H-game protagonists: What type do you prefer? Why?

[BigJohnny]

Re: H-game protagonists: What type do you prefer? Why?

Hate male protags because most often they're faceless dudes and the games they're in are 1 fuck per girl. There are very, very few exceptions.
I like "assertive" fem protags because you can have and mix bf elements, clothing damage, graps, corruption and all that good stuff. If they're not afraid of sex and act like "whoa, is that a penis, this is my first time seeing one" all the better. Mikami from Vitamin Quest is a good fem protag.

 

[Lucky777]

Re: H-game protagonists: What type do you prefer? Why?

I don't have a preference as to the sex of the protagonist.


When you're dealing with non-text porn it generally doesn't make a difference, as the scenes are from a 3rd-person perspective.

In terms of content I generally prefer heterosexual, but it doesn't matter whether the male or the female is the protagonist or otherwise.

Similarly with gangbangs, it doesn't matter whether the protagonist is the one being gangbanged or one of the ones doing the gangbanging.

It's just neither here nor there: the scene is the same either way.

Whether I want to be the aggressor or the sub in a nonconsensual or power-based scenario is also not related to sex of the protagonist; you can have doms and subs of either sex.



Now when you're dealing with text porn there IS a difference in that the sensations of the protagonist are described, and you're not looking on from a 3rd-person perspective.

In that case, I tend to prefer futa protagonists because they can describe the scenes either from a male or from a female perspective, depending on my whim at the time.

 

[jekl]

Re: H-game protagonists: What type do you prefer? Why?

I prefer male protagonists, because I'm gay. There are like no gay h-games though... asides from visual novels, as far as I'm aware.

 

[dienow]

Re: H-game protagonists: What type do you prefer? Why?

Is it wrong that I prefer protagonists that are genuinely nice/indifferent people dealing with people that take advantage of that disposition, but end up liking the protagonist for it?

 

[DerPeter]

Re: H-game protagonists: What type do you prefer? Why?

I prefer male protagonists, because I'm gay. There are like no gay h-games though... asides from visual novels, as far as I'm aware.

I think content catered for gay people is a niche in general, so you have to wait a lot of time to see some games for your taste, unless you build your own games.


As for TitanAnteus thoughts, I do also prefer a good story in general, but it heavily depends on the actual game. Xenotake for example has a really polished story and that's the main reason why I like that game. When the story is good and I like the heroine, I'll try to avoid game-over scenes but love to put the heroine into (sexual) trouble. I do also like games which have a huge variety of h-scenes, but in general I favor a polished story.

As for the character traits, which Titan loosely touched, I don't have any real preferences. I both like submissive or assertive girls, as long as their habits are in line with the story.

So in the end, as long as the graphics are acceptable and the story good, I'm up for almost anything.

 

[bacon99]

Re: H-game protagonists: What type do you prefer? Why?

I love the protagonist who is all powerful and strong who gets turned into a helpless slut for cock. I also love when the protagonist whose been degraded that low and gets their comeuppance by making the antagonist suffer the same. Since i'm bi I don't really care what gender the protag/antag is.

 

[GZamboa]

Re: H-game protagonists: What type do you prefer? Why?

This discussion intrigues me and makes me want to come out of my lurker shell because I'm always having these thoughts when going through H-content.

I can enjoy either Male or Female protagonists, just depends on whether the product strikes my fetishes/ avoids my turnoffs.

I generally find vanilla boring and more into the dark stuff so for FemMC's I like to see them put in a setting where the whole world wan't to get into her panties she has to avoid danger as it creates tension. I really like when you have a h-game with rape, humiliation and molestation themes but there's 1 good ending where she finally gets to have sex with someone she actually likes which actually makes the consensual scene satisfying rather than boring for me. I also dislike the female protagonists who wants sex with anything that moves unless its the final descent into madness/corruption, as that kind of character has no dignity and it cheapens the sex.

As for males, due to my fetishes I really only enjoy villain male protagonists who are trying to make the world bend their will and treat sex as conquest or a hunting game though preferably without complete mind control as there's no sport in that. Really dislike weak male protagonists like that one from MGQ as I feel emasculated enough in real life....
I could really only see myself enjoying a MMC with consensual scenes if it's all about getting that one girl and its actually requires effort and about the protagonist proving themselves worthy with some tense moments like say protecting her from a rapist (Anyone ever play SimGirl, sometimes after a date a thug would try to rape your girl and you had play fist fight minigame that created lots of intensity, just wish the consequences of failing was more that loss of relationship points). Not a fan of stories where dozens of girls just fall into the MC's lap and all you have to do is click through the text.

