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@Harley
I am tempted to revert to my normal save, but then I would lose my Clarity 2 essence. It's a pain to upgrade in makai mode, and probably a better idea to get +30s and then switch to Makai.
Screw the stars ._.

Stray cat +30 on normal only gives 17.8 MAG for me, cardinal's robe +30 gives 22.4. I'm not sure where you got your figures from.
Magic 2+Magic 1 Essence.
But Cardinal +30 gives much higher than expected. Guess it's worth leveling one to 30? (*thinks* if I can one with Magic 3)

There must be a difference in Makai then, since by default the seethrough should give much more MAG than the slitted underwear according to the wiki.
You forgot that stats is for when you are wearing it as a clothing. When you are wearing it as underwear it's much lower. (I haven't double-checked, but I recall it being 1.5 same as slit-underwear)

40%chance to lower target's def
oO That's a new red essence, (at least I don't remember it anymore) screenshot please~

I kind of of wanting to focus more on magic to truly make those guns useful. And some dex for backup weapons. Any advice?
To be honest, avoid magic and stick to dex. It's pretty brutal to go through the game on a magic build before you have your gears ready to go. If you are going to do magic build:

Discard all of the below:
Falcon Stake+6 (Dex2,Blind)
Granite Blade+4 (Earth2,Earth2)
Sailor's Uniform+11 (Vit1,Vit1,Vit1)
Bunny Suits+11 (Mdef2)
Lace-upped-boots+11
Rosary+4

Use the following instead:
Athame Knife (Strength 2, Strength 1)
Granite Blade (Strength 2, Strength 1)
Gothic Brassier
Slitted underwear or Seethrough swimsuit
Loafers
Clock-Engine

As you can see, it requires a complete different set of gears. Hence, think again before going "hey, magic is pretty neat and allow me to use Vanguard/Gunner's Bloom." Em no, magic has the lowest proc with 20% for vanguard and 30% for gunner's bloom. It's not a stats to focus on unless you are ready to swap all your gears and balance out strength and dex essence on your weapons. (Instead of the much more useful stats affecting essence)

In return, if you have the right setup and magi-tech 2 essence (which maybe drop one per 60 hours of gameplay?) you can get 40% proc on vanguard and 50% on gunner's. Still makes you a glass cannon though, since of all the defense you end up sacrificing.
 
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Ah, I already tested a bit with some of everyone's advice.

I haven't got cardinal robes nor stray cat. Dunno where to look for them.
And accidentally, my Magic stat is quite good.

And for between Vanguard Lance and Gunner's Bloom, I found that Vanguard Lance are better in crowded situation than Gunner's Bloom but Gunner's Bloom is better in 1-on-1 though it burns through ammo like out of style.

As for my equipment....

Vanguard Lance+11 (Paralysis1)
Gunner's Bloom+4 got a new one with red essence with 40%chance to lower target's def
Falcon Stake+6 (Dex2,Blind)
Granite Blade+4 (Earth2,Earth2)
Choker+9
Sailor's Uniform+11 (Vit1,Vit1,Vit1)
Bunny Suits+11 (Mdef2)
Silk Glove+7
Lace-upped-boots+11
Rosary+4

I kind of of wanting to focus more on magic to truly make those guns useful. And some dex for backup weapons. Any advice?

And is it just me, or for some reason Granite Blade is ridiculously useful to crack some mons head?
This is personal opinion, so feel free to disregard some of my advice.

I'm also interested in your gunner's broom, but I think you misread the description since no essence in the game matches what you said.

The problem with status-up essences at level 2 and above is they give you a boost to one attribute but take away from another. Dex is especially bad since it cuts strength, defence and magic resistance. If you upgrade the weapons, the boost to dex and penalty to the other 3 attributes becomes much more severe. If you're not willing to live with the penalties, swap out the dex2 for either stun or paralysis. Falcon stake has slightly less damage compared to the other 2-handed weapons so even the odds by stopping the opponent from attacking you.

Swap the earth in the granite blade for something else. The granite blade without essences deals earth damage by default, it's good for some enemies (black goat for example) but the damage type is resisted by a lot of other enemies. For my +22 granite blade, I normally use lightning.

