Hentai Section Reformatting

Hentai Section Reformatting

  • By Genre

    Votes: 168 68.3%
  • By whether it's completed or still being developed

    Votes: 62 25.2%
  • Other (Explain with a post!)

    Votes: 16 6.5%

  • Total voters
    246

DarkFire1004

Tentacle Goddess of the H-Section
Moderator
Nov 10, 2008
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#1
I'd like to propose that we start the discussion over, but start it over with the things we've already come to agreement on. I'll try to be as objective as possible and show what we've covered so far.



The Hentai Section
To begin with, this is what we're currently looking at as far as the Hentai section in general might end up looking like:

However, we are also considering whether or not to split the Hentai Game section right off from the rest of the Hentai section. In the case of this, the forum would end up looking something like this:

Right now, these are the only updates to the Hentai section in general, and there aren't really any disagreements about it. The changes in this regard would be the following:
  • The Under Construction section is moved into the Hentai Games section
  • The Vanilla Hentai Movies is moved into the Hentai Movies section
  • The Reviews section is moved into the Unsorted section
  • The Hentai Games section is moved out of the Hentai section and made its own separate section.



The Hentai Games section
In regards to the Hentai Games section, these are currently the points that we have a very large majority agreement on and will likely be implementing.


In text, the following changes are going to be:
  • Creating a Translations sub-section
  • Creating an Online sub-section, which will contain the Nutaku, DMM, MMO and any other largely online based games
  • The Under Construction section will now be found here
The little annotations you see below some of the sub-sections in the diagram indicate that they are going to be using these as prefixes to better label what each thread will be about. Those tags on the top right of diagram are tags that may be implemented as genre tags for the remaining games that are not being moved to those sub-sections.



How the Hentai Games Section will be categorized
There are currently three potential systems on how to separate the remaining games, which is where most of the discussion was.
The first is making genre-based sections, which will create sub-sections in the Hentai Games section.
The second is separating all the games by whether they are completed or not. In other words, if the game is still in development, it is filtered to an Incomplete section. Else, it would be put in a Complete section.
The final system is separating the games based on whether it is an Eastern developer or Western developer.

Currently, most people seem to be against the East/West sectioning, and most of the debate is between genre-based and Complete/Incomplete. The other thing to keep in mind is that besides sections, these threads will also have prefixes like the other sections. Thus if we were to go with genre-based sectioning, there would still be the ability to label them as complete or incomplete by using the prefixes. Similarly, the Complete/Incomplete sections would be using the prefixes to have genre labels on them.



The current discussion
Before the concern about the Online section came about, we were talking about establishing clearer definitions of everything regarding the systems. The Complete/Incomplete system needs to further define what it means to be complete or incomplete, as well as how it will approach grey area topics such as games that are being iteratively updated, games that utilize DLC, or games whose developers' definition of complete differs from the forum's. The Genre-based system is charged with having a single, unified, and agreed-upon model of what genres are going to be used for the final system. Currently, it is understood that [Action], [RPG], [ACT-RPG], [VN], [Strategy], and [Miscellaneous] should be in there, but whether there needs to be more or less is up for debate.



Now please feel free to discuss any part of this overhaul. We're already aware of some of the flaws, as this is what our debates have been trying to uncover, but we'd like more opinions so that we can have a final system that will please as many people as possible.
 
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Antithetical Inquiry

Matriarch
Staff member
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Dec 2, 2008
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#2
Re: Hentai Section Reformatting

Like my new signature?
 

DarkFire1004

Tentacle Goddess of the H-Section
Moderator
Nov 10, 2008
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#3
Re: Hentai Section Reformatting

Wow. We're comin' out of the corner, swinging, aren't we?
 

Xil

Grim Reaper
Sep 18, 2014
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#4
Re: Hentai Section Reformatting

I like the Genre option more because it will contain the specific games rather than spliting them up once they are finished, which makes me think it will make one sub-section way more alive than the other.

The only problem I see with the Genre option is that someone who likes all kinds of gernes would have to open WAY more tabs than they have to do now.
 