Also in regards to story and H-games I've always been a proponent to just having enough story to set up context and tension for the h-scenes. Obviously some story is needed otherwise you would just have a random assortment of porn pictures but I also hate h-games that bog you down with tons of text especially if it has nothing to do with sex or fleshing out the character's personalities so that you're more invested when the sex does happen. The one h-game where I think the story really complimented the sex well (not that I played many story focused h-games) was Bible Black. Basically the story was there to immerse you in the whole sex cult deal and provide characterization so that you wanted to stop the villain and save your childhood friend/love, or maybe you you just wanted to become the cult leader yourself like me .

 

[XziebertX]

Re: H-game protagonists: What type do you prefer? Why?

let's see I prefer protagonist like:
1. they must be female (except for VN)
2. they must be holy (I don't care from what religion as long as she's not bitchy)
3. they must be someone with authority (princess/knight commander/goddess)
4. Virgin (optional)
5. innocent (but not a fool)
6. C-Cup or larger (flats are fine too... but I like it bigger so it can be titjob-able (and not to big so it's around C to F))
7. If not authority she must be a hero (or someone with mary sue power)
8. Cute/Pretty Girl (MUST HAVE!)
9. Mary Sue (imagine a powerful character get raped by small fry your everyday guy bandit or rapist in train or not so special one hit kill zombie)
10. Liked by everyone (yeah so the well protected everyone mascot girls gonna get raped)

and for the game type:
1. RPG (just like Elder Scroll with xlovers)
2. Game that allow you to keep your protagonist virginity till the end
3. No Sudden Enemy Encounter (just like Elder Scroll but with faster respawn)
4. Harem (optional)
5. Battle Sex with cloth system like Zero Parallel Fantasy (so you have to finish your enemy quickly before they can rape you)
6. Can be enslaved but have a chance to escape (Oblivion Player Slave Encounter)
7. English with Japanese Voice Actress (the normal Japanese word is fine too as long it's got walkthrough (since I can't read Japanese (and AGTH doesn't work on 8.1))
8. Game Over Rape (MUST HAVE!)
9. Lose Rape (MUST HAVE!)
10. Have a good ending (must have)
11. Can choose difficulty (or have to be HARD AS HELL)
12. Have New Game+ Option (since I always trying to play virgin route first)
13. Have SKIP option for long conversation (MUST HAVE! since I don't know Japanese)
14. Fantasy Science Fiction theme (Elf with guns and power armor)
15. Free... (optional since I know making a game is hard as hell)

for example: Sacred Eyes, Oblivion xlovers (Oblivion > Skyrim XP), Zero Parallel Fantasy IF, Evil Goddess (I want to buy it but I don't know how), 聖剣のセシリア～The Soul of Knights～

the reason: It's fun to play an overpowered hero-princess mary sue character in new game+ that lose to small fry enemy and enslaved by them, and with the Fantasy Science Fiction it got Ork rape, Elf Rape (Eldar), Tentacle Rape (Slannesh), Guro (Khorne), Corruption (Nurgle), Machine Rape (Ad Mech), Breeding Ladies (Death Korps of Krieg), and Monster Girl (Catgirls (Felinids) being the first in Carlos McConnell)
(PS: Sorry for my English)

 

[SoED]

Re: H-game protagonists: What type do you prefer? Why?

I prefer male protagonists, because I'm gay. There are like no gay h-games though... asides from visual novels, as far as I'm aware.

I think content catered for gay people is a niche in general, so you have to wait a lot of time to see some games for your taste, unless you build your own games.

I'd like to see more diversity in game characters. I think this is a consequence of the people who play hgames being mostly straight men who want to see females and yuri (<- my impression, not necessarily fact).

Is it wrong that I prefer protagonists that are genuinely nice/indifferent people dealing with people that take advantage of that disposition, but end up liking the protagonist for it?

Not sure what you're saying.

I love the protagonist who is all powerful and strong who gets turned into a helpless slut for cock. I also love when the protagonist whose been degraded that low and gets their comeuppance by making the antagonist suffer the same. Since i'm bi I don't really care what gender the protag/antag is.

Interesting note about the reversal/revenge in the end.

This discussion intrigues me and makes me want to come out of my lurker shell because I'm always having these thoughts when going through H-content.

let's see I prefer protagonist like:

and for the game type:

Thanks for the replies! Interests around here seem to be more varied than I'd gotten the impression of. I'm always curious about what people like and why, so these responses are two of my favorites.

 

[TitanAnteus]

Re: H-game protagonists: What type do you prefer? Why?

