Women wanted: Breeding Group on KIK

[super_slicer]

Re: Women wanted: Breeding Group on KIK

I've always had an issue of how this problem has been addressed.

For example; When someone with schizophrenia says that walls are evil and trying to kill them, we don't go and tear down all the walls now do we?

If my HD were to be formatted for MAC OS would I try to alter my computer components to work with MAC OS or format the HD to work with windows?

As far as I know we currently lack any proof as to whether these people are actually born with male/female brains or with an abnormality that makes them believe they are. Why are we taking the most complicated approach to the solution?

 

[Byzantine2014]

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I'd wonder how this went from impregnation to transgender issues, but I like my sanity

There are some people I've noticed who you think are one gender, but when you look closely notice are actually not. Sometimes there are people who truly are mind and soul wise not the gender they were born as and suffer for it, but like Zeph and Yoshiiki said, I think quite a few really are possibly just a little misguided.

One thing is, how much resources are we spending on people who only want to be a different gender, when we have starvation, insufficient medical care and rampant violence in developed nations? Never mind those that're catching up...

 

[Yoshiiki]

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One thing is, how much resources are we spending on people who only want to be a different gender, when we have starvation, insufficient medical care and rampant violence in developed nations? Never mind those that're catching up...

This part exactly.
People out there are getting modifications of their bodies, because they want like... split tongue or bigger breast, fake six-pack and so on. Sure, this range from small piercing/tattoo to surgical modification that need months to heal. If that person is paying for this with their own money and doesn't force rest of population to pay for it - Sure, it's fine. It's pretty much a whim at this point, hardcore one, but a whim.
I won't contemn anyone as long as they use their own resources.
Is it weird? Is it questionable? Depends who you ask.
Do a person who likes fictional loli is a problem? As long as it doesn't involve anything else than fictional character, it's ok.
Do a person who likes guro is a problem? As long as it doesn't involve anything else than fiction, it's ok.
BUT, if at some point it starts involving other people, it is a problem.

I'd wonder how this went from impregnation to transgender issues, but I like my sanity

To be fair and clear, I absolutely do not mind. I find such discussion way more attractive than what OP started. Simple idea that we can talk and ponder about something that less than century ago was nothing more than science fiction is incredible.
Plus, that shows how such topics should be treated, not with shouting and screaming from both sides, but sitting down and discussing.
Even after assuming such debate is only for entertainment and won't impact much, still better than screaming and shouting.

 

[Hentaispider]

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I've always had an issue of how this problem has been addressed.

For example; When someone with schizophrenia says that walls are evil and trying to kill them, we don't go and tear down all the walls now do we?

If my HD were to be formatted for MAC OS would I try to alter my computer components to work with MAC OS or format the HD to work with windows?

As far as I know we currently lack any proof as to whether these people are actually born with male/female brains or with an abnormality that makes them believe they are. Why are we taking the most complicated approach to the solution?

Are you an expert in psychiatry? I'm pretty sure no-one would suggest gender reassignment as treatment for gender dysphoria if there was another, less invasive treatment that worked as well.

 

[XSI]

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Technically there was this pill that worked on a single study for it with a small sample size, but no further research has been done as far as I know and a single study is not enough(By my standards) to give potentially mind altering chemicals to large groups of people(Unless they specifically ask for it)

Can't recall the name of the thing either, I'll post it if I remember

 

[Paladox]

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Plus, that shows how such topics should be treated, not with shouting and screaming from both sides, but sitting down and discussing.Even after assuming such debate is only for entertainment and won't impact much, still better than screaming and shouting.

Actually, with other rampant issues in mind such as those Byzantine2014 mentioned, I had some choice expletives in mind for said individuals (those who want super expensive, sex change / plastic surgery / vanity type stuff) when I made my previous post. Including thoughts like, "If they go through with said operation, then I hope they die on the operating table!"

I used a little restraint though. My blood pressure was, most likely, rather high at the time.

As has been mentioned though, if they're not bothering anyone then.. well it's their money and their body so that's their prerogative. Then again, what happens when said doctor's time is limited and they would rather do that operation than another, less expensive operation to save a child's life because, well, there's simply more money to be had?

Well at any rate I certainly don't want them to die on the operating table. Besides, it might be more appropriate if they have to live with the consequences of their stupidity.
Imagine, for example, if a guy changed himself into a woman only to end up with the opposite feelings. Some people are just never satisfied.

Also, going off topic even more, but why do some people feel the need to let their entire life, their whole being and purpose, be defined by their sexuality and how they want to have sex?
I mean.. is that the only thing that defines you? Surely there are more important things that said individual can focus on.

Like most males I like women. Sure, I had a crush on a girl in High School but that did not define me. Hardly anyone knew of my crush, I'm sure.
I was more known for being a gamer, being quiet, square, Christian, etc.. etc..

I mean seriously. The majority of the world is OK with your sexuality so get over yourself and get a hobby. The rest of us could care less which sex organ/orifice you're enthralled with.

