Aegis Thousand Year War - DMM Online Game

[Petite Soeur]

Re: Aegis Thousand Year War - DMM Online Game

How are the maps beyond Immortal Beast for farming? Only used to Dragon Hunting for farming.

Stage Comparison:

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First column after charisma cost is all-synthesis xp per charisma, then it's based on which class you're feeding these to: Archer, Samurai, Soldier, Pirate, Bandit, Heavy, Mage, Ninja, and Multiple (Most Efficient).

I know it's a little complicated, but use the all-synthesis xp column as your main choice unless you specifically need to raise a certain class of character to a certain level. I don't have spoiler data for most of the story mission maps before the desert kingdom ones aside from Rural Gate and a couple others (though I couldn't find where I had the spoiler data for 'Road that Leads to the Royal Capital'), so I'm probably not going to extend that table to beyond these maps. In any case, the one you want to reach is the 30 charisma Oasis map if you can conquer 'Undead Monsters'*.
*The localisation 'Immortal Beast' sounds odd when it's used to describe a lich as a beast when they're humans that hid their souls in a container to achieve immortality. Humans becoming beasts is something I would attribute to werewolves, which is why the Japanese title used monster (魔物) and not beast (獣).

 

[Altrius]

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How are the maps beyond Immortal Beast for farming? Only used to Dragon Hunting for farming.

You actually don't need to do the immortal beast map.
Once you did the castle retake chr 29 (王城奪還)
You will unlock dessert map.

The 1st best farming spot is the map with 30 chr the 1 with oasis. (焦熱のオアシス) and its quite easy to clear.
Once you able to build up your unit keep force until 40 chr map (拠点争奪戦・後) care this map might be hard for new player. (note: its better if you have alot physical ranged + 2-3 healer at least)
Even now i'm still lving from that 40chr map it give 1 of the best unit exp in general and another reason is 3rd story map is a serius pain.

@petite
I forgot to ask this before but that graph that you give there 1 part i'm confuse.
on 40 vs 44 chr map... the unit itself give the same exp (same lvl), but the graph is based on exp per charisma.
So isn't 40 should have higher all synth exp ? unless the graph itself have drop rate already accounted as well, which i totaly have no idea

 

[marcus3708]

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So my boyfriend got a silver from the free gacha today. And he's been wanting Raven and Altair but I told him to do my strategy of waiting for a silver from the basic gacha within 4 tries then buy a 3000 yen crystal from DMM when trying to roll black units

I think my strategy has merit guys

so you do this everyday until u get a silver within 4 shots or a few hours apart or what?

 

[Mewwy]

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so you do this everyday until u get a silver within 4 shots or a few hours apart or what?

You can only try this once a day.

Free one -> 2k -> 2k -> 2k

Get a silver, or better, if not then don't bother. Luck is probably not on your side. I kinda think of this as Kaiji, if any of you guys saw/read it. There was a Pachinko arc where the pins were loose on a certain day. This is how I feel it's like. If you get lucky at a day where you can get a silver, you probably can pull the black unit for the chance up.

This has worked so far, 3 times for me and one time for my boyfriend. We rocking in black units.

 

[Altrius]

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@Mewwy
Lol, another unexplained good luck charm >.<
Its more like just a feeling instead of any actual confirmed way to get black, well thats all RNG is about.

There already plenty of good luck charm been mention before such as:
1. Clear cache if you hate your drop.
2. Change your deployment sortie deployment unit or change your team set up
3. Do some kind of action first instead of keep spaming the map (such as view event / give gift / summon / etc etc)
4. Combine 4 unit at same time better chance to CR / skill up

^ well its a good luck charm so i tried them all, but.... lets face the fact.
It just simply not working for me except no.4 on Reanbell (not on kanon though) - at least total money spend is cheaper

 

[Petite Soeur]

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@petite
I forgot to ask this before but that graph that you give there 1 part i'm confuse.
on 40 vs 44 chr map... the unit itself give the same exp (same lvl), but the graph is based on exp per charisma.
So isn't 40 should have higher all synth exp ? unless the graph itself have drop rate already accounted as well, which i totaly have no idea

The maps after base struggle are aggregate data, and I don't know how many trips were done with the Scorpion map, which has a drop rate that puts it at the same xp per charisma as the 2nd Base Struggle.

