Rape and Day-to-Day Life

[Pheonix Alugere]

Re: Rape and Day-to-Day Life

22% of rape victims were assaulted by someone they had never seen before or did not know well.
# 9% of victims were raped by husbands or ex-husbands.
# 11% were raped by fathers or stepfathers.
# 10% were raped by boyfriends or ex-boyfriends.
# 16% were raped by other relatives.
# 29% were raped by other non-relatives, such as friends and neighbors.

Lovely statistics aren't they? Only 1/5 rapes of women are by people they don't know.

 

[Exofluke]

Re: Rape and Day-to-Day Life

Just wanted to stop by and say...

TENTACLE RAPE!!!

YAY!

 

[Shadow the Fallen]

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Ya but the thing about stisitics is that they can be forged to push forward and agenda nearly 46% of all statisitcs are made up on the spot or Altered to prove a point a perfect example of this is how the Political machines in The US Create Voteing Sectors or what ever they are called so that it they are more likely to get a vote so rather then have Nice grid zones you have fuckin ameboa's everyware

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[Antithetical Inquiry]

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Ya but the thing about stisitics is that they can be forged to push forward and agenda nearly 46% of all statisitcs are made up on the spot or Altered to prove a point a perfect example of this is how the Political machines in The US Create Voteing Sectors or what ever they are called so that it they are more likely to get a vote so rather then have Nice grid zones you have fuckin ameboa's everyware

This messege brought to you by the Letter Poop and tne number Chicken

That statistic sounds like it was made up on the spot.

 

[Tassadar]

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I think that the percent of rape by boyfriends/ex-boyfriends (or girlfriends) is a little higher, more like 20%, it's just considered rape less often by the victim.

 

[Pheonix Alugere]

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Aye, probably all the family stats are higher and the stranger is lower. Given that they don't want to get their family in trouble, or want to think the best of them, people are likely less inclined to accuse family. Conversely, most rapes by strangers are likely reported.

 

[RaiiHoraiji]

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I always thought that when men are trying to do their best to get laid, and the woman ditches them, then they may turn to rape, but a random stranger, walking on a street is not likely to be a rapist, so no, I don't see random men to be rapists.

 

[Twisted]

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"Because we live in a society where rape of women is widespread and to a certain extent accepted and encouraged, it only makes sense for women to be wary of men who come up to them and attempt to initiate social interaction, when the man is not already known to them."

And don't talk to strangers. They could be sick bastards with child pornography stapled on their walls with a dungeon that has dead people in it.
Don't risk it. Shut yourself into your house and be a good little puppet.

 

[Pale]

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I've always had this suspicion that a lot of rape is caused, or at least, partly influenced by, crap communication. You know the drill. People say yes, they mean no, they say no, they mean yes, they give out the wrong signals.

And yes, I think women can be to blame for this as well. I'm not going to take the FemiNazi road and say men are all clearly blind and when a girl says "Nothing", all men should quickly be able to work out the three-sentence complex emotional message she has in her head. That's bollocks as well.

I just think, some people (often men) aren't the best at picking up signals, and some people (often women), aren't good at giving out the right ones. And yes, I would consider wearing a miniskirt in a rough neighbourhood and flirting with some inebriated men "the wrong signal".

However, I do think there's a certain proportion of rape which has nothing at all to do with sex. Sounds silly, right? Except it's not. Rape fantasy, hot. Someone actually being raped is not. Tears and blood and genuine screams of terror don't tend to turn on the vast majority of us. Some people, though, people usually who feel powerless in their "Day lives", maybe office clerks, maybe men who were abused by their mothers, maybe a man who's just got out of jail after being railroaded by a girl who said she was 18 - anyone with a reason to feel powerless and attacked by women in general..

These people commit rape. And then it's not miscommunication. It's to wreck someone else's life, to prove they have the power to reach out and affect someone. Badly. Even these folks can be managed, though. It can be a trigger we have little to no control over - like they feel a need to assert themselves over women in floral print dresses, or high heels, because some figure in their past did the same, but often, it can be triggered by simple unkindness. An unnecessarily harsh dismissal, a lack of politeness, a lack of patience. All these things can be avoided if we just treat people nice.