Unless you're a lesbian of course, and then, well, it's required that you tell us everything. ... ... (face palm)

 

[breckcole]

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There's some things that I just don't understand being debatable topics. There's only two people (Or more, I don't judge) that someone's sexual identity and preferences should matter to: Themselves and their partner. Anyone else can suck my saggy left testicle.

And as far as how we're using humanity's resources? There's BILLIONS of us. If I spend my hard earned money on cinnabons and clown porn, noone should care.

I just.. don't understand.

 

[Yoshiiki]

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There's some things that I just don't understand being debatable topics. There's only two people (Or more, I don't judge) that someone's sexual identity and preferences should matter to: Themselves and their partner. Anyone else can suck my saggy left testicle.

And as far as how we're using humanity's resources? There's BILLIONS of us. If I spend my hard earned money on cinnabons and clown porn, noone should care.

I just.. don't understand.

Tbh, no one cares and no one should unless it affects them.
But, at what point does that stop anyone from discussing this or any other topic?
Debate can be not only a form of entertainment but it can also be a great source for learning stuff.
People have different opinions and they discuss, show their points of view, asks, answers and such.
Every topic can be used for discussion, sometimes it doesn't need to have any great meaning behind, sometimes it does.

If someone puts weird decoration on his lawn, I am not going to question what he is doing with his money. But no one will stop me from sharing with someone my opinion on fact if I think it's ugly or beautiful and other things.

No one is talking about any specific person, no one invades anyone's life, it's just a discussion about [insert topic here].

What's there not to understand?

Unless we drop our minds on the floor and go with "my feelings are hurt because someone is talking about something I don't want them to talk!". Which is not a discussion but throwing a fit, kids do that, adults shouldn't.
Also, just for clarification, last two sentences weren't aimed at you, but at some weird people out there in our world doing exactly that.

 

[Pervy]

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Hooh some interesting discussion going on. In.. this topic. Love this community.

For example; When someone with schizophrenia says that walls are evil and trying to kill them, we don't go and tear down all the walls now do we?

Interesting argument, though on the other hand, imagined ailments can cause real issues that need real treatment. That said, the simple answer is 'Actually, if a simple surgery could fix Schizophrenia, a lot of people would prefer it over life long treatment with drugs, hospitalizations and often drug addiction side problems'
You invert the argument a little. It sounds extreme, but its a treatment option that fixes the underlying issue, rather than supressing the symptoms of it, urges and instincts, with medication. Basic principle in medicine is 'if you can, treat the underlying cause'.
The underlying cause of Schizophrenia is not that the walls are evil, but the underlying cause of gender disphoria is that you don't have the right gender.

I guess a better argument would be 'When someone with claustrophobia says that the walls are evil and trying to trap them, perhaps we need to add a door to that wall over there as well, so they feel better.' Just that the wall is a penis and the door a vagina.

As far as I know we currently lack any proof as to whether these people are actually born with male/female brains or with an abnormality that makes them believe they are.

Well, whats the difference here? In both cases you have a female brain thinking male thoughts or vice versa. I doubt you are Descartian here, but outcomes the same, no? And we aren't entirely clueless. Twin studies suggest a genetic component, the usual mixture of genetic predisposition and enviromental factors seems likely, but its hard to find reliable sample sizes. Evolutionary biology could suggest a vestigial adaption mechanism similiar to the clownfish.

Technically there was this pill that worked on a single study for it with a small sample size, but no further research has been done as far as I know and a single study is not enough(By my standards) to give potentially mind altering chemicals to large groups of people(Unless they specifically ask for it)

Can't recall the name of the thing either, I'll post it if I remember

We'd also have to define 'working'. If I feed anyone the right dosage of a tranquilizer and give them a questionairy if they're feeling relaxed and don't worry about their gender right now I'll get a significant yes out of it.

But ultimately, yeah, if they want to pay to look female, male, or like a tiger, 's their thing. Not my thing, tbh, now I'm fetishizing a dickgirl-centauress with each gender on one end, know what I'm sayin'.

 

[Rayzeroa]

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Rather off topic isnt it? We are evolved monkeys, nothing matters be what you want to be. Also had no idea these types of groups were a thing, Is now curious about other types of groups, need to add to the mass sausage fest.

 

[Zepheral]

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Evolve monkeys who are into my little pony porn. "ONE DOES NOT SIMPLY LOOK UP RARITY PORN."~ blueslime

 

[super_slicer]

Re: Women wanted: Breeding Group on KIK

Are you an expert in psychiatry?

Wouldn't I need to be an expert in neurology?

Interesting argument, though on the other hand, imagined ailments can cause real issues that need real treatment. That said, the simple answer is 'Actually, if a simple surgery could fix Schizophrenia, a lot of people would prefer it over life long treatment with drugs, hospitalizations and often drug addiction side problems'
You invert the argument a little. It sounds extreme, but its a treatment option that fixes the underlying issue, rather than supressing the symptoms of it, urges and instincts, with medication. Basic principle in medicine is 'if you can, treat the underlying cause'.
The underlying cause of Schizophrenia is not that the walls are evil, but the underlying cause of gender disphoria is that you don't have the right gender.

