Kyrieru's new game!

[textbook703]

Re: Kyrieru's new game!

People worry too much about being 'tricked' by shit like this.

Could this be a WILDLY implausible and elaborate scheme to steal $10 from a handful of people? Sure. But with even a cursory analysis of Kyrieru's identity online -- his blog, his posts, etc -- there is an attention to detail and sheer quantity of artistic discourse that makes it pretty fucking obvious that he's a legitimate artist and developer.

If you have so little belief in your capability to discern trustworthiness that you won't wager $10 on someone with an abundance of evidence corroborating their intentions (and social clout to match), how do you function in life?

And don't allow yourself the luxury of thinking "I am just a lone wolf that doesn't trust others" or "I have a dark past that left me suspicious of people" or some other bullshit excuse. Don't be a child. It just means you're terrified of others looking down on you for "being naive enough to fall for something like that". Grow up, and realize that the idiot is the one who never tries anything for fear of failure, not the one who tried everything and got scammed a few times.

 

[Deleted member 194301]

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There's also the fact that Kyrieru's a bit different than a company like, say, EA - he could really use the money from the preorders to finish the game more easily (not trying to pressure you here, dude, promise), whereas a large video game developer definitely doesn't need the money from preorders to keep going.

The only reason I usually preorder anything mass market is if I'm feeling charitable towards a Gamestop employee that's treated me well, and that's only for games that I want and that I know won't quickly lower in price (like Smash Bros., for example). Anyway, carry on.

 

[Penttiseta]

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I have never payed with paypal like that. I donated 20 dollars, how do i get the game when its finished, is the file sended to my e-mail or ?

 

[el duderino]

Re: Kyrieru's new game!

I have never payed with paypal like that. I donated 20 dollars, how do i get the game when its finished, is the file sended to my e-mail or ?

You'll receive an email with your order number, as well as a link from which you should be able to download the game once it is released.

 

[Penttiseta]

Re: Kyrieru's new game!

You'll receive an email with your order number, as well as a link from which you should be able to download the game once it is released.

Ah okay thanks =)

 

[CrazyPerson]

Re: Kyrieru's new game!

People worry too much about being 'tricked' by shit like this.

Ah, sorry if I came across like that. I'm not worried to be tricked - I trust Kyrieru, he makes good stuff and seems solid all-around.
Your description is pretty much spot-on. Just watch him give feedback to other people's sprites and games on here, that man is a fucking national treasure.

All I meant to say is, the future isn't perfectly predictable.
If a game is for sale now, I can buy it and be reasonably sure I'll get it ~now if the retailer has their shit together, or get a refund.
However, if it's planned sometime in the future, it's not just about the intent of everyone involved -
People can get sick, computers and backups can break, governments can pass crappy laws...

Is any of that likely? No. Is it possible? Sure.
Some people would say "meh, shit happens." and move on.
Others would rage and rant for days about how they were promised something and now it didn't happen.
All I'm saying is, if you're part of that second group, you might want to think twice. Most likely, though, nothing will happen.

Full disclosure: I preordered, and donated for good measure. I like to support people, I just don't like folks blindly rushing into purchases without thinking it over.

 

[dot_slave3]

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Ah, sorry if I came across like that. I'm not worried to be tricked - I trust Kyrieru, he makes good stuff and seems solid all-around.
Your description is pretty much spot-on. Just watch him give feedback to other people's sprites and games on here, that man is a fucking national treasure.

All I meant to say is, the future isn't perfectly predictable.
If a game is for sale now, I can buy it and be reasonably sure I'll get it ~now if the retailer has their shit together, or get a refund.
However, if it's planned sometime in the future, it's not just about the intent of everyone involved -
People can get sick, computers and backups can break, governments can pass crappy laws...

Is any of that likely? No. Is it possible? Sure.
Some people would say "meh, shit happens." and move on.
Others would rage and rant for days about how they were promised something and now it didn't happen.
All I'm saying is, if you're part of that second group, you might want to think twice. Most likely, though, nothing will happen.

