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[Ninja_Named_Bob]

In what world do you have enough lands to cast Avenger, Doubling Season and Cathar's Crusade, then a Craterhoof without any ramp? I mean holy fuck that's more lands than most decks even have in them!

EDH/Commander, buddy. You obviously have Cathar's Crusade/Doubling Season up the turn prior, and then push with Avenger/Hoof on the follow-up. If we were talking a modern deck, you'd just shit out elves all day or drain your own life for a 10/10 Death's Shadow.

Jokes aside, somebody's pointing a gun at you don't fuck around, it's that simple. And a quick FYI, Colt AR-15s are semi-auto... But there's a full auto rifle that's also referred to as an AR-15 so there's a slight chance that the officer decided to fire 5 individual times.

Pretty sure semi-auto only has a 3-round burst, doesn't it? That was clearly 5 rounds, so he was probably squeezing with moderate discretion.

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Basically, what Yoshiiki said. I did overlook the whole "easier to deal with variables if they're at a lower stance" thing, so I'll admit missing it.

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Also, this. As much as I have to disagree and felt the cop was being too aggressive, etc, it's hard to fully judge a situation from an outsider's perspective. That said, the purpose of an oversight committee is usually to determine if someone in an organization acted in a way that was detrimental to the organization as a whole. They're not always present (if ever) in these kinds of situations, so they have to take testimonies, read statements, and come to a decision based on what evidence is available. They felt there was sufficient cause for him to be tried, so I have to trust that they were acting with objective reasoning and proper judgment. On the other hand, recent events with the FBI shows even the guys meant to keep law enforcement from fucking up aren't infallible, either. It's a mixed bag, and while I disagree with Yoshiiki's justifications on the cops behavior, I have to agree that, not being in that situation and experiencing it myself, I can't properly judge the cop. I can only offer a biased opinion on the matter.

-Snip of awesome reasoning-.

At the end of the day, you're right that all we can do is say "next time" and hope there isn't a "next time." It also comes down to training, which police do lack at times. The cop was properly trained, yes, but clearly still influenced by emotion. He's thinking if he fucks up, him and his entire squad are dead and the suspect is turned loose in a building full of civilians. Do I think the cop was being a bit too aggressive? Yes. Do I think he fired too many rounds? Yes. But, do I disagree that shooting the suspect was the wrong decision? Not really. As you've already pointed out, the cop was being clear with his instructions and gave the suspect multiple opportunities (more than he should have) to cooperate. The suspect fucked up multiple times. The cop is already on edge without unnecessarily risking his life and the lives of his squad. You either shoot, or get shot. All other choices become irrelevant in that situation, and saying "well, but..." after the fact is meaningless. He made a judgment call, and while I am opposed to his handling of the situation, I won't dispute the conclusion he arrived at.

In the end, this police officer will be judged, he killed a man. I do believe that he may need a longer break from work and some help from a specialist.
Always think what you would do in such case: You are called because you got informed that there is an armed guy, he acts weird, your life is on the line. You don't know if he is reaching for a gun and if he is, you may get killed.

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He was tried and found not guilty by a jury. Take from that what you will. Also, that video was definitely an eye-opener. In an odd, well-meaning show of honesty, CNN undergoes a similar experience.

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[Pervy]

In what world do you have enough lands to cast Avenger, Doubling Season and Cathar's Crusade, then a Craterhoof without any ramp? I mean holy fuck that's more lands than most decks even have in them!

just have a mana reflection in play or rites in play.
That said, if it's so late in the game and since our opponents colors nail them down on something without viable counterspell the appropriate response is pretty easy actually.:

'Alright, finally you drop all your creatures, was waiting for that, Winding canyons into massacre wurm gg no re.'

 

[super_slicer]

Jesus christ multi-quote's a shit now innit?

EDH/Commander, buddy. You obviously have Cathar's Crusade/Doubling Season up the turn prior, and then push with Avenger/Hoof on the follow-up. If we were talking a modern deck, you'd just shit out elves all day or drain your own life for a 10/10 Death's Shadow.