The last couple weeks, I've been sorting through my data in an attempt to make a clean recommended map post that has the math available to be updated if more aggregate data shows otherwise. I've been trying to find as much data as I could for the Monday and Tuesday extreme and god tier dailies, and now I have to find data for the Wednesday ones which I neglected because I am biased against those maps.

@Altrius:
Clearing your cache doesn't really do anything unless they stealth updated the drop data like they did for Maribelle's revival (I had crystal drops, and had to reload the game so I could get the correct ruby drops). What is really happening is that you're reloading the game and getting a new seed. Combining 4 units at the same time is no different than doing all four of them 1 at a time consecutively. The other things you mention do affect the RNG (though with deployed units, it depends on if a unit deals a different number of attacks; the more attacks, the further it sets you along, and viewing an event scene sets you ahead the least amount). None of this really matters unless you know what your random number currently is and the value of the result you want to happen, which requires having the raw spoiler data, but the staff fixed this when they updated the RNG to also use your CPU, which I don't understand.

 

[Altrius]

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@Altrius:
Clearing your cache doesn't really do anything unless they stealth updated the drop data like they did for Maribelle's revival (I had crystal drops, and had to reload the game so I could get the correct ruby drops). What is really happening is that you're reloading the game and getting a new seed. Combining 4 units at the same time is no different than doing all four of them 1 at a time consecutively. The other things you mention do affect the RNG (though with deployed units, it depends on if a unit deals a different number of attacks; the more attacks, the further it sets you along, and viewing an event scene sets you ahead the least amount). None of this really matters unless you know what your random number currently is and the value of the result you want to happen, which requires having the raw spoiler data, but the staff fixed this when they updated the RNG to also use your CPU, which I don't understand.

Ah i see the story behind the clearing cache part now.
But as for the rest... yup its just a good luck charm, whether it will give you more luck or not, no one know.
We just have to believe that doing some kind of ritual / act will give us more luck

Well as long the idea itself doesn't hurt me, i will just try them all its fun in its own way
Unless someone mention some stupid stuff like you have to sell your black unit first then you will get another black unit in next gacha roll (NO THANKS !!)

 

[Petite Soeur]

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Unless someone mention some stupid stuff like you have to sell your black unit first then you will get another black unit in next gacha roll (NO THANKS !!)

The way the game works, you wouldn't have to sacrifice a black unit. All things are treated equally. If you got a 50% cost reduction with a bronze unit, then you would've gotten a 50% cost reduction with any other rarity if you traveled back in time to that moment and instead fed someone like your second copy of Spica to herself instead of the bronze unit. Same goes for skill-ups. Basically, if retiring a unit would give you a black unit from premium, the game won't care about rarity, just that you retired a unit.

 

[erohen]

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Does anyone else besides me like Amanda? So much hate for boobs I see here. I like flat chest lolis too but I feel like a minority for liking the busty ladies too.

I'm with you. I really like cyocyo's work in general. Dina was the biggest reason I started playing Aigis.

Though to be honest I can't say I'm a big fan of Amanda's cat themed awakened illustration...

 

[Anelai]

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Just wondering if it's worth it to try and min-cost Spica? At 13 cost right now, and 4/5. Not sure if it's worth how ever many crystals I'll have to spend on multiple copies.

I am suprised that none mentioned you Spica is really special girl. You can make her only -2 (min cost) and chance for reduction are: -1 100%, -2 50%
If lucky you may cost reduce her using 600 crystals total.
My answer is: YES. Go and cost reduce her. Spica will be always in your team, having her cost reduced will be very helpfull.

This has worked so far, 3 times for me and one time for my boyfriend. We rocking in black units.

I tried your tactics once some time ago and from 10 rolls I've got all very useless silvers (like half of them were ninjas...) and one Mel. No thank you.

 

[crow_mw]

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Just wondering if it's worth it to try and min-cost Spica? At 13 cost right now, and 4/5. Not sure if it's worth how ever many crystals I'll have to spend on multiple copies.