I'd like to see more diversity in game characters. I think this is a consequence of the people who play hgames being mostly straight men who want to see females and yuri (<- my impression, not necessarily fact)
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For the homosexual bit. This is the same across ALL entertainment mediums. If a gender/group wants accurate representation in media they should take the steps to do it. Nothing is stopping anyone from doing so.

Basically there aren't that many games with homosexuality because there aren't that many homosexuals in the world for one thing and among them, there aren't that many developers who are interested in making hentai games. I mean even under those conditions h-games/animations are still being made targeted towards homosexuals so it's not like there's NO representation.

Is it wrong that I prefer protagonists that are genuinely nice/indifferent people dealing with people that take advantage of that disposition, but end up liking the protagonist for it?

Originally I quoted this statement expecting to 100% agree, but then I thought... that accurately fits the character Ryuko from Kill La Kill and I don't like her.

Wait... it also fits Ryner Lute, and Masaki Tenshi and I fucking love them.

Fuck, I'm torn.

 

[SoED]

Re: H-game protagonists: What type do you prefer? Why?

For the homosexual bit. This is the same across ALL entertainment mediums. If a gender/group wants accurate representation in media they should take the steps to do it. Nothing is stopping anyone from doing so.

Basically there aren't that many games with homosexuality because there aren't that many homosexuals in the world for one thing and among them, there aren't that many developers who are interested in making hentai games. I mean even under those conditions h-games/animations are still being made targeted towards homosexuals so it's not like there's NO representation.

There are people who are gay/les/bi in game design, but most of them are working for studios that design for the straight white male market, because the straight white male market is the traditional market and the ones currently associated with game sales. That's why my statement was about the market, rather than the devs.

Side note: It isn't that there aren't many people who are gay/les/bi in the world - it's that they aren't in the public eye to the same degree as more traditional marketing demographic groups are.

It's like, if every show about teenagers were only about teenagers who own or want to own a Yorkshire Terrier, you'd get the impression that tons of teens worldwide own or want to own a Yorkshire Terrier - and would think that teens who aren't interested in them are less common.


Only by having more games that include gay/les/bi protagonists (as options, if not defaults) does it become possible for a perception like that to be changed (for most people; excluding the ones who have different real-world experiences, do research, or are closed-minded/bigoted/etc).

 

[TitanAnteus]

Re: H-game protagonists: What type do you prefer? Why?

There are people who are gay/les/bi in game design, but most of them are working for studios that design for the straight white male market, because the straight white male market is the traditional market and the ones currently associated with game sales. That's why my statement was about the market, rather than the devs.

Side note: It isn't that there aren't many people who are gay/les/bi in the world - it's that they aren't in the public eye to the same degree as more traditional marketing demographic groups are.

It's like, if every show about teenagers were only about teenagers who own or want to own a Yorkshire Terrier, you'd get the impression that tons of teens worldwide own or want to own a Yorkshire Terrier - and would think that teens who aren't interested in them are less common.


Only by having more games that include gay/les/bi protagonists (as options, if not defaults) does it become possible for a perception like that to be changed (for most people; excluding the ones who have different real-world experiences, do research, or are closed-minded/bigoted/etc).

I mostly agree if we're talking about televised media. There's pressure to reach the biggest audience possible.

If we're talking about independent media than I disagree. Independent games and movies are about game designers just making something and releasing it somewhere by themselves. Most of them solo.

Also about the side note. I'm inclined to disagree. I remember some kind research proving it's 1/10 of people or something (By analyzing population growth and using math... It was for a paper in high school). I'm too lazy to look it up now .

Basically, your argument is that media shapes our perception of the world. If most movies that feature colleges have college kids doing stupid things, then in real life college kids will do stupid things... but real life also shapes media. In real life, college kids do stupid things, so movies show college kids doing stupid things... so I can't agree that putting pressure on developers to include options they don't want to will accurately represent society.

I'm not particularly averse to homosexuality, therefore; I have homosexual friends, but out of all 8 of my extremely close friends, only 1 is homosexual, and out of all of my acquaintances whose names I can remember, I can only remember the names of only 2 others that are, so I've just thought throughout my life that the research I did in highschool was correct.

 

[SoED]

Re: H-game protagonists: What type do you prefer? Why?

I mostly agree if we're talking about televised media. There's pressure to reach the biggest audience possible.

Just an info note: games are just as big as other media at this point.

If we're talking about independent media than I disagree. Independent games and movies are about game designers just making something and releasing it somewhere by themselves. Most of them solo.

The same principles still apply if you want to make money off of a game - you either make it for the common denominator (i.e. straight men) or for a niche group (e.g. on a forum that neither you nor I are part of, apparently).