That's not the sequence of events you described. And no, nobody in commander is letting you keep a doubling season on the board unless they're priming you for a wipe.

Pretty sure semi-auto only has a 3-round burst, doesn't it? That was clearly 5 rounds, so he was probably squeezing with moderate discretion.

You've been grossly misinformed, semi-automatic firearms only fire once for every pull of the trigger.

just have a mana reflection in play or rites in play.
That said, if it's so late in the game and since our opponents colors nail them down on something without viable counterspell the appropriate response is pretty easy actually.:

'Alright, finally you drop all your creatures, was waiting for that, Winding canyons into massacre wurm gg no re.'

Doubling season and Cathar's Crusade nullify the -2/-2 massacre wurm gives (it's not doubled since it isn't counters). The proper response is to wipe, preferably with an artifact you have in play such as Nevinyrral's Disk or Perilous Vault. Sure whatever you've got on the board is gone too but you've taken out Doubling Season (Crusade's a problem too, but late game EDH players are going for big creatures not a mob of small ones).

 

[Ninja_Named_Bob]

Putting discussion aside to post news...

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Apparently, a Clinton backer paid women during the election to accuse Trump of having sexually-assaulted them, which the MSM in turn reported. So, if nothing else, it really should activate your almonds about sexual assault allegations, that being to confirm it's true rather than assuming. I'm not saying all allegations or false or the victims shouldn't be believed, but to simply approach it as you would any other accusation, that being with a heavy dose of skepticism and desire to get all the facts before arriving at a decision.

That's not the sequence of events you described. And no, nobody in commander is letting you keep a doubling season on the board unless they're priming you for a wipe.

Most people have spent the game countering the other, more pressing threats to realize what you're capable of. With prior experience, sure, they'll hold up counters to stop you from going off. Problem is, if you've got Doubling Season and Cathar's up, there's the chance you're not just throwing them down for setup and have a way of keeping at least one of them around. Your opponent has to play with the assumptions that 1) You're going to protect them, or 2) they can politics your ass into not killing them that turn. Then again, if you've got both DS and CC up, the table is getting their shit slapped, anyways.

You've been grossly misinformed, semi-automatic firearms only fire once for every pull of the trigger.

So I have.

Doubling season and Cathar's Crusade nullify the -2/-2 massacre wurm gives (it's not doubled since it isn't counters). The proper response is to wipe, preferably with an artifact you have in play such as Nevinyrral's Disk or Perilous Vault. Sure whatever you've got on the board is gone too but you've taken out Doubling Season (Crusade's a problem too, but late game EDH players are going for big creatures not a mob of small ones).

Really depends on the deck, hombre. On the one hand, DS is generally a better target to hit regardless of what might come next. Cathar's Crusade, however, can get out of hand in something like Tribal Cats, Ghaive, etc basically anything that puts tons of bodies on the board without much effort. I would rather have Aura Shards and something to flash in if I see a DS entering play than risk my own board on the hopes that maybe I'll survive another turn.

 

[Pervy]

Doubling season and Cathar's Crusade nullify the -2/-2 massacre wurm gives (it's not doubled since it isn't counters). The proper response is to wipe, preferably with an artifact you have in play such as Nevinyrral's Disk or Perilous Vault. Sure whatever you've got on the board is gone too but you've taken out Doubling Season (Crusade's a problem too, but late game EDH players are going for big creatures not a mob of small ones).

Damn Slicer, why you keep doing this to yourself.:

Cathars crusade has a triggered ability to which you can respond at instant speed thanks to winding canyons. Obviously you stack it in response to all the crusade triggers, as the creatures all enter the game at the same time and Massacre wurms ability resolves first it triggers and the opponent loses 4x lands they control life on an avenger of zendikar/doubling season in play, at the very least 24 in most green decks, considering we get a beastmasters and an AoZ drop in one turn we're looking at a life-loss of 36, lethal to anything non heavy on white(or rarely black) even in lategame edh.
After all the creatures died you can go wild with the crusade triggers from the stack.

That said, if I see a doubling season, that has to go ASAP, just in case there's a walker drop coming. Creatures you can handle in various ways by comparison.