Read through all replies since yesterday thinking about your message, got ready to reply, last message by Anelai actually covers this already :<. Either way - I agree, if you can afford it, it is totally worth it. See reply below.

Contrary to popular opinion where low cost on low cost units is more important than high cost on high, I find that every point you can save ends up making the run smoother. Often, as long as the core units for that map are out by a certain time, it's fine for cheap units to be not so cheap, if the costly units are less costly.

Indeed what matters is the total number of cost reductions you accumulate. However, there are two important factors:

1) Getting cost reductions on cheaper units allows you to hit your 'cost reduction bonus' faster (as most of the time you deploy cheap units before expensive ones on rush maps).

2) Units like Aria or Spica are units you deploy almost always. Therefore no matter if you go archer->archer->witch or archer->armor->mage, you always hit your cost reduction bonus. If you get your cost reduction on your best dueler, you deploy her in time when you need her, but only in cases when you need a dueler. Situations when you don't use a single archer (and I assume Spica is the best archer available here) are very rare.

Mobile-users/Japanese readers please advise.

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Quick Japanese for noobies like me: 新 = new. Whenever you see this kanji, you usually need to update something (DMM Store, game client itself).

Stage Comparison:

Spoiler

First column after charisma cost is all-synthesis xp per charisma, then it's based on which class you're feeding these to: Archer, Samurai, Soldier, Pirate, Bandit, Heavy, Mage, Ninja, and Multiple (Most Efficient).

@Braemir - I have not seen you post for long time, but you seem to still be active on forums. In case you lurk, could you add this table to OP?

Perhaps, Petite, you could do the same on Himeuta?

You will unlock dessert map.

Always makes me smile, no matter how many times I read this .

The last couple weeks, I've been sorting through my data in an attempt to make a clean recommended map post that has the math available to be updated if more aggregate data shows otherwise.

Wow, you are Goddess Aegis incarnate!

 

[Health_is_Wealth]

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Some questions from a dmm newbie. I finally have a decent number of CC'ed units for the necessary classes. Now I'm planning to balance increasing their affection and getting enough revival crystals for Noel. Is that a good idea? One thing that plagues in Nutaku is that I don't have any mage above silver so maybe it's my frustration making me want her. I'd have to do the easier maps though which I imagine isn't very stamina efficient. I'm also planning to get a priest warrior from the trading post after seeing some vids use them to good effect and with how the Reanbell event made it look like range unit space is a premium in dmm events. I have a CC'ed Nenya so should I CC Cloris or is one witch enough? What do you guys think? I'm also sitting on a lot of SC which I plan to use when all of that free 60 SC is given, should I just wait for that to see what I can build on?

 

[Altrius]

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As new player, I think you would like to aim to clear phalanx 2, this is mainly to get some affection on your unit and plat fairy to CC unit in the future.
To do this isn't have at least 2-3 witch is important ? well if you able to clear it already is all good.

As for mage... Silver mage Pales with atk up skill is considered good unlike Valery ad compareable with gold mage.
Noel could also work, but the problem with revival is are you able to CR them at begining when it still hard to clear map that give alot R. crystal vs cost ratio (still low on stm / chr even with SC recovery).
Having 1 Noel for future is recommended for her aw ability (+10%Gold) or like me having gold problem now... so this revival event seriusly helped me alot.

Lastly i agree with you of building your team base on the 1st foundation of what unit you got from premium summon.
Or the most usual 1 is start with archer + witch + healer...

Edit: Ok asking anyone who interest.

Spoiler

Same old friend the 1 with altair account, so basicaly he got sick with his unbroken black unit and start making account (again !! -.-)
He is willing to trade his black Altair + plat uzume + gold fengshui + gold Claire +2 failed premium silver.
So he looking for the black bandit now or some other killer type black unit (god give a rest already you already lucky enuff with this acc)
so yeah if anyone interest + this will be my last post mentioning about him cuz i'm also got sick of this lucky person who can't even appreciate his luck -.- (total account he made = 73 the last time he told me)
Edit2: another bargaining chip choice account with black mikoto + gold male healer
Next time he asking i'm gonna tell him to make his own ulmf acc -.-

PS from me: Nutaku i blame you..... because of you failing and giving this guy Nanaly + Sybilla now he demand too much !!

