DLsite Reviews Can't Be Trusted.

[Sunshaded]

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What CrazyPerson said. I had no idea DLsite did this, but it makes perfect sense, because this is actually a serious cultural issue.

If you read Japanese reviews on DLsite or blogs (excepting places like 2ch, where the rude gather), you'll see that they tend to phrase things as politely as possible. In one review blog I regularly visit, 90% of reviewed games get exactly 7/10 stars.

To the Japanese, fair and short "criticism" reads like slaps to the face. Many creators would even perceive blunt and unfavorable reviews as harassment and potentially be discouraged or quit just because of them. I'm sure that's why DLsite takes it seriously and edits these reviews.

Oh, and I also find it hilarious the way they added "This could be a plus for some people" to Onyxdime's review. That phrase is a cliche in Japanese DLsite reviews.

You could say they're too sensitive. But from their perspective, it's more like we're all hooligans. Imagine a woman at a restaurant said to a waiter, "I need a glass of water, right now! Get me one!" Then someone next to her said, "Can't you say that more politely?" And she responded, "But I'm at a restaurant and it's his job to serve me, right? I'm just filling my order, and letting him know I'd like it sooner rather than later. What did I say that was incorrect? Why are you so obsessed with making sure I phrase things as politely as humanly possible?" <-- That's what we sound like from a Japanese cultural perspective. ...From their perspective, we should be able to phrase things as politely as they do, and if we don't, it reflects on our character. Because they grow up in a culture where people do that.

 

[stashar]

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I don't know US history but may be .. may be freedom of speech is indeed getting better for general population .. it's definitely better for gamers who are fans of brutal & bloody stuff with games like Manhunt, Hatred, GTA become very famous.

but for us pervert gamers, our freedom of speech is definitely getting worse.

Nope. In the 90s,

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for the simple act of creating and distributing pornography.

Anyone here been to jail yet? No? Okay, life is better now than in the 90s. Part of the confusion is that every state has their own pornography laws. Florida's looks like they were pretty strict, while Las Vegas / Nevada has always had the reputation of being rather free and open about sex in general. Today, we hear the cries of everyone on the internet, and communication of people between states is much more common.

The cultural differences between areas of the USA has led to interesting cases. See Ferguson Riots vs Baltimore Riots for instance. In the Ferguson case, it is clear that the riots were race-related. The mostly-white cops led by the mostly-white city counsel were being racist towards African Americans. IMO, the former Attorney General Eric Holder has a very solid case for the structural racism found in Ferguson.

The "race" argument doesn't fly in Baltimore however. The Driver of the van was African American. In fact, the three cops to receive "Murder" or "Manslaughter" charges were all Black (the initial arrest I admit, was done by white cops... but that wasn't the problem. The people who killed the handcuffed guy was the driver of the van IMO). The city mayor is black. The Baltimore chief of police is black. The city prosecutor is Black. The African American city counsel members were marching in the streets with the protesters. As such, the riots in Baltimore were more about Police Brutality. Its harder to make a case for structural racism there than it was in Ferguson... indeed, Loretta Lynch (current Attorney General) probably won't make any federal hate crime charges against the department. IMO, it is clear that Mayor Stephanie Rawlings-Blake and Police Commissioner Anthony Batts are hard at work at race relations, and the erradication of systemic racism from their system.

Ferguson on the other hand, has a

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.

And yet, people online confound the two all the time, and don't see the differences. You gotta keep the local politics / local cultures of these various cities in mind when you're on the internet and making comparisons. Just as Baltimore vs Ferguson are night vs day when it comes to racism / race relations... Some areas of the country have always been harsh on Pornography. Its just coming to light now TODAY because we actually have the internet, and can easily talk to people from different states.

Not that Baltimore is perfect with race relations of course. But its good to know you have a Mayor, Police Commissioner, and Attorney General who understands race relations issues. Those three worked very hard to get the 2nd Degree Murder charge against the Police Driver, and I bet you that a trial (or plea-bargain) is going to happen in Baltimore. (Compared to Ferguson, where the charges were dropped before the trial even began)

 

[HentaiWriter]

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Nope. In the 90s,

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for the simple act of creating and distributing pornography.

I'm going to remember this link for anytime that someone says the Miller Test stuff "never gets a conviction if it's fought", thanks a lot for this!

 

[azurezero]

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I'm going to remember this link for anytime that someone says the Miller Test stuff "never gets a conviction if it's fought", thanks a lot for this!

