Japan's still quite conservative in their mindset so the mentality, that guy leads, girl follows (which is generally true to reality mind you) is how the sexual scenarios are generally written out.

All works lean in one direction based on the tastes of the lead creative.

The reason you don't like StudioS is because it leans heavily into male assertive sex, and goes in the extreme of that direction including ryona, with bruised and black-eyed heroines.

Again, none of this matters to you unless I make my own game.
EXACTLY. Be the change you want to see. Who knows, maybe you'll strike gold and make me eat my words.
I'm personally betting against that tho XD

Good luck.
 

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(which is generally true to reality mind you)
It seems a significant portion of the internet, mass media and even some lawmakers have forgotten the fact that some 95+% of our species isn't homosexual or delusional about their genitalia.
 

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You've never enjoyed reverse rape games but your avatar is a MGQ girl?

MGQ started reverse rape too... It's tagline in the original VN was "lose and be raped"

I'm honestly very confused by your statement. What games do you usually play and like?
You didn't read my post very well since like I said, I've ALMOST never enjoyed a reverse rape game, and MGQ it's a bit of an exception since it has a lot of grotesque/monstrous/traditionally unattractive monstergirls. Some of the games I enjoyed were Creature Hunter, Legend of Meguru, Moral Sword Asagi, Explorer of the Golden Planet, Lilitales, Crisis Cell, Taimamiko Yuugi, Tobihime Inter Breed, and Depravia. The entire reverse-rape genre tends to be quite samey with even the protagonists usually being the same body type.
 

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You didn't read my post very well since like I said, I've ALMOST never enjoyed a reverse rape game, and MGQ it's a bit of an exception since it has a lot of grotesque/monstrous/traditionally unattractive monstergirls. Some of the games I enjoyed were Creature Hunter, Legend of Meguru, Moral Sword Asagi, Explorer of the Golden Planet, Lilitales, Crisis Cell, Taimamiko Yuugi, Tobihime Inter Breed, and Depravia. The entire reverse-rape genre tends to be quite samey with even the protagonists usually being the same body type.
Yeah I just googled those games and they're all traditional femc ryona.

No wonder you don't like Reverse Rape games. Reverse rape games wouldn't do anything for you sexually if you want girls in physically and emotionally compromising positions. It's honestly a surprise that you even like MGQ tbqh.

It seems a significant portion of the internet, mass media and even some lawmakers have forgotten the fact that some 95+% of our species isn't homosexual or delusional about their genitalia.
I don't know where you go on the internet when it comes to mass media, but I'm not seeing that. Honestly, the lefty circles I run in just talk about tax policy, outsourcing, and income disparity. Social issues are always behind economic ones.

Regarding lawmakers making laws that help or hurt the LGBT. Some are trying to make laws to help them have the same equal opportunity's as other couples.

Like... marriage equality which got recently passed. Now if someone gets in an accident, and the spouse goes into the hospital and asks to see them, the doctor's can't turn them away because they're legally married.

Other LGBT laws, like government subsidized surgery on the other hand... well that's a mess when it comes to financial tax use. Especially since a good 20% of people who undergo surgery later regret it.

But yeah, discussions will happen when it comes to these topics because they're a social group who's societal needs need to be dealt with. Just like how African American's are like 30% of the population but they've dominated the news cycle recently for various reasons.
 
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