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First 4 runs yield 18000 gold from fight and 12 gold guys to sell for a grand total of 90k. Waiting a hour for a natural restore of 1 point to do another run before burning some choco.
 

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I think you get only 3k gold per run, so you mean 6 runs. I was like wow he got 3 drops each run :<
 
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I think you get only 3k gold per run, so you mean 6 runs. I was like wow he got 3 drops each run :<
I've got the gold boost running that gives an extra 50% per fight. So that 3k is4.5k for me. 15 days of +50% gold for 1 crystal is so worth it. But yeah, averaging 3 drops per run. I went 3, 3, 4, and 2.
 

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3 goddess crystal actually, but yes it's worth it.

There's never been a better time to go broke in terms of goddess crystal/cash and become filthy rich in game. I am gonna swim in money yo~
 

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Only 1? This might be really worth it then if you manage to play frequently and burn through the Charisma bar.

Edit: Oh it's 3. Yeah dunno about that. 3 Stamina refills might give more :/
 
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You are right it is 3, but over 15 days I'm at like 300k gold and I have been eating gold leveling my black Valk.
 

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A week ago I was at 156k. Then I was down to 1769 gold.

After spending all my charisma/stamina (but no regen outside of natural yet)
I am at 37k. Wait only 37k? Argh, just because I lved some >lv30 units orz

The amount of gold you have decides whether you can afford basic gacha/use iron units for leveling/level units until lv35 before using fairies and etc.

Oh it's 3. Yeah dunno about that. 3 Stamina refills might give more :/
The x1.5 will always end up giving more. Due to the more you run, the more you benefit from the bonus. And it's 15 days instead of a single grind. (Unless you aren't playing the game)

The exception is gold event, which is now. If you have chocolates for stamina, and <6 goddess crystal, you will want to run gold event with charisma regen only. (You will be missing 240/24 * 10 * 5 * 1500 = 75k gold for 50 runs)
 
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Do you guys do 24/2 or 15/2? I assume 24/2 by Dragon's math above.

Also buh, not sure if I should get money bonus or maybe increase inventory limit once. I have 9 crystals, kinda wanted to roll 5 gacha twice next event. I haven't been desperate for gold (60k atm) but I've also never tried to majorly hit up basic gacha. If I had a lot more crystals, It'd be easier, but I could really use some new units. Darn you guys giving me other things to consider by talking about the money aspect x.X

Most of you have some rare units already that need to be leveled, so needing gold makes sense. All I really have is Echidna and she's not too much of a hassle.

Oh wow, I didn't know that the inventory expansion only costs 1 crystal. blargfhksagdfadf. Too many options. I think for now I'll just save crystals.

Though in her case, non-h only.

Monica: Touch girl act -> Dere dere in progress
0% やれやれ、まさか。王子様の御一行に加わるなんて。
12% 駆け出しでも結構強いのよ。確かめてみる?
25% 王子ってけっこういい男よね。好きになっちゃいそう。
50% アタシは海賊よ。欲しいものは王子だって奪ってやるわ。

0% I would have never imagined this, to be actually joining the Prince's party.
12% I might be a fledgling pirate, but I am pretty strong. Do you want to try me?
25% Even though you are a Prince, you are quite a handsome man. I might end up liking you.
50% I am a pirate. If I want something, even if it's you Prince, I will snatch you away.
Spoiler tag for actual spoiler:
60% アタシの初めてが王子で良かった……。
80% もっと王子のそばに居たい……だめかな?
100% ずーっと一緒だからねアタシの王子様!

60% I am glad that my first time is with you, Prince.
80% I want to be be closer to you Prince... please?
100% We will always be together, my one and only Prince! (or if you prefer: the Prince that belongs to only me)


CC Monica, lv37 with 100% affection, with Prince's buff & level 4 skill, attack = 1064. *fp* Red gargoyle dies in 2 hits.
Realistically, Lv30 with 100% affection, with Lv70 Prince's buff & Level 3 skill, you are looking at ~950 attack.
Thanks, she seems cute.
 
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24/2 and only 24/2. 15/2 is a waste of stamina in every single way possible. (0~4 gold armor versus 0~1 armor)

I have 9 crystals, kinda wanted to roll 5 gacha twice next event
I would do the following:
Slot expansion (1 Goddess Crystal)
Gold Event until drop (1~2 Goddess Crystal to all chocolates, and natural regen the rest. This event is vital in making your life easier and is a great way to get silver units. 2~300k translate pretty well to 3~5 silver units, using 1~2 goddess crystal for 3~5 silver units is an excellent choice, especially since it might drop you that silver mage you needed)
Now your down to 6. Assuming we have new maps, you will want to roll a single premium gacha next event, and then 3 star 4 maps (which should be much easier for you now, at least the early maps) and roll another premium gacha.
 