The choker is not that useful unless you REALLY hate being silenced, blinded and confused. I'd advise the silver collar since it covers a lot of ailments. Another choice if you're facing a lot of cyclopses is the dog-collar.

You probably already know this, but essences in the bunny suit only work when it's worn as regular armour and not as underwear. Then again MDF2 is not a bad choice.

3-slot sailor uniform is good if you can't find anything better, but try and change the one of the VIT1 essences to VIT2 to free up a slot. You've probably realised the sailor uniform is really fragile compared to the armours, so you might want to add either silver or one of your earth2 essences into the armour to boost up the defence and MDF ratings.

Dragonpaladin prefers open-fingered gloves for the additional attacks, I prefer either the bracelet (more strength is always good) or the silver cuffs (this increases dexterity and MDF a lot, especially if you upgrade it to +30).

I prefer the well-rounded approach to building up my character, but the most important would probably be keeping defence and 我慢 high during the early phases of the game. Best defence armour is the default sister's outfit, but that agility penalty means you get hit much more often. A good compromise is the goth suit.

@Harley
I am tempted to revert to my normal save, but then I would lose my Clarity 2 essence. It's a pain to upgrade in makai mode, and probably a better idea to get +30s and then switch to Makai.
Screw the stars ._.

Magic 2+Magic 1 Essence.
But Cardinal +30 gives much higher than expected. Guess it's worth leveling one to 30? (*thinks* if I can one with Magic 3)

You forgot that stats is for when you are wearing it as a clothing. When you are wearing it as underwear it's much lower. (I haven't double-checked, but I recall it being 1.5 same as slit-underwear)


oO That's a new red essence, (at least I don't remember it anymore) screenshot please~

To be honest, avoid magic and stick to dex. It's pretty brutal to go through the game on a magic build before you have your gears ready to go. If you are going to do magic build:

Discard all of the below:
Falcon Stake+6 (Dex2,Blind)
Granite Blade+4 (Earth2,Earth2)
Sailor's Uniform+11 (Vit1,Vit1,Vit1)
Bunny Suits+11 (Mdef2)
Lace-upped-boots+11
Rosary+4

Use the following instead:
Athame Knife (Strength 2, Strength 1)
Granite Blade (Strength 2, Strength 1)
Gothic Brassier
Slitted underwear or Seethrough swimsuit
Loafers
Clock-Engine

As you can see, it requires a complete different set of gears. Hence, think again before going "hey, magic is pretty neat and allow me to use Vanguard/Gunner's Bloom." Em no, magic has the lowest proc with 20% for vanguard and 30% for gunner's bloom. It's not a stats to focus on unless you are ready to swap all your gears and balance out strength and dex essence on your weapons. (Instead of the much more useful stats affecting essence)

In return, if you have the right setup and magi-tech 2 essence (which maybe drop one per 60 hours of gameplay?) you can get 40% proc on vanguard and 50% on gunner's. Still makes you a glass cannon though, since of all the defense you end up sacrificing.
Clarity = 意思? That's not difficult to get if you run the arachne enough.
I thought so, I don't use status up essences on my equipment (bar 生命2) so I can read off the stats as they normally should be.

I did indeed forget the underwear penalty for the dual-purpose outfits, looking at the penalty slit-underwear is better than the seethrough.

To be honest, increasing the magic stat just to boost average damage from two guns is really not worth it. Unless your playstyle is to hoard scrolls of judgment, most of the time the stat to focus on for killing is strength and dexterity. My early builds completely ignored strength, preferring instead to make up the damage using upgraded weapons. Dexterity should come naturally if you pick the correct combination of equipment, even my current build has close to 60 unarmed thanks to max upgrades to the right underwear, gloves and boots.
 
