Should piracy of h games be defended?

[pleaserefrainfromjudging]

I'm not in a position to judge, because there was a time when I was still in college, and too poor to buy stuff.

But somebody has to pay for the content. If nobody pays for it, they shut down and don't make more stuff.

For example, these guys:

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I cried many tears when they shut down. I wanted them to make a sequel to Warrior Mankas, and perhaps even finish the game itself so it worked right. But then they shut down, and now there will never be a sequel!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So my thinking is: even if you pirate something out of desperation, because you are simply too poor to own it otherwise, .............. later on when you have money, if you enjoyed it, you should buy a licensed copy out of respect for the enjoyment they brought you.

 

[Motion3241]

People are willing to pay for good games, but in some countries it's not very easy to get games, at least for me.

 

[Dragon9814]

We should defend piracy at the same time we should gatekeep normies, puritans,fake fans,bandwagon jumpers & tourists out of our hobbies & out of our communities. & Before any of you guys jump my throat for defending piracy hear me out first.

If you cut off word of mouth & they never heard of you & your studio & saying that they didn't know you release a product but however if you guys know how to use & utilized pirates as your free advertisements more people will hear about you & more interests builds more money you will make.

To explain even farther allow me to ask you why some indies put their games on pirates sites & make more money than losing money?

& yes I agreed however we should release free playable demos & to end it here or at least for now if they backstabbed & betrayed you what then & if you guys want examples of what happens if you guys cut off the word of mouth feel free to let me know

 

[coco008]

Circumstances of everyone isn't the same.

Some can afford games without a sweat and you might think its a loss instead of just pirating it.
But, money usually goes to places where the developer needs them when they are paid for... so supporting them through paying does make sense if you really liked their games.

Other's well... don't hate them for not having money or being cheapskate.

Reality is a huge fat big bitch and should understand how fucking ruthless those who couldn't properly earn money especially in third world countries.
So being able to pirate them for free is like a relief for some folks who wanted to experience a game but unable to purchase them.

(Think of it as charity to those who can't afford them...)

(But humans are dicks and wants the world to burn so delete piracy if ya want... I can only say it will just make the gameless attractive since there are less people to talk to about them.)
Considering the audience targetted by it.

 

[Sitas]

DLsite recently geoblocked Germany and also took out the option of buying points with PayPal on the all-ages version.

What other option do I have left except from pirating?

So of course I'm gonna defend pirating, if the shops doesn't want my money.

 

[SoulLess Child]

For PayPal, I think it's on their side and not DLSite.

 

[super_slicer]

LOL, was going to say it might be the German government causing trouble instead of dlsite saying "I don't want YOUR money".

 

[Sukka]

Piracy is a distribution issue. Sure adult games have gotten better at this for example releasing in steam, and then acuiring patch on other site or theres also enlish version publishers like kagura and so on. Dlsite has issues especially with buying content from there when you have to buy prepaid cards depending on where you live or buying with cards hoping your bank lets the purchase go trough. Its not the best when you have to buy cerain amount of credit to buy for example 1 game you looking and now you have extra or if that games more expensive you have to do punch of single card purchases in some cases to get the points.

This has led me to often if i dont trust the dev or have not played they're previus games to pirate first and buy after if a truly enjoyed it.

 

[SoulLess Child]

Piracy is a distribution issue. Sure adult games have gotten better at this for example releasing in steam, and then acuiring patch on other site or theres also enlish version publishers like kagura and so on. Dlsite has issues especially with buying content from there when you have to buy prepaid cards depending on where you live or buying with cards hoping your bank lets the purchase go trough. Its not the best when you have to buy cerain amount of credit to buy for example 1 game you looking and now you have extra or if that games more expensive you have to do punch of single card purchases in some cases to get the points.

This has led me to often if i dont trust the dev or have not played they're previus games to pirate first and buy after if a truly enjoyed it.

That's a bit less a DLSite issue and more a payment processors one in many cases.

 

[Triplebrc]

I was pirating some and buying the ones I really wanted from devs I respected, especially if the latter also added frequent extra content. With Dlsite no longer being available to view for me without bothering to use the Onion browser and the option of buying points via Paypal, which was how I used to buy the games, no longer being possible, I will pirate 100% of the games from now on and not feel bad about it at all. So yes if the developers can't be bothered to make the games available to me in a somewhat reasonable manner, I will just pirate them and defend that decision too.

 

[SoulLess Child]

and the option of buying points via Paypal,

Might be PayPal being asses again, non-Asian payment processors tend to be bitchy, and if PayPal wisened to the work-around to their restrictions.

 

[Sukka]

That's a bit less a DLSite issue and more a payment processors one in many cases.

Yead definetly payment process issue, but also dl sites payment options are not the best sadly, and there really isint alternative stores for these products in most cases that would support more global reach than mainly asia.