Hagya

Demon Girl
Oct 22, 2015
78
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#5
Re: Hentai Section Reformatting

I voted for genre too because I don't like VN and most RPGMaker games. I prefer games that are somehow original. Also, there are games which are incomplete but still way more rich than complete games so I dislike this distinction.
 
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super_slicer

Tentacle God
Nov 17, 2010
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#6
Re: Hentai Section Reformatting

I'm going to wait to vote because, well we jumped from discussion to this kind of quickly. Not without reason, I get that the other thread devolved into new people coming in, not reading recent posts and drudging up things that had already been dealt with.

What did everyone think of the idea of going with the complete/incomplete but giving RPGs their own sub with incomplete/complete tags?

I really thought it would address the concern of complete/incomplete moving too fast or having too many titles given that rpgs are the largest genre we have around here, providing us the most bang for our buck per split.

Another reason why I don't like subs by genre, is most often I don't really care what genre a game has (with a couple notable objections, leading to me liking tags being on stuff so I can just not click on those) but what fetishes it contains, leading to me crawling through almost every sub anyway. Subs by genre feels like... we're just splitting things up this way because it's not feasible to split them up by fetish.

Also: anyone know what's up with the ads? I don't have any at the bottom of the page anymore.
 

Mind Flayer

The Sexy Futanari Admin Goon
Staff member
Administrator
Mar 31, 2012
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Re: Hentai Section Reformatting

Do you have Adblock+ enabled or anything Slicer? If so then that's probably why they aren't showing up. But I've noticed sometimes that they don't show up properly when I use my mother's little Netbook which I take to the bathroom with me to write and stuff sometimes, which doesn't have Adblock+ on it.
 

super_slicer

Tentacle God
Nov 17, 2010
3,232
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#8
Re: Hentai Section Reformatting

Nope, just firefox in private mode. They usually show up though, and I don't think it been updated, maybe the server just gave up on trying to push them through my slow-ass connection?
 

ytinasni

Jungle Girl
Apr 9, 2011
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#9
Re: Hentai Section Reformatting

DarkFire said:
[...]I've just described my moderating process[...]
But - you look at every thread because you're a mod. The rest of us can use the "ignore thread" button for threads we don't want to see (including stickies)

I doubt you can find genres that are specific enough to be useful without having some sections be ghost-towns like the H-movies and H-doujin sections already are.

I voted "completed/still being developed".

The final system is separating the games based on whether it is an Eastern developer or Western developer.
That sounds racist. I hope you actually mean "games in japanese/games in english".
 

sgtbilco

Demon Girl Master
Dec 21, 2010
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#10
Re: Hentai Section Reformatting

Is it out of the question to integrate some sort of advanced search database page or component. Not unlike the search on vndb.org ??

If you could make ulmf more like that, I think users would be able to find content faster and mods can keep things properly organized. Notice on vndb how each novel entry has a tab that links to a discussion thread so it maintains a 1:1 correlation.

I realize this may sound like blasphemy but as great as forums are, I feel like for a site dealing with content such as this they really should be an 'accessory' to a database website.
Ask yourself what are the top problems associated with content control? IMO:

1. Duplicate Threads.
2. Mislabeled/Mistagged/Unlabeled Threads.
3. Dead Links
4. Noob posts: "WHERES DA LINK?!?"
5. User Reviews/Ratings are scattered throughout the thread.
6. Flaming

If you make the H Game/Comics/Movies database take front and center stage then you start to more easily eliminate those things listed above.
 
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Antithetical Inquiry

Matriarch
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Dec 2, 2008
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Re: Hentai Section Reformatting

Is it out of the question to integrate some sort of advanced search database page or component. Not unlike the search on vndb.org ??

If you could make ulmf more like that, I think users would be able to find content faster and mods can keep things properly organized.