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To be honest, increasing the magic stat just to boost average damage from two guns is really not worth it.
Agreed. The only reason you see my PC aiming for magic stats is because my entire PC is built so. I am willing to sacrificing most if not all my crowd control (redemption aside) for raw damage. (magic and cc doesn't mix outside of redemption due to requiring stats boosting essence) Harley has a much easier time surviving against a surround than me if he gets jumped. And can dive much deeper than me in terms of dungeons. All I got is raw firepower, which means quick runs and random death. (It's suitable for my no-mistake or death play style, but I won't suggest it)

Clarity = 意思? That's not difficult to get if you run the arachne enough.
Seeing that I usually feed upon vampire knights, that's kinda difficult.
In Makai, the 4.5k repair cost on burial blade scarred me. Same with lack of cost reduction after using upgrade scrolls. Going back to normal and then farming out 意思2 again might be in order.

@Harley
According to Wikis, the newest patch give Magic Map scrolls this additional effect. +3 to floors at next door. *blink blink* I am going to hoard them <3
Each scroll is +9 floors in total, get a inventory of 20 of them and you end up at floor 180+ xD
 
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Thanks to both Dragon and Harley. I don't have the newest update/patch but those maps already gave +3 floor when used for each. How many attacks extra do open gloves give at +30? I figured the .05 attack was static and gave 5% chance for an extra attack
 

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Agreed. The only reason you see my PC aiming for magic stats is because my entire PC is built so. I am willing to sacrificing most if not all my crowd control (redemption aside) for raw damage. (magic and cc doesn't mix outside of redemption due to requiring stats boosting essence) Harley has a much easier time surviving against a surround than me if he gets jumped. And can dive much deeper than me in terms of dungeons. All I got is raw firepower, which means quick runs and random death. (It's suitable for my no-mistake or death play style, but I won't suggest it)

Seeing that I usually feed upon vampire knights, that's kinda difficult.
In Makai, the 4.5k repair cost on burial blade scarred me. Same with lack of cost reduction after using upgrade scrolls. Going back to normal and then farming out 意思2 again might be in order.

@Harley
According to Wikis, the newest patch give Magic Map scrolls this additional effect. +3 to floors at next door. *blink blink* I am going to hoard them <3
Each scroll is +9 floors in total, get a inventory of 20 of them and you end up at floor 180+ xD
If you want spiders and black knights together, then I recommend the catacombs. You even get ghouls as well so if you lack paralysis essences you'll get plenty of chances.

The 導きの糸 and map scroll have been giving +3 to dungeon level for months now. It's annoying for the former when I want to stay out and accidentally trip on one. The latter I use early on but I leave them along when I'm deep in.

You DO NOT want to go to level 120 in any dungeon, not unless you have confidence that your weapons can 1-shot monsters with an average of 115-125 level. I beat a hydraplant once which was over level 100, the AOE tentacle attack wiped out over 100 hp alone from range with my defence close to 60.

I just finished a railway run at level 69 (small monster-only room). Limiting factor for my runs is how long my armour can last and my inventory space. My last few runs saw me take out 2 huge monster lairs on average and pick up over 12 items from the dungeons. After a while I keep having to return to the church to clear my stash especially with my essences occupying 85 out of 100 slots.

Thanks to both Dragon and Harley. I don't have the newest update/patch but those maps already gave +3 floor when used for each. How many attacks extra do open gloves give at +30? I figured the .05 attack was static and gave 5% chance for an extra attack
0.05 to the open-fingered gloves is fixed and doesn't improve with upgrades.

According to the formula at this page:

Attacks per round really depend more on your level than on your equipment. Unless your weapon also has a bonus, 0.05 extra attacks is piddling compared to what you could get in return from equipment with a bigger boost to stats.
 

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Ah well. Guess I need to throw the magic build away.

Anyhoo.....right now I wanted to make a dex build. Especially since I got a unique red essence shadow element limb-fire (though I'm quite sure it will be useless in the graveyard or undead enemy though it seems most living enemy weak agaisnt it).

And I also notice that dex with gun built can deal quite horrific damage......but burns ammo fast. and Not very sturdy...at least not as glass cannon as Magic build.

So, Any good equip for dex built equip?

And I also notice that I'm indeed in easy mode (I can see numbers beside the destination whenever I reach a door), and already tried a bit in Makai...and shi....it is brutal for starting in Makai.