Full disclosure: I preordered, and donated for good measure. I like to support people, I just don't like folks blindly rushing into purchases without thinking it over.

actually i did some calculation
he already made some good sell but this is just only compare to other indie hentai maker
trust me that's hardly enough for living
i guess people will agree about average hentai game have a not that good quality
because simply we don't have a big hentai game market without dlsite and dmm
that's why we can't get more great hentai game
i guess if he try make normal indie game it's possible to make
more money than hentai game
i don't think he trying to buy castle just try make money for next game
we don't have good market?
then somebody need to open the wallet

god i'm so drunk now

 

[omp1234]

Re: Kyrieru's new game!

"Do you people really want to risk spending $5 on a game that might not live up to its expectations? What if he dies and nothing happens, and the game is never finished?"

Are we in the Nigerian Great Depression? It's five bucks. He released two full games already, and they were both fantastic. He needs the money now, and he has a full demo full of proof that the game is being worked on. If he dies or runs off to Indonesia with your pocket change, though highly unlikely, then just be happy that you got scammed for a relatively inconsequential amount of money. When you get burned out of $50, THEN you can start getting pissed.

 

[Larcx]

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"Do you people really want to risk spending $5 on a game that might not live up to its expectations? What if he dies and nothing happens, and the game is never finished?"

Are we in the Nigerian Great Depression? It's five bucks. He released two full games already, and they were both fantastic. He needs the money now, and he has a full demo full of proof that the game is being worked on. If he dies or runs off to Indonesia with your pocket change, though highly unlikely, then just be happy that you got scammed for a relatively inconsequential amount of money. When you get burned out of $50, THEN you can start getting pissed.

What's that have to do with Indonesia?

Some people are rich that they want throw/spent 5-10$ on something they like , it's their problem not yours
Though I on the other hand prefer spent 5-10$ when that game it's actually out/release

 

[wootaru]

Re: Kyrieru's new game!

"Do you people really want to risk spending $5 on a game that might not live up to its expectations? What if he dies and nothing happens, and the game is never finished?"

Are we in the Nigerian Great Depression? It's five bucks. He released two full games already, and they were both fantastic. He needs the money now, and he has a full demo full of proof that the game is being worked on. If he dies or runs off to Indonesia with your pocket change, though highly unlikely, then just be happy that you got scammed for a relatively inconsequential amount of money. When you get burned out of $50, THEN you can start getting pissed.

Even if he did do that I don't care, my "Pre-Order" Was a Donation for him to live and continue doing whatever he wants to do.

 

[Serifyn]

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actually i did some calculation
he already made some good sell but this is just only compare to other indie hentai maker
trust me that's hardly enough for living
i guess people will agree about average hentai game have a not that good quality
because simply we don't have a big hentai game market without dlsite and dmm
that's why we can't get more great hentai game
i guess if he try make normal indie game it's possible to make
more money than hentai game
i don't think he trying to buy castle just try make money for next game
we don't have good market?
then somebody need to open the wallet

god i'm so drunk now

This post is great in so many ways.

I will say however that some games do well enough for some developers to make a living off of it. For instance, Fenoxo makes thousands of dollars every month in donations on his games Champions of Corruption and Trials in Tainted space; some game franchises are bigger than others, like Monster Girl Quest for instance which has a very large following (due in large part to the translation efforts of Rogue i may add)

There is a market for Hentai games and it is largely untapped when compared to other games. But people love porn and people love games, porn and games together is a great match; but one which struggles to break into mainstream because of the taboo nature of porn; particularly many of the elements so many of us love such as Tentacles.

In many ways, Kyrieru's games are a potential icebreaker into mainstream industry, they are well done and fluid with great detail and because it is an action game, anyone can enjoy it regardless of the language they speak.