 

[Hentaispider]

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TL;DR Intel's CPUs have a serious security flaw, and fixing it(which has to be done at the OS level) will cause performance issues.

 

[Yoshiiki]

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TL;DR Intel's CPUs have a serious security flaw, and fixing it(which has to be done at the OS level) will cause performance issues.

Oh snap, this is going to be bad for Intel (not much, but still)...
AMD however, should use this for it's sales.

 

[XSI]

We already knew intel was terrible, and actively builds in security flaws for their friends at the NSA, they literally said so in press releases

But it's not like we have much of a choice. It's them or AMD, and AMD isn't really up there in performance just yet last I checked

 

[Yoshiiki]

We already knew intel was terrible, and actively builds in security flaws for their friends at the NSA, they literally said so in press releases

But it's not like we have much of a choice. It's them or AMD, and AMD isn't really up there in performance just yet last I checked

It's hard to be "up there" if you lack tech that your competitor has patent on and won't share. Unless working and effective alternative is available: lol - nope.

 

[super_slicer]

Damn Slicer, why you keep doing this to yourself.:

Cathars crusade has a triggered ability to which you can respond at instant speed thanks to winding canyons. Obviously you stack it in response to all the crusade triggers, as the creatures all enter the game at the same time and Massacre wurms ability resolves first it triggers and the opponent loses 4x lands they control life on an avenger of zendikar/doubling season in play, at the very least 24 in most green decks, considering we get a beastmasters and an AoZ drop in one turn we're looking at a life-loss of 36, lethal to anything non heavy on white(or rarely black) even in lategame edh.
After all the creatures died you can go wild with the crusade triggers from the stack.

That said, if I see a doubling season, that has to go ASAP, just in case there's a walker drop coming. Creatures you can handle in various ways by comparison.

I have no clue what you're on about, it's EDH so you've only got 1 of each card, and neither of the ones you mentioned have a land destruction ability.

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Named the wrong cards?

In any event, exactly what are you hoping to kill with that -2/-2 in a G/W deck late game?

 

[Hentaispider]

We already knew intel was terrible, and actively builds in security flaws for their friends at the NSA, they literally said so in press releases

But it's not like we have much of a choice. It's them or AMD, and AMD isn't really up there in performance just yet last I checked

Actually they pretty much are since the release of their Zen-architecture. Ryzen is on par with Coffee Lake in IPC, the only thing holding it back is the manufacturing process which limits the frequencies.

 

[Pervy]

I have no clue what you're on about, it's EDH so you've only got 1 of each card, and neither of the ones you mentioned have a land destruction ability.

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Named the wrong cards?

In any event, exactly what are you hoping to kill with that -2/-2 in a G/W deck late game?

I didn't name the wrong cards and I'm not using any LD, what are you going on about? We're countering an Avenger of Zendikars token etb effect with a massacre wurm whoops you're dead now effect.

 

[super_slicer]

I didn't name the wrong cards and I'm not using any LD, what are you going on about? We're countering an Avenger of Zendikars token etb effect with a massacre wurm whoops you're dead now effect.

Damn Slicer, why you keep doing this to yourself.:

Cathars crusade has a triggered ability to which you can respond at instant speed thanks to winding canyons. Obviously you stack it in response to all the crusade triggers, as the creatures all enter the game at the same time and Massacre wurms ability resolves first it triggers and the opponent loses 4x lands they control life on an avenger of zendikar/doubling season in play, at the very least 24 in most green decks, considering we get a beastmasters and an AoZ drop in one turn we're looking at a life-loss of 36, lethal to anything non heavy on white(or rarely black) even in lategame edh.
After all the creatures died you can go wild with the crusade triggers from the stack.

That said, if I see a doubling season, that has to go ASAP, just in case there's a walker drop coming. Creatures you can handle in various ways by comparison.