Also about the side note. I'm inclined to disagree. I remember some kind research proving it's 1/10 of people or something (By analyzing population growth and using math... It was for a paper in high school). I'm too lazy to look it up now .

Let's just leave ridiculously hard to substantiate data/opinions out of the discussion then.

Basically, your argument is that media shapes our perception of the world. If most movies that feature colleges have college kids doing stupid things, then in real life college kids will do stupid things... but real life also shapes media. In real life, college kids do stupid things, so movies show college kids doing stupid things...

What I'm saying is more limited than that. If we went by what I quoted above, then we should expect to see gay/les/bi hgames made by gay/les/bi devs - but the situations aren't analogous. College students are a group that everyone has frequent experiences with. The same isn't true of people who are gay/les/bi. Plus, what you're referencing are media exaggerations of what college kids do, but which everyone knows are exaggerations. There is a lot mroe ignorance about people who are gay/les/bi, what they're interested in, how they spend their time, etc.

For all we know, a bunch of people who make games targeted at straight males are bisexual, and just don't explore gay/les/bi main characters because they don't think there's a big market for that. With movies about college, we know that there are a lot of people who don't act stupidly, and there are also a lot of movies about people who don't act stupidly as college students.

The examples aren't equal comparisons.

so I can't agree that putting pressure on developers to include options they don't want to will accurately represent society.

I never said to pressure anyone to include anything. I just said that I wish there was more representation. That goes for everything from wishing more people would express interest in games with diverse characters, to more devs who want to make games featuring different characters, to more devs including more diverse characters in their games as NPCs or main characters.

No one should be pressured to say that they want things that they don't, or to include things that they don't want to include.

As I said in reference to my own game, I'm not going to write MxM scenes because i have no interest in MxM content. I also won't write MxFuta content. But if someone wants to talk with me about them doing the writing and graphics for that kind of content, I wouldn't be opposed to including it as long as their ideas work with my plans for the game (and they certainly could fit in as optional content, along with the FxFuta content that I might write and include as optional content).

I'm not particularly averse to homosexuality, therefore; I have homosexual friends, but out of all 8 of my extremely close friends, only 1 is homosexual, and out of all of my acquaintances whose names I can remember, I can only remember the names of only 2 others that are, so I've just thought throughout my life that the research I did in highschool was correct.

I wasn't accusing you of being homophobic or anything. I was just pointing out some reasons why I think there's a lack of diversity and what I think are some incorrect beliefs about people who are gay/les/bi.

I'm not gay, les, or bi, so I'm also not trying to say what a person who is wants to do or doesn't want to do. I just wanted to add some information.

 

[dienow]

Re: H-game protagonists: What type do you prefer? Why?

Not sure what you're saying.

Ordinary guy dealing with extraordinary shit with a genuinely human personality and willingness to resolve things to everyone's benefit, if possible. Ends up being taken advantage of by others with agendas, but other people can say they actually like him and mean it. It can be assumed that nothing ever works out for the best, but not for lack of trying.

On the sliding scale of pretentious white knight and absolute asshole, he's a solid middle of the scale. Gets taken advantage of (mostly by women), but takes it in stride, and can at least punish people who go too far.

Originally I quoted this statement expecting to 100% agree, but then I thought... that accurately fits the character Ryuko from Kill La Kill and I don't like her.

Wait... it also fits Ryner Lute, and Masaki Tenshi and I fucking love them.

Fuck, I'm torn.

The problem with Ryuko is that she can't take it easy. Being a decent person dealing with indecent people requires taking it easy. Ryner and Tenchi are the epitome of taking it easy, for the most part. Although I think Tenchi is on the ass-end of the "infinite weenie" scale. I mean, it's been how many years? The only one worse than Tenchi for being uninterested in women is Keiichi Morisato, the ultimate dickless wonder.

 

[SoED]

Re: H-game protagonists: What type do you prefer? Why?

Ordinary guy dealing with extraordinary shit with a genuinely human personality and willingness to resolve things to everyone's benefit, if possible. Ends up being taken advantage of by others with agendas, but other people can say they actually like him and mean it. It can be assumed that nothing ever works out for the best, but not for lack of trying.

On the sliding scale of pretentious white knight and absolute asshole, he's a solid middle of the scale. Gets taken advantage of (mostly by women), but takes it in stride, and can at least punish people who go too far.

Ok, I think I get the basic concepts now. Thanks. I don't know of any game that has a character like that. What kind of things would happen in an hgame that match your ideas? Something like a female battle commander getting him to fight her enemies for her by telling him it's the virtuous thing to do?

Or are you thinking of something more like him being seduced and tricked into thinking a woman is being treated unfairly, but it turns out she just used him as a pawn to weaken one of her opponents?