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Originally Posted by stashar View Post
Nope. In the 90s, you could be sentenced to jail for the simple act of creating and distributing pornography.


you still can in the uk, some days im not sure if my games are breaking the law or not

 

[erobotan]

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Nope. In the 90s,

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for the simple act of creating and distributing pornography.

Now you still can I think .. even distributing imaginary character porn can get you in jail right after that Rapelay incident? i heard utah start banning porn in 2005. Feminist also start attacking everything with sexy girls in it like comics & games .. paypal also allow porn in the past .. patreon was more open with porn now it's semi restricted (won't appear in search etc) ..recently there is that blogspot ban porn incident though they cancel it after receiving a lot of complaints. This kind of stuff probably happen in a lot of other sites too

 

[Silvar]

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What CrazyPerson said. I had no idea DLsite did this, but it makes perfect sense, because this is actually a serious cultural issue.

If you read Japanese reviews on DLsite or blogs (excepting places like 2ch, where the rude gather), you'll see that they tend to phrase things as politely as possible. In one review blog I regularly visit, 90% of reviewed games get exactly 7/10 stars.

To the Japanese, fair and short "criticism" reads like slaps to the face. Many creators would even perceive blunt and unfavorable reviews as harassment and potentially be discouraged or quit just because of them. I'm sure that's why DLsite takes it seriously and edits these reviews.

Oh, and I also find it hilarious the way they added "This could be a plus for some people" to Onyxdime's review. That phrase is a cliche in Japanese DLsite reviews.

You could say they're too sensitive. But from their perspective, it's more like we're all hooligans. Imagine a woman at a restaurant said to a waiter, "I need a glass of water, right now! Get me one!" Then someone next to her said, "Can't you say that more politely?" And she responded, "But I'm at a restaurant and it's his job to serve me, right? I'm just filling my order, and letting him know I'd like it sooner rather than later. What did I say that was incorrect? Why are you so obsessed with making sure I phrase things as politely as humanly possible?" <-- That's what we sound like from a Japanese cultural perspective. ...From their perspective, we should be able to phrase things as politely as they do, and if we don't, it reflects on our character. Because they grow up in a culture where people do that.

That might be possible. I notice a lot of "reviewers" in Western gaming tend to be harsh. I'm talking about the major ones like "Yahztee" or "Jim Sterling" when they review games, and tend to throw in some jokes at the developers and/or the product itself. Generally, it seems like their "defense" for this behavior is that they are entertainers as much as critics, and are meant to make the review "funny". But, well, Yahtzee and others still say some pretty aggressive things in their "critiques".

 

[chronoex]

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That might be possible. I notice a lot of "reviewers" in Western gaming tend to be harsh. I'm talking about the major ones like "Yahztee" or "Jim Sterling" when they review games, and tend to throw in some jokes at the developers and/or the product itself. Generally, it seems like their "defense" for this behavior is that they are entertainers as much as critics, and are meant to make the review "funny". But, well, Yahtzee and others still say some pretty aggressive things in their "critiques".

I hope you're talking about Extra Punctuation instead of Zero Punctuation in regards to Yahtzee.

 

[nnescio]

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That might be possible. I notice a lot of "reviewers" in Western gaming tend to be harsh. I'm talking about the major ones like "Yahztee" or "Jim Sterling" when they review games, and tend to throw in some jokes at the developers and/or the product itself. Generally, it seems like their "defense" for this behavior is that they are entertainers as much as critics, and are meant to make the review "funny". But, well, Yahtzee and others still say some pretty aggressive things in their "critiques".

Side note: AVGN has a a huge fan following in Japan.

What CrazyPerson said. I had no idea DLsite did this, but it makes perfect sense, because this is actually a serious cultural issue.

If you read Japanese reviews on DLsite or blogs (excepting places like 2ch, where the rude gather), you'll see that they tend to phrase things as politely as possible. In one review blog I regularly visit, 90% of reviewed games get exactly 7/10 stars.

To the Japanese, fair and short "criticism" reads like slaps to the face. Many creators would even perceive blunt and unfavorable reviews as harassment and potentially be discouraged or quit just because of them. I'm sure that's why DLsite takes it seriously and edits these reviews.

Oh, and I also find it hilarious the way they added "This could be a plus for some people" to Onyxdime's review. That phrase is a cliche in Japanese DLsite reviews.

You could say they're too sensitive. But from their perspective, it's more like we're all hooligans. Imagine a woman at a restaurant said to a waiter, "I need a glass of water, right now! Get me one!" Then someone next to her said, "Can't you say that more politely?" And she responded, "But I'm at a restaurant and it's his job to serve me, right? I'm just filling my order, and letting him know I'd like it sooner rather than later. What did I say that was incorrect? Why are you so obsessed with making sure I phrase things as politely as humanly possible?" <-- That's what we sound like from a Japanese cultural perspective. ...From their perspective, we should be able to phrase things as politely as they do, and if we don't, it reflects on our character. Because they grow up in a culture where people do that.