...Or might as well to start a new game in Normal


Just hope I can restart, new game + in normal since I keep failing to meet the last two bosses.
 
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Ah well. Guess I need to throw the magic build away.

Anyhoo.....right now I wanted to make a dex build. Especially since I got a unique red essence shadow element limb-fire (though I'm quite sure it will be useless in the graveyard or undead enemy though it seems most living enemy weak agaisnt it).

And I also notice that dex with gun built can deal quite horrific damage......but burns ammo fast. and Not very sturdy...at least not as glass cannon as Magic build.

So, Any good equip for dex built equip?

And I also notice that I'm indeed in easy mode (I can see numbers beside the destination whenever I reach a door), and already tried a bit in Makai...and shi....it is brutal for starting in Makai.

...Or might as well to start a new game in Normal


Just hope I can restart, new game + in normal since I keep failing to meet the last two bosses.
If you're referring to the darkness element, it's actually not that good since just the one boss is weak to it while more than 10 regular enemies have resistance. A red-essence darkness is quite rare since only one enemy drops it, if yours is a 闇3 then congratulations because that's probably the hardest in the game to find.

Which gun to pick is important. If you're intent on sticking with the vanguard and gunner's broom, then ammo consumption and weapon durability will definitely be a problem for long-haul dungeon runs. I use limbfire and that wears out fairly quickly despite the low ammo consumption per combat round, on the other hand averaging 60+ damage on most enemies with fresh guns is definitely viable for damage.

Both Belle and the headless count are definitely in easy mode, the question is whether your character can survive in the dungeon long enough for them to turn up. For Belle, start from the water wheel and make your way to the city guardhouse. That's 12 levels minimum even with the magic map and/or shortcut trap. For the headless count, starting from the gravekeeper's shack or the water wheel with the final destination being the hollow tree will also take at least 12 levels. If the headless count won't show, dawdle by switching between locations and advancing the dungeon level counter (for example one away from hollow tree, take any exit other than hollow tree and then the hollow tree exit again back and forth until the count turns up).

Kill both bosses and the PC's personal room should be unlocked. You should be able to move up a difficulty level from there. Otherwise if you're fed up starting a fresh game in normal is also fine. Take note that the character stats from level-up are far less pronounced than in easy.

For dexterity characters, simply equip the armour which gives you a dexterity bonus along with accessories like the silver cuffs and lace-up boots. Upgrade them enough at the blacksmith and your dexterity stat should be covered. When using guns, try and afford the nicer ammunition like mithril and plasma. Silver bullets are a minimum, only use normal bullets from drops when you're out of ammunition.
 

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Ah, I see. Thank you very much for the advice.....

And one more question. I know a lot of people keep saying that you can upgrade from the blacksmith. But problem is, I never ever have the option to do that.

When talking with the blacksmith and choose the second option, there's reinforce and alchemy correct? For some reason I never get any reinforce list even with my Laced Up Boots that I have been using ever since I started the game.

I notice that some people said that the more you use them (and repair them) the more + you can add. Is it by any chance that using a repair and full repair scroll reset this number?
 

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Ah, I see. Thank you very much for the advice.....

And one more question. I know a lot of people keep saying that you can upgrade from the blacksmith. But problem is, I never ever have the option to do that.

When talking with the blacksmith and choose the second option, there's reinforce and alchemy correct? For some reason I never get any reinforce list even with my Laced Up Boots that I have been using ever since I started the game.

I notice that some people said that the more you use them (and repair them) the more + you can add. Is it by any chance that using a repair and full repair scroll reset this number?
The penalty for playing in easy mode is complete inability to upgrade your gear outside of using scrolls!

In normal at least, scrolls 1. restore maximum durability and 2. do count towards the required equipment usage necessary for upgrades. Dragonpaladin says it's a little harder in Makai since scrolls don't contribute to eligibility for equipment upgrades but regular repairs contribute all the same.

I've upgraded weapons and equipment to +30 both from scrolls and via the blacksmith. The scrolls reduced the upgrade cost gradually from the original cost of close to 10000 etc. for +29 to +30 to something more manageable.
 