Of course that works to an extent. An even smaller percentage aren't triggered by their own history or insecurity, and just get their kicks out of dominating, hurting, or killing other people. These are the sick fucks you need to kick in the crotch and run away from.

Just my two cents.

P

P.S There is absolutely nothing wrong with rape -fantasies-. Just leave it at that, boys.

 

[Rule 34]

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On the subject of rape - many people think and say that rape is not at all about sex, but about power.

That is wrong.

Rape is about sexually getting off on the power you hold over another being. Most people rape because it sexually excites them to be in complete and utter control. Rape IS sexual.

 

[Alias]

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Yes, but the root of rape isn't sexual. The core of rape is the power the rapist has over their victim. Control and dominance are the cores of rapes. It's a fact that (male) rapists lose their sex drive and can't perform if they discern a shift in the balance of power between him and his victim. Which is of course what you're saying, but it's also what they're saying. They're not saying it's not sexual at all - that would be stupid, since rape is a physically sexual act.

 

[Pale]

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Hmmm. I'm split on this.

Obviously, power play is a huge part of sex, even without all the kinky BDSM stuff young people seem to be into these days.

On the other hand, sex isn't really ABOUT the power play. There's also the desire for physical/emotional intimacy, biological imperative, and loneliness. Touching as much as possible, eye contact, and then whatever flirting/foreplay happens beforehand is a big part of it.

Rape doesn't really have much of that. Rather, it becomes all about degrading someone. Look at rape in prisons. Men who are otherwise totally straight, and don't find the male body attractive, will quite happily rape other straight men. To me, when intercourse becomes about the power play, like that, we can't call it sex any more. At the very least, it's very different from our normal connotations of "sex". I feel it's more helpful in the interests of clarity to keep them separate.

Otherwise, to describe sex, we'd say "It's like this, this, and this".... except when it's rape. The motivations are different, the action can be different (take non-intercourse rape, for example).. I just feel it's helpful to divide "rape" from "sex" as much as possible.

Things are changing.. but rape is still a crime people don't tend to take seriously. I think if we define it as violence, rather than sex, or a sexual crime, we can actually act to get it taken more seriously.

As a side note, someone mentioned lesbian/gay rape earlier, or rape committed by women. See link below for a clip from She Stole My Voice, a chilling documentary on lesbian rape.

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[Alias]

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I agree, sex is completely and totally different from rape.

I'll admit that I'm a control freak. I like being in control of the situation at all times, I like holding power over other people, I like directing where the conversation is moving, and most of all I like being in control of myself, which is part of the reason I'll never drink or smoke or take any drugs that might alter my behavior. At first glance, it's the same way with sex - I love tying my woman up and doing the whole master/slave bit. But if you look deeper (yeah as if you really want to), you'll see that the reason I enjoy it actually isn't tied to my love of control at all. It's the fact that she wants to be tied up that I find sexually stimulating, the fact that she wants to be on her knees. In actuality, my relationship with her is completely reversed in the bedroom when compared to the outside world - I'm a very dominating personality outside, but inside she is actually the one directing the flow of events. More often than I'm giving commands of "do this, do that," I'm asking "how do you want this," and "what position do you want."

That's the intimacy that I call lovemaking. Lovemaking is the most intimate action you can do with another human being, in my opinion. There's no closer you can get to someone else, at least if you value it as highly as I do. I think rape is sex, and lovemaking is sex, but not all sex is rape or lovemaking - for example, an arranged loveless marriage. I don't think it's rape - it can actually be quite enjoyable for both partners - but it's not lovemaking, because it doesn't have the intimacy.

So given that, let's focus on rape, the action, not what we may or may not call it. It really is about the power. Even your example proves this. When straight men rape men in prison, it's to assert their dominance and power over that other man, to establish their place in the pecking order. yeah, it's also about degradation, but that's part of establishing control and dominance over the other person as well.