Until H-games get more daylight, it will be an underground phenomenon with a relatively small fanbase, but if you are passionate about Hentai and making games, i'd imagine that it was satisfaction enough knowing you are doing what you enjoy.

 

[Papanomics]

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"Do you people really want to risk spending $5 on a game that might not live up to its expectations? What if he dies and nothing happens, and the game is never finished?"

Are we in the Nigerian Great Depression? It's five bucks. He released two full games already, and they were both fantastic. He needs the money now, and he has a full demo full of proof that the game is being worked on. If he dies or runs off to Indonesia with your pocket change, though highly unlikely, then just be happy that you got scammed for a relatively inconsequential amount of money. When you get burned out of $50, THEN you can start getting pissed.

I think post like these is why Kyrieru really doesn't offer pre-orders regularly. It's optional, there is no bonus for doing it. I'm sure he appreciates it, but he's not expecting a certain number of people to pre-order.

 

[Kyrieru]

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Just to clarify, I make more than enough from games to make a living when I actually sell games. The reason that I (didn't) have any money before is is that I haven't sold a product since I made Eroico, which was more than a year ago.

I think I've broken it down before, but let me throw some numbers out there,

Kurovadis made around $30,000 in a year, which came out to around $21,000 after taxes. That may not sound like much, but that's just one game. If I were to develop two games in a year, I would have a fairly decent income. Games also continue to sell a little bit even after the first year, meaning that as my back catalogue grows, my passive income will increase.

So, why haven't I finished a game yet? Since I made Eroico, I've basically started and abandoned around three games (not including Noaika, which I'm working on), some with a complete set of player sprites, 2-4 complete enemies, some tilesets, backgrounds, music, etc. I also made drastic changes to Noaika early on, essentially turning it into a different game part way through.

With every project, it always came down to one problem. A perceived lack of time.

When I made Kurovadis and Eroico, making something small and simple worked to my benefit. It taught me what I needed to know about finishing games. However, starting simple and keeping it small has gone from being beneficial, to my biggest problem as a developer. Most of my games were abandoned like so,

1. Start small/simple
2. Develop for a month or two
3. Realize the game isn't fun enough. (lack of enemies, content, or unique gamplay)
4. Decide that I don't have time to add enough content to make a simple game work, or decide that I don't have enough time to work with complicated game mechanics over a long period of time,
5. Oh no! I haven't made a game in a while! Time to work on something small/simple....

At the time, I hadn't hadn't realized the cycle I was in. If this year has shown anything, it's that I did have time to finish any one of those projects. If I had, I'd be fine.

So, if I've learned anything this year, it's that I'm past the point of starting simple, and I shouldn't be afraid of working with complicated mechanics or graphics because I think "it will take too long". It won't. Doubt, and the absence of something I'm confident in slows me down more than anything else. The less I have to "fix" something because it started too small, the more I'll be able to just move forward, even if it takes 8 months to make a complicated game instead of the 4 months I always hope for from a small project.


As an aside, the only reason I resorted to pre-orders now is because I had to if I wanted to continue development safety. I don't do extra content or different versions, so there's no real reason for me to do it otherwise. Needless to say, hopefully I'll never find myself in this situation again, and I'm grateful to everyone who has supported me thus far.

 

[Penttiseta]

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If you do not want to pre-order dont. If you want to helpout indie game maker, then please do so. Simple as that, why make such a noise about it =D

 

[textbook703]

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If you do not want to pre-order dont. If you want to helpout indie game maker, then please do so. Simple as that, why make such a noise about it =D

Because there is likely to be, as always, a population of individuals who possess the means to donate, but simply don't, and their reasoning is unsound so we try to publicly denounce common thought processes in the hopes they'll hear us. In this situation, people may be applying a generalized "NO TRUST PERSON WHO ASK MONEY FOR PRODUCT UNLESS U CAN GRAB AND FACE PUNCHING IF TRY TO RUN AWAY AND NO PRODUCT" ideology without using critical thinking to determine if it applies well in the situation at hand.