 

[Mewwy]

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I am suprised that none mentioned you Spica is really special girl. You can make her only -2 (min cost) and chance for reduction are: -1 100%, -2 50%
If lucky you may cost reduce her using 600 crystals total.
My answer is: YES. Go and cost reduce her. Spica will be always in your team, having her cost reduced will be very helpfull.



I tried your tactics once some time ago and from 10 rolls I've got all very useless silvers (like half of them were ninjas...) and one Mel. No thank you.

No no, you did it wrong. I guess I should've made it clear but you have to get the 3000 yen gacha afterwards. But, I guess if it didn't work, don't push yourself to try again. I'd hate for it to fail again. Besides, could just be some dumb superstition.

 

[furialink]

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it all depends on the RGN jesus , i work as a technician in a casino and i have seen some crazy people doing crazy stuff because it helps them to get lucky xD , some people change the bets quickly because they will “confuse“ the machine and they will win more , others hug or kiss the machine. just find the way that works for you, have confidence in it and get those black units xD.

 

[Petite Soeur]

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First time I did 'Battleground where the Strong Gather' (強者の集う戦場) since it was introduced, so I had to refresh myself to enemy flow and saw this thoughtful minimalist strategy by Kurcules Rush:

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All you need is a good ganking unit for Aisha (Good Karma naturally). The dancer wasn't necessary for me, though. It's much simpler than the strategy I did where I had to tank Sybilla with an angel, though I only did 2 trips for 3 AW Skill Fairies back when it was introduced and haven't touched this map since, so I'm going to accumulate around +6 AW Skill Fairies for characters I know I want to Skill AW, since I don't want these things clogging up my inventory.

EDIT:

Done with 7 Skill AW drops in 3 trips.

Decided to take the risk and skill awaken B. Iris and Anya. With just Saint Iris and the Prince, True Dragon Warrior Anya will have 2k+ defence, which should be enough for most physical threats including the Greater Demon. If I need more defence, I'll work on and awaken Lian and Echidna who will join B. Iris in helping Anya pump-up with their erobic workout routine (even though the two extra characters just translate to 2.2k defence).

The character with the highest potential defence is Paladin Cornelia; she can reach 10k defence thanks to her class perk, and then Gigant Armour Jelius at 9k+ defence (over 9000!). I have the latter character, and I think I have most of the defence buffing characters aside from Dancer Marnie, who is better than Waltz in that regard. Odd for me to inadvertently stumble into one of those silly gimmick situations crazy people with no common sense with their money show off at Rural Gate or Base Struggle, and don't use in any situations that actually matter; when would I ever need 9k+ defence for 20 seconds?

 

[Altrius]

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Finally 1st time able to clear skill fairy.
Unfortunatly i dont have good ganker for Aisha so i had to use themis --> withdraw --> nagi.
For deine newly AW belinda (lvl 20) + Newly aw noel ( lvl 18) able to kill deine so is all good...

The rest pretty straight foward... archer + pirate for sybilla and saki...
Since i put nagi on bottom right to gank aisha and stayed there she also act as a tank for saki, and saki vs nagi = nagi won all the way (pre aw skill up)


With this... i will take my first step to start playing with AW skill ^_^.
Unfortunatly still having gold problem T_T

The base video strat i use is this 1:

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except i put belinda + noel at way back...
and there totaly no need to pop Liana or any healer over there.
Also no need to pop any HA as mention before Nagi still there

 

[Mangomon]

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How often does Noel pop up as a revival reward?

 

[Mewwy]

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How often does Noel pop up as a revival reward?

Pretty sure this is her first time.

 

[Aarkken]

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when would I ever need 9k+ defence for 20 seconds?

You gotta watch out for those goblins, I wonder how good that 9K defence would be against certain rape mode enemies such as the large golems or the dark lord.

Im stuck on getting my Cordelia AW I have around 25 platinum armours just sitting in my barracks but my supply of faeries can't keep up.

Also just hit rank 209, I reall wish they would add in rewards for levels above 200 just having a refresh on stamina and charisma is pretty lackluster.