I guess a better argument would be 'When someone with claustrophobia says that the walls are evil and trying to trap them, perhaps we need to add a door to that wall over there as well, so they feel better.' Just that the wall is a penis and the door a vagina.

You are correct, my first example was a bit askew I meant to show that this isn't sales and that the patient isn't always right. The mismatched hardware to software example is where my true question to treatment lies. And it's less of an "Why aren't we doing this?" but instead an "Why isn't this being researched, and why when I mention it do most people get very defensive?"

Though I think you managed to answer that, if indeed it is a genetic condition where the body is programmed to produce the wrong chemicals we certainly can't do anything at this point, lacking gene-therapy.

Well, whats the difference here? In both cases you have a female brain thinking male thoughts or vice versa. I doubt you are Descartian here, but outcomes the same, no?

Technically no as I really don't want to accept that the brain is actually the sex the person says it is. Because they're countering the logical conclusion of their sex when one looks at the physical body and I'm not okay with reality being defined by an individual's thoughts rather than as a consensus based on observations of the physical world.

Also, going off topic even more, but why do some people feel the need to let their entire life, their whole being and purpose, be defined by their sexuality and how they want to have sex?
I mean.. is that the only thing that defines you? Surely there are more important things that said individual can focus on.

All life is programmed to do one thing : reproduce. One might say it is the goal of life itself, to create more life.

 

[Pervy]

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The mismatched hardware to software example is where my true question to treatment lies. And it's less of an "Why aren't we doing this?" but instead an "Why isn't this being researched, and why when I mention it do most people get very defensive?"

Though I think you managed to answer that, if indeed it is a genetic condition where the body is programmed to produce the wrong chemicals we certainly can't do anything at this point, lacking gene-therapy.

First off, I agree that the customer/patient isn't always right.. but you still gotta get paid too!

The answer to the research question is: Because its controversial, hard to do(transsexuals are exceedingly rare actually) and doesn't pay well.

I cannot claim to know its a genetic condition, but evidence points at it being a core biological problem yes.

Technically no as I really don't want to accept that the brain is actually the sex the person says it is. Because they're countering the logical conclusion of their sex when one looks at the physical body and I'm not okay with reality being defined by the individual rather than as a consensus.

oh geez, ok, first of, lets agree that 'female brain' and 'male brain' are weird metaphorical terms.
The problem is in your last sentence, I can't do that one a just refutation without getting into serious philosophy, which I feel would go too far in derailing this, so instead I'll not do it justice and instead go:
Lol everyone defines their own reality, how u know that u r part of consensus rather than the solitary outlier deluding themselfs into being part of the consensus #philosophical zombies

Edit: Oh I found a picture for that hashtag:

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[super_slicer]

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oh geez, ok, first of, lets agree that 'female brain' and 'male brain' are weird metaphorical terms.
The problem is in your last sentence, I can't do that one a just refutation without getting into serious philosophy, which I feel would go too far in derailing this, so instead I'll not do it justice and instead go:
Lol everyone defines their own reality, how u know that u r part of consensus rather than the solitary outlier deluding themselfs into being part of the consensus #philosophical zombies

Edit: Oh I found a picture for that hashtag:

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Always possible I guess, but having been programmed by society (no I didn't grow up in a complete vacuum) wouldn't a consensus that has already been reached be innate to my thought process?

 

[Zepheral]

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[Paladox]

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All life is programmed to do one thing : reproduce. One might say it is the goal of life itself, to create more life.

Also gotta breathe, eat, drink, sleep, etc..

And there's survival too. Then again, some species will throw caution to the wind and mate, and stay locked in that mode, even to the point that another animal will come along and eat them before they can finish up. Not to mention male black widows and praying mantis.

Heh. I doubt there are any female spiders trapped in the body of a male spider, but I bet there are male spiders trapped in the body of a female spider.. in her belly! xD

 

[Pervy]

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Always possible I guess, but having been programmed by society (no I didn't grow up in a complete vacuum) wouldn't a consensus that has already been reached be innate to my thought process?

In the defence of transgender ethics, they are not really fighting for the conservative consensus.

 

[Spiccy]

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This is hilarious

 

[Yoshiiki]

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This is hilarious

Game thread when?

 

[Paladox]

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In the defence of transgender ethics, they are not really fighting for the conservative consensus.

Certainly not when you put it that way, but then, the same could be said of the entire LGBT community.

"Are there any gay shows on?"
"Yup."
"Which ones?"
"All of em."

Some of them are a little more conservative about it (The Walking Dead), but every show I watch has a homosexual relationship in it (Walking Dead, Game of Thrones, Grey's Anatomy).

I'm sure it only goes downhill from here. Futas, for example, are becoming more and more popular. At some point all the new hentai will just be full of futas (Trials in Tainted Space is a good example). Futas creep me out like some people are creeped out by clowns.

I'm not preaching anti-acceptance. It just bothers me that we've gone way past that point and all the way down the meter to "shove it in your face and down your throat" levels.

It might just mostly be an internet & Hollywood thing though. If you were to shout, "Darryl Dixon is gay!" on the internet or in California then everyone around you cheers.
If you shout that anywhere else then you're probably going to get mobbed by a group of angry fan girls. xD