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24/2 and only 24/2. 15/2 is a waste of stamina in every single way possible. (0~4 gold armor versus 0~1 armor)



I would do the following:
Slot expansion (1 Goddess Crystal)
Gold Event until drop (1~2 Goddess Crystal to all chocolates, and natural regen the rest. This event is vital in making your life easier and is a great way to get silver units. 2~300k translate pretty well to 3~5 silver units, using 1~2 goddess crystal for 3~5 silver units is an excellent choice, especially since it might drop you that silver mage you needed)
Now your down to 6. Assuming we have new maps, you will want to roll a single premium gacha next event, and then 3 star 4 maps (which should be much easier for you now, at least the early maps) and roll another premium gacha.
I would have gone with this immediately when you mentioned this earlier if I was as confident in basic gacha as you. I feel unlucky in gambling and have little basic gacha experience, I'll trust you though, seems like a good plan. It gives me an excuse to record and test the drop rates on basic gacha myself as well.

1: 3 gold
2: 3 gold
3: 2 gold
4: 3 gold
5: 3 gold

3000 x 5
6000 x 14

99k with 10 stamina + 120 charisma so far, not bad. I have 4 chocolates left too. Already at 160k. Even assuming my 6th attempt is only 2 gold, it means 12 stamina and 144 charisma is somewhere around 114,000 gold, x 4 is 456000, plus natural regen and that's around 500k :3 That'd be fun to roll basic gacha 200 times. That's even if I don't use any crystals for stamina. Charisma will become a problem though. At only 240 charisma per 12 hours, I'd need to use a few crystals just to get that much though.
 
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FYI, according to wisdom from other parts of Asia, it's almost always worth it to save your crystals. For the Ninja Saki event, for instance, she costs 400 red gems (rubies? Have you English speaking folks figured out a consistent name to refer to it yet?). If you burned 42-50 crystals you're guaranteed to get her and the 150 crystal samurai girl because you can farm the items easily.

...If you burned 42-50 crystals on spins, though, you're far more likely to get a ton of silvers. :p NEVER roll gacha unless you just don't care or is actually throwing money at it. That's wisdom from the wiki and a lot of F2P players in China. :p

On what to level:

I've unfortunately been handed a ton of leftover Aigis accounts because the owners are just tired of farming. From what I've noticed, most people still have a CC'd archer, healer, witch as their "priority trio" (based on CC date). However, were I you I'd go for your silver witch and your silver soldier first, rather than Carry and Bandit.

Silver soldier's one of the most consistent units in the game. She gets out quick, has a useful skill, and blocks 3 instead of 2. She's very, very good at clearing out small fry enemies due to the ~300+ damage she gets at max level (silver heavy armors are like 200).

Since your heavy armor's almost always going to be used to either tank something hard so your mages can gang up on it (or benched because you'll have rogues and princesses that does their job much better), by default you want something cheaper to block goblins and etc.

I know you have Monica, but I'm going to offer another PoV and say you should always have at least one CC'd archer on hand of some sort. The high attack speed is nothing to sneeze at and you're losing out 60+ damage (which is only amped by prince support) and 60 range, which is very noticable on characters with range extension.

...aka, Soma.

Granted, I actually haven't seen Monica. One of the accounts I'm botting for farming has a伝説の海賊ミネルバ (Minerva?), though, and I've personally noticed that her attack speed is too low for complete coverage of the useful maps, even if it is very large.
 

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I would have gone with this immediately when you mentioned this earlier if I was as confident in basic gacha as you. I feel unlucky in gambling and have little basic gacha experience
Ah, I fail in gambling, so I don't gamble unless the worst result is acceptable to me. i.e. continuous chain of silver for nothing but food.

The worst case for 200k worst in basic gacha is 30k gold left at the end of it. (100 tries, 100 black)
140回くらいベース回したがシルバー4だった…
From the above statement in the community, we can easily deduct that you should at the minimal get 4 silver for 140 tries. Translate to 2.85 silver for 100 tries.
Hence, rather than saying I have bad luck, it's more like saying, "I only got 3 silvers after 100 rows, this is bad luck"

@Ragnelle, we decided it's going to be named "magic crystal" since it's "magic crystal" *nods to self*
...If you burned 42-50 crystals on spins, though, you're far more likely to get a ton of silvers. :p NEVER roll gacha unless you just don't care or is actually throwing money at it. That's wisdom from the wiki and a lot of F2P players in China. :p
Concept agreed. In more ways than one. Though I am far past the 50 crystal count *laughs* while, setting aside a small % of your salary does have its perks.