As for classifying rape as violence and not a sexual crime... I have to disagree. Strongly. Maybe it is a good idea for other people, but for me personally, the very idea of rape spits on what sex is supposed to be. I'm an atheist, but if I had a religion it would be the woman I'm in love with, and her body would be the temple I worship in. That's what sex is supposed to be. Rape is like the ugly, corrupted, twisted perversion of that ideal. So for me, something that defiles something that is so... I don't know, holy to me, is far more abhorrent than simple violence. Rape, to me, is an even more horrific crime than murder. For the act itself, for the level of scum you have to be to commit rape, for the consequences afterwards...

My point is, in my mind, rape is worst crime anybody can commit, because of the sexual component. I think if we divorce the idea of rape from sex that it becomes less serious and your idea backfires. What do you think? Is my opinion of the gravity of rape the exception to the rule, rather than the norm?

 

[Pale]

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On a practical level.. yes, I'm with you.

We'll never be able to separate rape and sex completely in people's minds. If we could, it'd be great, but it just isn't possible. To classify it as a sexual crime, while somehow maintaining the understandin that it isn't sexually motivated, should be our goal.

Of course, I'd like to strip it of some of the stigmas that sex carries. I'd like people to be able to admit to being raped without shame. I'd like to eliminate any pity for people who do these sorts of things, take away the excuse of "I'm just a victim of my sex drive".

Just a thought, I wanted to fire out with regards to some stuff I said earlier..

When people are reported for rape to the police, and the nice men come knocking on the door to take them in for questioning.. how many do you think are expecting it? I.E, know they've raped someone?

P

 

[Alias]

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Of course, I'd like to strip it of some of the stigmas that sex carries. I'd like people to be able to admit to being raped without shame. I'd like to eliminate any pity for people who do these sorts of things, take away the excuse of "I'm just a victim of my sex drive".

I would love to see that happen too. However I think that more results from our societies being male-dominated. Female victims don't report because they're afraid their attackers will come after them, and generally their attackers are more powerful than them, either physically or affluently. Male victims don't report because the response is 'you weren't man enough to defend yourself from a woman?' Which is of course terribly sad.

It's also one of the reasons I don't think sexism will ever truly go away like racism eventually will, because human beings will always have an integral fear of anything different, and while interbreeding will eventually make us all hispanics, male and female will always be cut-and-dry different from one another.

 

[aika]

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Men do get raped, and while it may not happen quite as often as it does to women it's usually not reported. I forget the actual number, but it's less than fifty percent, maybe even as low a thirty percent of male victims will report the crime.

I'd love to know how this number is obtained

she wants to be tied up that I find sexually stimulating, the fact that she wants to be on her knees.

*envy*

I want my girlfriend to want to be tied up. Instead of it being me who wants to tie her up.

 

[Newbie]

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I'd love to know how this number is obtained

The same way they obtain the numbers for any unsavory topic: anonymous polling. While it's obviously not the most reliable method out for getting this information it's the most likely to yield respondents, though sometimes people will speak about it years later. Is there a statute of limitations on rape?

 

[Kusanagi]

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The same way they obtain the numbers for any unsavory topic: anonymous polling. While it's obviously not the most reliable method out for getting this information it's the most likely to yield respondents, though sometimes people will speak about it years later. Is there a statute of limitations on rape?

GOOGLE MOTHA-FUCKA

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No guarantee on the current-ness of it.

 

[Pheonix Alugere]

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GOOGLE MOTHA-FUCKA

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No guarantee on the current-ness of it.

On a minor note, I read that as sexual assault statues at first...

 

[Newbie]

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So the answer is "Maybe, depending on who, where, how, and with what." Even so, in most cases the police can't do anything unless charges are filed and rape victims are not fond of going to court because it seems a very public resolution to what they'd like to keep a very private event. Especially in unusual cases.