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Ah, no wonder. That should answer all if not most of my questions.

And oh, I forgot to tell that for the gun that pique my interests are

Revolver Cannon - Huge damage and have innate ability to knockback, but horridly inaccurate since it keeps missing against that dang bone in a tuxedo or agile enemy.

Automator - This one just because I have a nice big + in storage. What's the difference between automator and limb fire? Which one is better?

Vanguard's Lance - While won't be the number one because of previous discussion, since very little enemy resist this gun damage, I will keep it around for special occasion.

While for the backup melee

Falcon's Stake - Since piercing weapon depends on Dex, I want to utilize the dex built to the fullest. Too bad the one that usually resist Pierce is the most annoying. Which lead us to the other backup weapon

Granite Blade - Want to add Atk2, Atk2 (Since I can't find Atk3 yet) or Atk2, Thunder1/or better.
 
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Revolver Cannon: One of only 2 sources of crushing damage in the game and the only one to do so at range. The drawback (all weapons have drawbacks) is reduced number of attacks and poor accuracy until upgraded.

A few tough enemies are vulnerable to crushing damage so it might be worth keeping the revolver. The tuxedo skeleton has innately high dodge but this can be countered by finding a revolver with a slot and installing an elemental essence.

Automator: Maximum 3 slots compared to the limbfire's 4. +1 range and MUCH higher rate of fire but less damage per shot and only has 18 durability to the limbfire's 24. Basically a high-damage pair of guns that wears out quickly and requires a constant stock of spare ammunition.

Falcon Stake: This is actually my default weapon since I found one with Wind1 essence. It wears out quickly but that's what my backup weapons are for. Don't underestimate the stinger+stepback+step-in combination, it's surprisingly effective if you find a weapon with slots.

Granite Blade: ATK2 and above gives a penalty to dexterity, so the more the weapon is upgraded the less likely you're actually going to score a hit. ATK3 weapons are red-essence drops only so no guarantee you'll find it on the weapon you want.

My personal configuration is: 雷3, 暗闇1、睡眠1.

Assuming your character can handle it, the easiest way of finding weapons and equipment with slots is to stay out in dungeons past level 20. Before level 10 you'll almost never see equipment and weapons with even a single slot but it becomes far more common in the deeper levels of a dungeon.

@DragonPaladin: Randomly stumbled on this URL:

That Draa user, equipment looks vaguely familiar. Wouldn't be someone you or I know?
 
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Imo, revolved should be avoided outside of using scatter bullet, it has high damage per shot/low ammo-consumption but also low accuracy and no double shot. It's a cannon and hard to use effectively, but an excellent candidate scatter bullet for cleaning up rooms. (Push back essence stacks)

Automator: Requires you to have a lot of DEX to actually use these effectively, they burn through bullets like hot-knife through butter. As Harley said, Limb-fire, due to having one more slot & a bit more damage & more durability is usually the better alternative.

(OTOH, they are probably the best magic-based gun where most of your damage comes from Clock-Engine + Magi-Tech 2 essence)

Granite blade: Avoid it, it's not a dex-based weapon. It's strength based. Use thrusting weapon where they get a bonus from dex instead. (Like falcon's stake)

That Draa user, equipment looks vaguely familiar. Wouldn't be someone you or I know?
That's me, my nickname is Draa.
 

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I've tried on and off for days and days trying to patch my game to work again, but have been unsuccessful. Would someone be so kind as to share their patch folder? Or alternately a screen shot of what their patch folder looks like? Maybe I can find the files I'm missing.

Thanks!
 

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Okay.....I have changed some of my equip to be more dex build. It's satisfying right now and I found a 3 slot Rapier with a thunder 2 built in. So it will be my main weapon for clearing the dungeoun till I found the boss. Problem is.....I STILL can't find the boss.

Just a bit of question.....I already got the A restless night and A Eve key icon in the instructions.....and whenever I choose them, there always the options of Change or Don't change. Could it be this is the switch to activate the boss for those two places (Belle and Dullahan)?
 