I'm having a hard time imagining a story with a lot of h-content if it involves good guy who gets taken advantage of.

 

[dienow]

Re: H-game protagonists: What type do you prefer? Why?

H-game ideas? Well, if you've ever read Tate Yuusha no Nariagari, then imagine a Naofumi that ends up being used by an ever-increasing and ever-conflicting harem of women that are interested in him for wholesome and unwholesome reasons.

I've always been interested in the idea of the anti-harem: a harem of women who you largely don't want, who largely want you for the wrong reasons, and whom you can't get rid of because it just makes sense to be with them (or you have no choice). The girls are the stereotypical "best girls," but in the "worst girls" kind of way: beautiful and vain, useful and dangerous, and pure but cruel/capricious. Each one jockeys for position to be the dominant one in the harem, and thus "in charge" of you (for a variety of personal reasons, because everyone has different reasons), while you end up spending the whole time trying to change them into decent people, not be ruined by them, and accomplish what your own goals are.

I assume the harem end is where everyone decides the time for the final showdown - with each other - only to find a note left behind telling them that you've skipped town. Each game would end with you escaping your last harem, only to move to another town and make a new one. Thus, a rampaging army of harems follows you in the game series, becoming known as a demon army.

I don't know of any game that has a character like that.

Himegari Dungeon Meister lets you be that guy, if you choose the "not being an asshole" path. Instead of becoming the ULTIMATE EDGELORD MAOU, you become just a half-way decent midget maou who takes care of his followers, puts up with their shit, and is largely forgiving of what other people put you through. Extra points if you end the game with your familiar on the good path.

 

[SoED]

Re: H-game protagonists: What type do you prefer? Why?

H-game ideas? Well, if you've ever read Tate Yuusha no Nariagari, then imagine a Naofumi that ends up being used by an ever-increasing and ever-conflicting harem of women that are interested in him for wholesome and unwholesome reasons.

I've always been interested in the idea of the anti-harem: a harem of women who you largely don't want, who largely want you for the wrong reasons, and whom you can't get rid of because it just makes sense to be with them (or you have no choice). The girls are the stereotypical "best girls," but in the "worst girls" kind of way: beautiful and vain, useful and dangerous, and pure but cruel/capricious. Each one jockeys for position to be the dominant one in the harem, and thus "in charge" of you (for a variety of personal reasons, because everyone has different reasons), while you end up spending the whole time trying to change them into decent people, not be ruined by them, and accomplish what your own goals are.

I assume the harem end is where everyone decides the time for the final showdown - with each other - only to find a note left behind telling them that you've skipped town. Each game would end with you escaping your last harem, only to move to another town and make a new one. Thus, a rampaging army of harems follows you in the game series, becoming known as a demon army.

Ok. That's a lot clearer. thanks. Not my kind of game at all, but I'm glad I understand what you were saying now.

Himegari Dungeon Meister lets you be that guy, if you choose the "not being an asshole" path. Instead of becoming the ULTIMATE EDGELORD MAOU, you become just a half-way decent midget maou who takes care of his followers, puts up with their shit, and is largely forgiving of what other people put you through. Extra points if you end the game with your familiar on the good path.

I have to admit that I have never played a Japanese game besides some small RPG Maker ones. I'm just not a big enough fan of traditional gameplay to be interested. All I know of the studio games comes from skipping around in Let's Play videos and blog reviews and such. And even then, I don't spend much time getting details, because I don't intend to play the games in the future. I originally wanted to do some translations of the text so I could figure out what the stories were like, but when I found out how unorganized all of the text is inside of the game files, I was just like "Nope. Too much work for too much risk (of finding out I didn't like it) and too little reward (just having translated lines of text)."

 

[dienow]

Re: H-game protagonists: What type do you prefer? Why?

Have you tried using AGTH to hook and various programs to translate/provide kanji definitions?

 

[SoED]

Re: H-game protagonists: What type do you prefer? Why?

Have you tried using AGTH to hook and various programs to translate/provide kanji definitions?

My understanding of AGTH, ChiiTrans, etc is that you have to actually be playing the game in order for them to work - you can't just hook their process into a game and have it instantly rip all of the text in the game in the order that it would appear while you were playing.

 

[dienow]

Re: H-game protagonists: What type do you prefer? Why?

My understanding of AGTH, ChiiTrans, etc is that you have to actually be playing the game in order for them to work - you can't just hook their process into a game and have it instantly rip all of the text in the game in the order that it would appear while you were playing.

Depends on the game, and whether or not someone has made a hook code.

I can hook 90% of games, getting at least something. As long as the game uses a text buffer, theoretically, you should be able to hook it.