Because you skipped a step and assumed you'd be killing things I was super confused and went 'huuuuuur lands? What lands?'. Unfortunately it's not going to work, if you respond to the crusade triggers his craterhoof will buff everything anyway (since he'll be playing it in response to your response, and it's a blanket ability so it bypasses the stack once craterhoof ETB) and if you've waited till after he's played the craterhoof all the crusade triggers will have resolved (don't even try to argue that he didn't wait for the crusade triggers to resolve and just threw the craterhoof onto the stack with them).

I'm not saying there aren't other responses to the situation, but a wipe is your best bet unless you've got your win condition set up for next turn (we'll assume he didn't forget about summoning sickness and it was his intention all along to use craterhoof to protect the tokens from any stack fuckery and not just to give his tokens trample they can't use).

 

[Pervy]

Unfortunately it's not going to work, if you respond to the crusade triggers his craterhoof will buff everything anyway (since he'll be playing it in response to your response, and it's a blanket ability so it bypasses the stack once craterhoof ETB) and if you've waited till after he's played the craterhoof all the crusade triggers will have resolved (don't even try to argue that he didn't wait for the crusade triggers to resolve and just threw the craterhoof onto the stack with them).

Advice here, genuine. Stop trying to argue with me slicer, you just make yourself look dumber each time.

Creature spells are cast at sorcery speed. That means:
Craterhoof can't be cast in response to massacre wurm being flashed in as it has no flash, creatures can only be cast on priority in main phase, check, but on an empty stack, not check.
In this scenario, Massacre wurm IS the win-con.

 

[super_slicer]

This is why I don't play green, it's shit and awful.

But since we've given him the perfect setup already and enough mana to throw out the crusade and doubling in the same turn, we've already jumped the shark sooooo

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There's really no other use for the card outside of this exact situation.Given that he's running a G/W token overrun, and it's the only cheap instant populate there's no reason for him not to have it in the deck.

Also, you sound like a spike. Are you a spike?

And no, no one reads this and thinks "Man Pervy's so smart and Slicer's so dumb!" They think: "Fuck, this shit again? Why won't these two just shut up and die already?"

 

[Ninja_Named_Bob]

Advice here, genuine. Stop trying to argue with me slicer, you just make yourself look dumber each time.

Creature spells are cast at sorcery speed. That means:
Craterhoof can't be cast in response to massacre wurm being flashed in as it has no flash, creatures can only be cast on priority in main phase, check, but on an empty stack, not check.
In this scenario, Massacre wurm IS the win-con.

Vedalken Orrery, you literal shit player.

This is why I don't play green, it's shit and awful.

But since we've given him the perfect setup already and enough mana to throw out the crusade and doubling in the same turn, we've already jumped the shark sooooo

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There's really no other use for the card outside of this exact situation.Given that he's running a G/W token overrun, and it's the only cheap instant populate there's no reason for him not to have it in the deck.

Or I run White Sun's Zenith and cast it at instant speed when the blue player is already preoccupied. Goddamn, that card you're showing is hot garbage. Never talk to me or my Seleson again.

And no, no one reads this and thinks "Man Pervy's so smart and Slicer's so dumb!" They think: "Fuck, this shit again? Why won't these two just shut up and die already?"

I think you're both trying to one-up the other like a couple of spergs while arguing semantics and overlooking shit people actually play while referring to garbage tech nobody with even the faintest grasp on the game would touch. Basically,

Spoiler

 

[Yoshiiki]

Spoiler

Hypocrisy much? xD

 

[Pervy]

Vedalken Orrery, you literal shit player.

Cop: I'll drop an Avenger of Zendikar with Doubling Season and Cathar's |Crusade on the board, then Green Sun's Zenith to go into Craterhoof. I'll play Beastmaster's Ascension and go to combat. 400 Saporlings, Crater hoof, and Avenger all with Tramp swinging your way.

1. You don't get to add in more random cards already on the battlefield to change the game situation
2. Orerry is a subpar card in this deck composition. Even if you badly want flash the thing you play in a creature and enchant heavy deck is winding canyons, to have the ability on a land and run artifact hate cards easily.
3. Damn at least slicer ain't a hypocrite you know.

 

[Yoshiiki]

Lol, duel me faggets.

 

[Pervy]

You can't handle my wargreymon.