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Just a bit of question.....I already got the A restless night and A Eve key icon in the instructions.....and whenever I choose them, there always the options of Change or Don't change. Could it be this is the switch to activate the boss for those two places (Belle and Dullahan)?
They are indeed boss trigger, make sure they are on (あり?) before you start farming bosses at floor 7+. Specifically, there's a trigger at the bottom of catacrypt and another at the end of graveyard (hole in a tree) which you need to trigger to activate
1) Bosses
2) Get fusion material (Catacrypt gives Cross-fire (dex), which is the better of the two. Hole in a tree gives the burial blade (strength), which is the stronger of the two)
 

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No wonder I can't find them. I feel like an idiot now. Thanks for the quick answer.

I'll activate them and start hunting again. Hopefully, I will be able to meet these elusive boss (always bring two scrolls of punishment just in case. I know it's not enough to kill the boss, but at least it is like an emergency button if I got into a jam. Is two enough?).
 

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I'll activate them and start hunting again. Hopefully, I will be able to meet these elusive boss (always bring two scrolls of punishment just in case. I know it's not enough to kill the boss, but at least it is like an emergency button if I got into a jam. Is two enough?).
Completely depends on how strong/deep/confident you are feeling.

For example, I usually carry 1 scroll of judgement and 1 scroll of sleep and expecting PC to pick up another scroll during the run during my usual farm. It's usually unneeded but darn useful to have it. (Scroll of sleep when judgement doesn't 1 hit)

Strong refers to your PC's survival and room clearing ability. You must have one or the other. (Dex is better with room clearing with scatter ammo, although mag's dawnstar is the strongest in terms of room clear)

Deep refers to how many flowers you are running. For Harley, farming starts at 30, for me, farming starts at 7 (And usually last until my inventory is full, since I usually farm for etc)

Confident wise, is completely dependent in game play experience. Me and Harley gets out of very nasty situation, but Harley still dies in a 3/4 way surround on a bad spawn. And I die from the same thing + randomly from any penetration/traps that does erotic things. (100% virgin run gives very random death)
 

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Ah yes, I do understand it.

100% Virgin run is really hard. Step into a tentacle/vibrator trap or some mons who prefer to shove it in before waiting for you to get binded/paralyzed/Ko'ed (I'm looking at you arachne and arachnid) means insta Ko.

While I quite confident clearing a room, but yes, bad spawn means big trouble (like that dog or ghoul who loves to spawn mobs and a very very bad news when they spawn it when they beside you and get surrounded).

My worst experience if I'm stuck in one big room surrounded by tons of mobs. Geez...
It's brutal.
 

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Depending on the dungeon, random drops can be very generous for the 1st 30 floors or so but the really good equipment only drops from 35 onwards.

If you're looking for expensive gear to sell, the general rule is to look for weapons/armour with 1. high +x (I've seen +9 armour and weapons as drops) and 2. lots of essences, hopefully level 2 and up. Shortswords/longswords with 4 red essences are not valuable because of the etc. worth, it's their ability to expand the socket of ANY weapon by 1, very valuable if you're trying to find maximum slot weapons but don't have the character to get past the 1st 30 dungeon levels.

I'm averaging 70-75 levels for my current railway runs. As a result I tend to pick up too many scrolls of judgement and repair and not enough loot. My current build has very high agility and dodge so a lot of the previous wear and tear on equipment is avoided for longer (provided I don't get surrounded). There's a tendency for the game engine to drop an even number of upgrade scrolls on dungeon floors, so weapon and armour upgrades in normal are very doable provided there's the etc. to pay for them.

If your character can survive two consecutive HUGE monster rooms without using a single scroll of judgment, then it's probably capable of running Makai mode. I actually look forward to the monster rooms now that I know they have decent gear and there's the courier box to move nice equipment to the storage box which I can empty when I make it back to the personal room.
 

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Yay, finally found Belle and defeat her.....and for a boss, man, she's really fragile. I beat her in three attacks using Falcon Stake.

But then again, maybe I was lucky that my attack blinded her on the 1st attack and made her can't run away properly. or maybe because I'm playing in easy mode And yes, her summon is the one very annoyig.

Now, Dullahan, you are next.
 
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