Magic: The Gathering

[cross_grave]

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Thanks. I'll see if I can build something useful out of this...

I suggest anyone that wants a free schooling at MtG (note: free) downloads Magic Workstation and then plays me online

Dammit. I don't think that I can pay for it.

 

[Goldstein]

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I hate to necro, but when I saw we already had a thread for this, I thought it was better than the alternative.

Recently got both a Sliver Queen and Legion for my Slivers EDH deck. Of course, that means putting in Mana Echoes. I also decided to try out the very silly combination of Ghostflame Sliver and All is Dust.

Anyone else play EDH here?

 

[super_slicer]

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I have no clue what EDH is. But I do have a sliver deck. How do you compensate for the shear amount of mana types you need? I've thrown in a few myrs, so I can get them out with any mana, and have another mana color to use.

 

[freeko]

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EDH = Elder Dragon Highlander

You have 1 card that you set aside as your general (which was originally an elder dragon). You may only play spells of the color(s) that your general has and any artifacts that do not have a colored mana symbol on them. So if you have say Eladmiri, Lord of Leaves as your general then you can only play green cards and artifacts that have colorless or green mana in their casting costs or abilities.

The decks are exactly 100 cards so that basically means the deck itself is 99 cards plus the general card. Aside from basic lands you may only play 1 copy of a card in your deck.

Thats pretty much the basics of what EDH is. There are all kinds of silly rules that go specifically for EDH but I wont bother with that stuff.

 

[super_slicer]

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Are creature cards counted as spells?

 

[freeko]

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obviously yes

 

[Nunu]

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slivers are massively powerfull in EDH, especialy if you pack a sliver overloard because yuor like, hmmm... what do i need... i know, i'll give every creature i own shroud next turn, then i'll give then tap for any mana colour, then i'll pull out my sliver queen to generate infinite slivers because they all have haste aqnd can sacrifice for 2 mana and my heartstone reduces the generation cost by 1. and now my entire deck is in play. and i have infinite infinite/infinite cant be targeted regenerating creatures with every ability and then some.

 

[Goldstein]

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Yeah, they are really powerful. I promised myself that I'd never try to go infinite on purpose; never tutor for it specifically. But if I happen to draw that Mana Echoes, well...

@super_slicer; I run 37 lands. That includes three that tap for any color, eight fetchlands that can go get me the color I need, and quite a few different lands that tap for multiple colors. I also run a Coalition Relic and a couple different cards that go get me lands. I think it's also probably easier to get the colors you need in this format, since you have such a variety of cards that you're almost certain to have lands that match the cards you get.

I could post the list if you wanted to see.

 

[super_slicer]

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Nah, I don't really play anymore. Just a couple of old friends once and a while. I got out after the block that had the myr cards in it. Everything started to feel to gimmicky (Kamigawa I'm looking at you) for me, and I was never that good in the first place! (I build/built theme decks, that are interesting, but usually not effective [also, steamroller ftl])

But yeah, I can definately see why you'd have no problem throwing out any sliver in your hand after a couple turns.

 

[freeko]

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Kamigawa block was the last competitive play I did. I got straight up screwed in Grand Prix: Salt Lake. I should have made day 2 of the event but was given a match loss going into the last round of day 1 which put me outside the record needed to make day 2. The reason I was given a match loss you ask? My opponent broke four of the sleeves of my deck sleeves shuffling my deck in the previous round. I was given a penalty of a match loss after that match was completed isntead of being able to replace my sleeves and continue.

I played in the qualifier the next day and was banned from the game for 1.5 years on purpose from colluding before the finals of a tournament to allow some local to win the tournament in exchange for pretty much the whole prize support aside from the pro tour invitiation in the tournament.

As for my EDH deck, I shut down slives so so easily. You need to have some manner of an answer for Linvala or your whole deck is just useless.

 

[super_slicer]

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Maybe, if you're using slivers that have "Pay # for effect" or "tap". Most of mine just give the effect, sure I'm limited to just using a brute-strength stratagy, but when I've got 8 7/7's with flying, first strike and double strike, that angel can go fuck itself.

But that's the exact kind of thing I'm talking about. That one card is disgustingly powerful. TBH if anyone whipped that out on me, I'd forfiet, then sock them in the face.

 

[freeko]

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In almost all competitive play thats my general. Otherwise I use Lin-Sivvi as my general in casual games. The thing that most sliver decks have to deal with in competitive play is that the other three people at the table playing will almost always look to get rid of them first.

 

[Goldstein]

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Linvala really isn't that hard to deal with. Yeah, she shuts down most slivers, but the deck would be useless if it was just slivers. Besides that, there's still hunter sliver, and probably a few others.

The table does usually gun for slivers, true. But slivers should really be fast enough to win that race.

 

[Nunu]

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I dont really play much but i enjoy making decks. although i've been entierly surrounded by competetive players so i'm built for hard decks.

 

[super_slicer]

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Oh, I'm talking about in regular play, alot of my decks (and now that I think about it, the people who I play with as well) have a strong emphasis around activated abilities. That card destroys at least 3 of my decks abilities to do much of anything aside from putting creatures on the field.

 

[Nunu]

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One of my friends made an elder highlander deck, it was horrible to play against. near creatureless and blue black. It felt like playing in mud as a sliver deck slowed to a crawl and then stopped.

i had 4 creatures and 8 land out against their complete lack of defences and my only option was to concede.

 

[Goldstein]

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What were they doing that you conceded? Just super heavy on control?

Also, does anyone have any experience with any of the computer based Magic programs? I'm not very interested in Magic Online, since the real cards are expensive enough, but I know there are a couple others.

 

[Nunu]

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I play magic 2012 a bit. also i looked into apprentice but that seems to be more than a few sets behind.

also their deck is like precontrol, it uses back to basics, stasis, things that make spells cost more and give creatures upkeep.

so you never untap and if you manage to scrape a few mana together all your spells are twice as expencive.

 

[Iggy]

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I myself am working on building my first EDH Deck. It's going to be a Blue-Green Combo Deck with Momir Vig as my general.

 

[Nunu]

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i'll fight some people in apprentice if they get some set packs that make it reasonably up to date. it will be just like EDH.

edit: i found a program that lets you create new sets for apprentice, so i can now build any deck i want. anyone game?