That aside, I don't take cultural differences as an excuse for such behavior. If you are worried that people would be offended, then don't publish the review. Twisting it into a yes-man review (and especially adding your words into it instead of only cutting out things) is just plain dishonest, and is arguably against the law even in Japan (c.f. Truth-in-Advertising Law.)

The restaurant has the right to kick the rude woman out of their premises and even ban her from coming back (of course, they can face publicity consequences if they act too heavily-handed, and what constitutes as heavy-handed varies depending on culture). They don't have the right to hire an actor later to dress up as her and give a fake review praising the restaurant. That's like defamation and false advertising.

It's not a matter of being polite or not. It's a matter of falsely representing one of your customers and lying barefacedly to the rest. This is both wrong and inexcusable, both ethically and legally, in Japan and in the United States and in Europe and probably like most other places in the world. Except China, maybe.

I do hope that the problem lies in whichever company they subcontracted to for running the English side of DLsite, instead of DLsite itself.

 

[ramna27]

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My rejected review:

I bought the game after the english translation and have a few issues with it like Luka's name is Ruka near the HP bar. I dont know why things like that are overlooked often enough, but the translation is decent enough, it just doesnt feel that natural. Kind of like they machine translated it or just did a rough literal translation. Rouge Translations old patch was better, I think calling this job professional is misleading as the quality shows a lack of effort. Again its my opinion as a paying customer and my wish that you guys will proof read and update the translation as needed.

I thought it was constructive criticism, maybe too harsh?

 

[ToxicShock]

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Just popping in real quick to say

LOL get over yourself. Nobody reads that shit anyway. There is such a thing as previews too, you know.

Fuck you, cunt. I absolutely read reviews.

 

[ToxicShock]

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Double post:

Zarion, I want you to know it's not your opinion here that caused such language from me. It's just you being a cunt in general. Remember how I almost banned you last year cuz you couldn't help how much of an asshole you were? I do

See, when you tell me to get a life, I find it strange. Particularly cuz I do more in a day than you probably manage into your entire week, but also because the reason I read reviews is because of this forum. See, DLsite only allows 6 tags which can't possibly cover everything a game includes. Not to mention descriptions are author-written and they leave out the material in the game to tell you the story most of the time. Sadly, Loli/shota tags aren't ALWAYS in limited tags they give, and sometimes have to be pulled from context of the reviews. Not to mention the tags the reviewers can give. On top of that, other games sometimes put loli/shota into the tags despite not having it, cuz it will usually mean more downloads. So instead of downloading a demo for every single game that people post here, and hoping that the demo covers every fetish the game will have, I need to get the most info out of a game in order to categorize it and, ultimately, protect this forum.

If doing so means I have no life, despite what little time I spend on this forum, that's a little upsetting. I thought I had a pretty good life. But I guess if someone being on this forum means they don't have a life, perhaps I can pay you the respect of removing you, so your aren't overburdened by the temptation to throw your life away here. I feel it only fair after you have so enlightened me.

 

[Lucky777]

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Aw shit he mad though

 

[AceofWind]

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I was browsing wwoec and someone linked to an article that cite's this thread as a source regarding how Eng DLsite handles pricing with overseas developers.

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[Cabbie]

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I was browsing wwoec and someone linked to an article that cite's this thread as a source regarding how Eng DLsite handles pricing with overseas developers./QUOTE]

I was waiting for someone to get on this since i cant post links...

But wow...i didn't know it was this bad. How many devs are inpacted cause of this?

 

[azurezero]

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I was browsing wwoec and someone linked to an article that cite's this thread as a source regarding how Eng DLsite handles pricing with overseas developers./QUOTE]

I was waiting for someone to get on this since i cant post links...

But wow...i didn't know it was this bad. How many devs are inpacted cause of this?

all of us, but i'm mostly affected by the 50% price thing anyway, as it means higher prices so less people can afford my stuff...


also again, douche who negrepped
"price is not an issue, you delivering a half finished, buggy as fuck product is"

price very much is an issue when it doubles it... price is an issue cause it means they have less money to spend overall on games, that means half as many games are being bought and it affects us all

 

[TitanAnteus]

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No wonder some of my reviews don't go through. Well, I guess we have to rely on the community even though there isn't an active community to just talk about everything hentai.