I am going to argue with some of the statements below.
Silver soldier's one of the most consistent units in the game. She gets out quick, has a useful skill, and blocks 3 instead of 2. She's very, very good at clearing out small fry enemies due to the ~300+ damage she gets at max level
Phylis is actually the worst one to CC skill wise and cost wise. This is in consideration of the fact that Phylis's 244 damage versus 300 damage both equals to 3 hitting a regular goblin and that's 70% of the rush map. While she might be useful with 300 atk and 259 def, she's just as useful with 244 damage and 190 for her role. The +3 deployment cost and the fact you have to retreat her/force a healer for her ruins it. But I do agree on the fact that's she's an excellent replace for HA in the early stages. (though rogue+soldier is much stabler)

At least one CC'd archer on hand of some sort. The high attack speed is nothing to sneeze at and you're losing out 60+ damage (which is only amped by prince support) and 60 range, which is very noticable on characters with range extension.
Soma-chan wise, the 60 range is much appreciated. Which can also be easily achieved by lv2 skill, hence there's no reason to force a CC for range. Anything greater than 260 just grants an archer 2~3 more shots on fast moving target. (Slow-moving target outside of ogre have high def) Snipers have a lower attack speed when compared to archers, but sniper when maxxed has significantly better damage. (245 versus 355) Once past 310, you can 2 shot goblins on most map and 3 shot red goblins.
Therefore, I agree a CC-ed soma-chan is much appreciated. But isn't CCed Daniela better due to the higher damage and damage boost? Personally, soma-chan is a favorite of mine, hence daniela will always be CC-food. But Daniela is better of the 2 archers to CC due to damage boost. Then again, there are hard to reach places on some maps

Granted, I actually haven't seen Monica. One of the accounts I'm botting for farming has a伝説の海賊ミネルバ (Minerva?), though, and I've personally noticed that her attack speed is too low for complete coverage of the useful maps, even if it is very large.
This has nothing to do with Monica, since I agree with everything you said above. 海賊レイチェル is who you want. Quick shot = damage boost and fast attack speed. i.e. when maxxed with Prince, has 1.2k damage with huge range and the attack speed of a sniper. i.e. lmao roll over just about everything.
 
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Look at the various tables people posted. Silver's hovering around ~3%. Drop rates for gold and above from the normal gacha is negligible. The irony of this game is that it is more mathematically efficient to spin for silvers/golds, feed, and farm for fairies for leveling than randomly throwing your money at the generic bronze/iron units you get from just playing the game.

Below's an example of one of the accounts I currently have access to.



All the non-event girls he got from normal gacha spins. Guy is 100% F2P (the same Ninja Saki guy I was talking about up there) and only spent crystals on slots and replenishing stamina/charisma. He just put in a lot of time.
 

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FYI, according to wisdom from other parts of Asia, it's almost always worth it to save your crystals. For the Ninja Saki event, for instance, she costs 400 red gems (rubies? Have you English speaking folks figured out a consistent name to refer to it yet?). If you burned 42-50 crystals you're guaranteed to get her and the 150 crystal samurai girl because you can farm the items easily.

...If you burned 42-50 crystals on spins, though, you're far more likely to get a ton of silvers. :p NEVER roll gacha unless you just don't care or is actually throwing money at it. That's wisdom from the wiki and a lot of F2P players in China. :p

On what to level:

I've unfortunately been handed a ton of leftover Aigis accounts because the owners are just tired of farming. From what I've noticed, most people still have a CC'd archer, healer, witch as their "priority trio" (based on CC date). However, were I you I'd go for your silver witch and your silver soldier first, rather than Carry and Bandit.

Silver soldier's one of the most consistent units in the game. She gets out quick, has a useful skill, and blocks 3 instead of 2. She's very, very good at clearing out small fry enemies due to the ~300+ damage she gets at max level (silver heavy armors are like 200).

Since your heavy armor's almost always going to be used to either tank something hard so your mages can gang up on it (or benched because you'll have rogues and princesses that does their job much better), by default you want something cheaper to block goblins and etc.

I know you have Monica, but I'm going to offer another PoV and say you should always have at least one CC'd archer on hand of some sort. The high attack speed is nothing to sneeze at and you're losing out 60+ damage (which is only amped by prince support) and 60 range, which is very noticable on characters with range extension.

...aka, Soma.