Example: what if you knew Kyrieru lived down the street from you. If he doesn't seem like he's intent on delivering the game after you've given him money, you can run down there and beat him up or whatever. Would you preorder it then? No, because it's not worth risking your life (what if he's actually a tank? You don't know.) or going to prison over $10.

Thus, if your only reason for not preordering is that you are afraid you'll get scammed in a situation where you can't hold him accountable since it's on the internet, but we can also confidently say that you wouldn't actually hold him accountable anyway because the risks aren't worth $10, then him being anonymous doesn't matter anymore. If you'd donate $10 to your neighbor (because you can see his face etc) then you should also donate $10 to Kyrieru.

 

[Penttiseta]

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Because there is likely to be, as always, a population of individuals who possess the means to donate, but simply don't, and their reasoning is unsound so we try to publicly denounce common thought processes in the hopes they'll hear us. In this situation, people may be applying a generalized "NO TRUST PERSON WHO ASK MONEY FOR PRODUCT UNLESS U CAN GRAB AND FACE PUNCHING IF TRY TO RUN AWAY AND NO PRODUCT" ideology without using critical thinking to determine if it applies well in the situation at hand.

Example: what if you knew Kyrieru lived down the street from you. If he doesn't seem like he's intent on delivering the game after you've given him money, you can run down there and beat him up or whatever. Would you preorder it then? No, because it's not worth risking your life (what if he's actually a tank? You don't know.) or going to prison over $10.

Thus, if your only reason for not preordering is that you are afraid you'll get scammed in a situation where you can't hold him accountable since it's on the internet, but we can also confidently say that you wouldn't actually hold him accountable anyway because the risks aren't worth $10, then him being anonymous doesn't matter anymore. If you'd donate $10 to your neighbor (because you can see his face etc) then you should also donate $10 to Kyrieru.

Well... Has hes games not been *Wared* here before. Even if you do not donate or you donate you will get the game one way or another, if he finishes it. Popularity of his games sofar is kinda prove itself that he will finish it, unles he do not want money, and i highly doubt that =D. But maybe you are right, maybe i am just to kind and trusting, that i donate with no guarantee i get the game, but hye thas just me. All i sayed, if you do not wanto to donate, then dont make so big deal of it, like kyrieru sayed, its not neccesary to pre-order, but if you want to help him out, then pre-order it.

 

[dienow]

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So, why haven't I finished a game yet? Since I made Eroico, I've basically started and abandoned around three games (not including Noaika, which I'm working on), some with a complete set of player sprites, 2-4 complete enemies, some tilesets, backgrounds, music, etc. I also made drastic changes to Noaika early on, essentially turning it into a different game part way through.

So, you still have the assets for those attempted games, right? Makes it easy to pick them up later.

 

[echidna]

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So, you still have the assets for those attempted games, right? Makes it easy to pick them up later.

Yeah, I actually quite liked that fighting kind of game you were working on. Think you were onto something with that.

 

[sureaboutthis]

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I have great respect for someone who cares more about the quality of their product than the amount of dosh they get from it.

 

[textbook703]

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Well... Has hes games not been *Wared* here before. Even if you do not donate or you donate you will get the game one way or another, if he finishes it. Popularity of his games sofar is kinda prove itself that he will finish it, unles he do not want money, and i highly doubt that =D. But maybe you are right, maybe i am just to kind and trusting, that i donate with no guarantee i get the game, but hye thas just me. All i sayed, if you do not wanto to donate, then dont make so big deal of it, like kyrieru sayed, its not neccesary to pre-order, but if you want to help him out, then pre-order it.

That's my point though. People worry about being "too kind and trusting" way more than is warranted.

Imagine if someone lied to you, and you decided to never listen to anyone again. Yeah, some people lie, but it is absurd to remove that form of communication from all of humanity because you're terrified of the handful of negative outcomes you'll enable by using it. If everyone is so afraid of being seen as gullible, then we remove our ability to crowdsource.