I realize this may sound like blasphemy but as great as forums are, I feel like for a site such as this they really should be an accessory to a database website. Ask yourself what are the top problems associated with content control? IMO:

1. Duplicate Threads.
2. Mislabeled/Mistagged/Unlabeled Threads.
3. Dead Links
The unfortunate problem with this is, the owner of ULMF.org isn't generating money off the site, probably just under or over server costs. We're using a free version of vBulletin at the moment. Had we a development team, and dedicated linux admins; maybe. But we're a team of volunteers that use our off time arguing about how to best categorize cartoon porn games.
 

sgtbilco

Demon Girl Master
Dec 21, 2010
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#12
Re: Hentai Section Reformatting

The unfortunate problem with this is, the owner of ULMF.org isn't generating money off the site, probably just under or over server costs. We're using a free version of vBulletin at the moment. Had we a development team, and dedicated linux admins; maybe. But we're a team of volunteers that use our off time arguing about how to best categorize cartoon porn games.
"Whatever is worth doing at all is worth doing well." - Philip Stanhope

I would amend: "...Even if its cartoon boobs and vaginas."

Well for what its worth, it looks like the code for vndb is available here.
 

Lewdovico

Demon Girl
Oct 22, 2015
60
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#13
Re: Hentai Section Reformatting

Not sure if I'm going to get buttblasted because I'm voting for Incomplete/Complete, but the OP doesn't mention that Genres will use [Complete][Incomplete] tags while Completion uses [ACT][RPGM][VN]/etc tags.

sgtbilco reiterates the primary concern that I and others supporting I/C have when looking at the Genre split.

It would be interesting if VBulletin had a way to filter by tag while still having everything revealed by default, which could allow the best of both systems :/
 
Jul 12, 2009
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#14
Re: Hentai Section Reformatting


Mandatory minimum tags standardised by content, highlighted "questionable content" tags, enforced english titles where applicable
 

YummyTiger

Tentacle God
Feb 7, 2014
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#15
Re: Hentai Section Reformatting

Voted genre, and glad to see it is well ahead. I would like to reiterate, that if you do go the complete/incomplete route, I would MUCH rather see different terminology. Such as, "Released" and "Upcoming." Upcoming carries a far more positive connotation and implies these are titles that are going to be released.

Thank you.
 

Hentaispider

Lord of the Tap Dance \oO.Oo/ (And Reputation Mana
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Nov 24, 2008
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I think there's an important - historical, even - consideration that, somehow, hasn't been brought up yet: tentacles, the very foundation of the forum. Therefore, I must view both current categorization attempts as deeply flawed.

Cthulhu Fhtagn.
 
Dec 9, 2010
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#17
Re: Hentai Section Reformatting

I would rather see no change atcall happen than the trainwreck that will likely happen by following through with the insanity of sorting by genre.
 

Ziza

Demon Girl
Feb 14, 2014
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#18
Re: Hentai Section Reformatting

Voted on genre; I feel like it would make it much easier to further organize threads based on just two main tags (Complete/Incomplete) rather than having just two sections and a lot of main tags.

I also like this approach a lot:

 

ToxicShock

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I would rather see no change atcall happen than the trainwreck that will likely happen by following through with the insanity of sorting by genre.
I'm actually with this. The separation of complete to incomplete makes sense at a glance because they are two technically separate states, but the exercise of actually separating and keeping them separate seems to pale as an idea next to one of genre, but genre isn't that big of an issue except when it comes to the core of the very programs used, like whether or not RPGmaker is necessary or the games are online. But I don't think act needs to be anything other than "everything that isn't RPG," including shitty visual novels and text games.

Translations also are just a side order. It's not a changing state of the game, it's something additional on top of it. Having a translation subgenre is like having a "with fries" section on the menu. Ya don't do that, ya just put whether each meal has fries or not.

That would require more tags, which I understand is a fault of the system, but people also possess the power to put info INTO the title, which they don't do enough as is. So I mean, REALLY, the population is at fault. -says a dictator
 

Unknown Squid

Aurani's Wife
Nov 10, 2008
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Re: Hentai Section Reformatting

Translations also are just a side order. It's not a changing state of the game, it's something additional on top of it. Having a translation subgenre is like having a "with fries" section on the menu. Ya don't do that, ya just put whether each meal has fries or not.
The translations sub isn't intended as a genre split or a place to post game threads. It would be a workspace of sorts where translation efforts can be organised and collaborated on in a place where general game discussion, news, and random banter won't get in the way. So it'd be housing side threads that would link back to the games main thread, and vice versa.

It's more of an extra that just came up during discussion.