Granted, I actually haven't seen Monica. One of the accounts I'm botting for farming has a伝説の海賊ミネルバ (Minerva?), though, and I've personally noticed that her attack speed is too low for complete coverage of the useful maps, even if it is very large.
If I burned 42/50 crystals... o.o Like I could ever get that many.

CCing Phylis is an interesting thing to consider. The downside is her increased cost (I haven't reduced her cost at all yet) that would mean I may not be able to get her out on rush maps along with Julian (gold soldier) and/or Cecily (silver rogue). Her being able to be placed immediately with them has saved me before, 3 higher cost could hurt her usefulness. I feel like her defense is pretty bad as well and I'd just end up replacing her so quickly with Rean that it wouldn't be worth it anyways. It's hard to say though since who knows what will come in future events. Of course if I could get her -3 cost, it would be a viable option.

I certainly want to CC Soma and will if I can get her cost reduced enough. I know Monica is a beast and would be even better CC'd, but I feel like having a CC'd archer would be useful too. I guess I'll just hope I can find enough extra Soma's. She won't be a priority right away anyways.

My Witch, well I still need two of them active in my roster. I'd love to CC her though if I find a 3rd. I've played so many maps that require two witches to do well on.

Thanks for the input, I appreciate different perspectives from people here that give me more to consider. Just having your own perspective on things doesn't always lead to the best results.



Look at the various tables people posted. Silver's hovering around ~3%. Drop rates for gold and above from the normal gacha is negligible. The irony of this game is that it is more mathematically efficient to spin for silvers/golds, feed, and farm for fairies for leveling than randomly throwing your money at the generic bronze/iron units you get from just playing the game.

Below's an example of one of the accounts I currently have access to.



All the non-event girls he got from normal gacha spins. Guy is 100% F2P (the same Ninja Saki guy I was talking about up there) and only spent crystals on slots and replenishing stamina/charisma. He just put in a lot of time.
This message seems like a contradiction to me with mentioning the drop rate from basic gacha of gold and above units is negligible, but then mentioning that a F2P got all those rare units from basic gacha. I'll assume you're trying to say: Don't use premium gachas and stick with basic gacha.


Also unf, I just got 0 gold units this run x.x There goes my luck~
 
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Updated my previous post, but didn't think you 2 posted that fast. (Too much wall of text, had to reformat the above)

The detailed analysis is on my previous post, the below is just summary:
I am against CCing phylis since you have Julian, and there's an actual reason to CC julian for the skill up.

Rather CCing soma, Daniela makes a much better CCed sniper due to higher damage and higher damage boost. (367 damage versus 355 damage) Soma's best is when she's at low cost, not when she's a sniper. (Of course, this is a moot point if you get her to min cost, and she's a favorite, then it's love > efficiency)

All the non-event girls he got from normal gacha spins. Guy is 100% F2P (the same Ninja Saki guy I was talking about up there) and only spent crystals on slots and replenishing stamina/charisma. He just put in a lot of time.
What a monster, 1.2k+ magic crystals. That's over 80 runs of those maps at minimal. And I would like to agree in terms of spinning gacha. At least with the records that I have. (But it sure has hell got me quickly to a point where I could complete any event less than the difficulty of Undead Monster)
 
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Updated my previous post, but didn't think you 2 posted that fast. (Too much wall of text, had to reformat the above)

The detailed analysis is on my previous post, the below is just summary:
I am against CCing phylis since you have Julian, and there's an actual reason to CC julian for the skill up.

Rather CCing soma, Daniela makes a much better CCed sniper due to higher damage and higher damage boost. (367 damage versus 355 damage) Soma's best is when she's at low cost, not when she's a sniper. (Of course, this is a moot point if you get her to min cost, and she's a favorite, then it's love > efficiency)
Oh I read it already, thanks for the input. I do like Soma a lot more than Daniela so it's a tough call.
 

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Oh I read it already, thanks for the input. I do like Soma a lot more than Daniela so it's a tough call.
When there's love, the decision is easily made. Soma > Daniela, hence 50CC Soma and cost reduce her when you have time. (And after you cleared 34 capital reclamation)

After getting -2 cost, Soma as a sniper at 10 cost isn't bad at all. (especially for rural gate. CC Soma sniper + Prince = 20 cost, 10 second afk rural gate ftw)

Update:
Base Gacha is like a strip club. You go in with all your money, and you return empty or possibly with a few nice girls you can bring home.
But Anna, our beloved assistant is going to cry again, the prince who empties the nation's treasury for the x number of time. "Prince, it's time for your rural work, be a good farmer and farm back all the gold you have lost."
 
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Mostly because I've noticed people refer to the P2P currency (神聖結晶) as "crystals". Which isn't wrong. I'd translate it to "holy crystal" but it's a hassle to type out.

Then you've also got the "magic crystal", which could be confusing for people just browsing through the thread. That's why I'm asking if you guys want to call it gems or rubies or something. Aigis doesn't have a unified, well-written guide like Fruit's done for TTT, so it might not be a bad idea to think about organizing things further - you guys are the only source of English info for this game right now.

While the average lifespan of a browser-based game isn't that long, AIGIS doesn't seem like it's going anywhere (and has been around for a good eight months now with no signs of slowing down), and it's got a lot of neta/community-based fun stuffs that's entertaining.

For instance, that fan art someone posted of the bandit is partially due to a glitch. People were supposed to receive Princess Leila (Laila?) as a compensation for an event, but their system glitched and out popped Bandit-man.

You get the idea. If this was five years ago where I had more free time I'd have already written up a guide, but life moves on. :rolleyes:

On characters:

Phylis: Agree on your math. I'm just pointing out that Fruit doesn't have a good Rogue or Soldier currently. Also, wolves are generally more problematic than goblins, which is why I'm suggesting that he consider a CC'd soldier rather than an iron or bronze HA to use on those maps. Phylis just happens to be easy to get and is the cheapest 3 blocker that's actually useful due to her higher damage due to class.

If no CC, then definitely worth a level 50. Full cost reduced Phylis is only 5, so again, just someone very handy to have around.

Archers: Depends on whether or not you're 50 CCing, depends on whether or not you think you'll get lucky and score better archers, and depends on whether or not you value range. For me, in a tower defense game, range matters the most for an archer. Soma is currently one of the only two archers with range extension, so there will always be a niche for her on anyone's team. I don't know if you've got the spare Somas and resources to try her out for yourself but I invite you to try having a 50 CC'd Soma on hand.

Daniela on the other hand... She's good for how easy it is to get her, but I would only 50CC her if I assume I'm never going to see another archer of better rarity in the course of my gameplay. Because he's got a character with big range already, it's less important to have two high range characters. Ergo I'd pass over Daniela personally.

Fruit, I'm telling you to take it easy. Things will pop up over time. Taken at a reasonable pace this game is fun. Trying to farm and hope you score spins from gacha makes this game into one of the grindest browser-based games I've ever seen.

...And also makes them money.
 
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Update:
Mostly because I've noticed people refer to the P2P currency (神聖結晶) as "crystals". Which isn't wrong. I'd translate it to "holy crystal" but it's a hassle to type out.
P2P for me is goddess crystal, and red crystal is magic crystal.
If you want to stay within a single word though:
Crystal (Holy Crystal) and Gem (Magic Crystal) works. Since ruby is ruby and that's that.

...And also makes them money.
"Shut up and take my money." "Then give me Aniya while your at it."
I don't mind giving them a low percentage of my salary, but Aniya makes me baw like a sheep, repeatedly, I think everyone who has read it including me is tired of it.

you guys are the only source of English info for this game right now.
Which is saddening in a sort of way, since the op isn't active.

I don't know if you've got the spare Somas and resources to try her out for yourself but I invite you to try having a 50 CC'd Soma on hand.
*looks at min-cost, skill level 4/5, 50CC->30 Soma-chan* you mean her? Soma-chan + Prince = rural gate all day long. (5 sec afk = too much win) She's wonderful.

Just that mathematically Daniela's 367 * 1.16 (Lv70 Prince that Fruit has) * 1.3 (Skill level 3) = 553 damage. This means that Daniela will be useful throughout the game. As opposed to Soma, whose only good for goblin, ogre, wolf, and blue gargoyle. And reach those hard to reach places of course.

Update:
Geeze, how much Def does those gold armor have? It takes quite a while for my Kurisa (706 Atk) to down them. And the 830 damage splash by Echidna barely scratch them (I been noticed Echidna's splash is actually smaller than a warlock, especially the armor ignore splash circle)

Update 2:
0 goddess crystal spent, 2 valentine chocolate later *smirk*
Now to bash 30 goddess crystal into this heart-warming event and go at it after I get up. *pass out*
 

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I don't disagree that Daniela has her uses. Personally I'd recommend that a new player get both to 50. However, Fruit's got a pirate on hand already, and there are three gold archers, two platnium archers, and one black archer, all of which will be far better than Daniela (with maybe the exception of the handsome blond guy - I haven't calculated how his doubleshot works yet).

Therefore because he's not exactly hurting for ranged damage (armor-ignoring would be nice, which is why I recommended the silver witch), he could afford to pass on Daniela, I think. You've only got 15 deployment slots anyways.
 
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