 

[ChupacabraGonzales]

I have probably spent over $500 in support of various hentai projects (DLsite purchases or Patreon/Subscribestar/Ci-En).
I would say around $100 were good value for money where I absolutely felt the creator deserved my money.
~$300 felt kinda meh. Not great, but not kinda bad either. This experience is the reason why today I will wait a couple more weeks to try the pirated version instead of buying something on release. Too much money wasted on things that looked like they had potential but turned out mediocre.
~$100 dollars that I regret spending and I always encourage everyone else to pirate the everliving shit out of these projects. These are projects that established one set of expectations and then did a complete 180 degree turn because dev suddenly decided he want to release game on steam and needs to appease their content guideliness, or other undelivered promises, etc...

 

[pleaserefrainfromjudging]

I look at it as an income thing.

When I was in college, dirt poor, I pirated a few games. Had a roommate that was really into it. He pirated everything. Movies, games, you name it he pirated it. Looking back, there is no way I would have been able to experience any of that if I didn't steal it. Some of it anyway. I didn't pirate top tier games like the Witcher. It was important for me to have my own copy of that. (I didn't know H games even existed at this time, so I'm only speaking about pirating mainstream games.)

Now that I have a good paying job, It would be a dick move for me to pirate anything. ANYTHING.

If you are well off, you shouldn't rip off people who might be poorer than you.

 

[Triplebrc]

If you are well off, you shouldn't rip off people who might be poorer than you.

It is up to them to create a reliable way for me to pay for it. Piracy is more often than not a problem of availability, not someone being stingy, hardcore pirates aside. If its more comfortable to pay for a game instead of waiting for days, sometimes weeks to find a free copy online somewhere, then thats what many people will do if the price is reasonable, and in this specific case privacy is a given.

Dlsite points were a good way to do that, as it only said that points were purchased, but obviously not what these points then were used for, it was easy to buy them via paypal. The points can no longer be purchased with paypal though, they want credit cards now, I don't have one and will never get one either, certainly not for the privilege of giving my money to a porn game developer, its literally less work to type in the name of the game into a search engine and downloading it than it is to bother getting a credit card for this sole purpose.
Hell I can't even access the site itself anymore anyway without faking my location, extra work I am not keen on putting in, can't imagine a more blatant way to say "we don't want your money". I haven't seen any reaction to that from the developers either, not in my pms on DLsite, not on Ci-En where I used to financially support some of them and now no longer can because I ran out of points and can't buy new ones, obviously they do not care so why should I, especially when its just copying something digital, hardly "ripping them off" if they have no cost from me doing that.

 

[SoulLess Child]

It is up to them to create a reliable way for me to pay for it. Piracy is more often than not a problem of availability, not someone being stingy, hardcore pirates aside. If its more comfortable to pay for a game instead of waiting for days, sometimes weeks to find a free copy online somewhere, then thats what many people will do if the price is reasonable, and in this specific case privacy is a given.

Dlsite points were a good way to do that, as it only said that points were purchased, but obviously not what these points then were used for, it was easy to buy them via paypal. The points can no longer be purchased with paypal though, they want credit cards now, I don't have one and will never get one either, certainly not for the privilege of giving my money to a porn game developer, its literally less work to type in the name of the game into a search engine and downloading it than it is to bother getting a credit card for this sole purpose.
Hell I can't even access the site itself anymore anyway without faking my location, extra work I am not keen on putting in, can't imagine a more blatant way to say "we don't want your money". I haven't seen any reaction to that from the developers either, not in my pms on DLsite, not on Ci-En where I used to financially support some of them and now no longer can because I ran out of points and can't buy new ones, obviously they do not care so why should I, especially when its just copying something digital, hardly "ripping them off" if they have no cost from me doing that.

Last I checked, it was still a PayPal issue, not a DLSite one.

 

[Triplebrc]

Last I checked, it was still a PayPal issue, not a DLSite one.

You keep repeating that, still not realizing that it does not make a difference at all, and that its likely horseshit too given that the Paypal option disappearing came at the exact same time as the site access being denied alltogether. The result is the same, and neither the devs nor Dlsite have bothered to present another method I could use instead, so I will just keep pirating their stuff as I have no way to pay for it anymore without having to get a credit card, which I do not want, especially not for something like this. Also Dlsite no longer even allowing people from my country access has nothing to do with Paypal either, obviously, yet this is an ongoing issue too that I have to use an annoying workaround for. Either they really don't have their shit together, or they simply do not want money from people who live in my country, wouldn't be the first time for japanese sites either. I don't really care which one it is either at this point.

 

[Captainstarfish]

Also Dlsite no longer even allowing people from my country access has nothing to do with Paypal either

You wouldn't be German by any chance? If so, then the blame lies with your fuck-off stupid government getting rid of your access to porn along with your access to that sweet, sweet, nuclear power. Apparently you can't even buy adult games from Steam going off all of the panicking from germans who are backing western Patreon projects.

 

[super_slicer]

Yeah, it's pretty rare for a site to block a country. Especially one that wants to sell something. Far more common that a country blocks access to a site.

 

[Triplebrc]

Yeah, it's pretty rare for a site to block a country. Especially one that wants to sell something. Far more common that a country blocks access to a site.

According to pretty much all sources, it was indeed Dlsite that initiated the block, though they claim that they didn't want to, compared it to the situation with Russia in 2018, you know your country is winning when its compared to Russia, no solution in sight currently. The most likely scenario from what I have read is that its due to Dlsite selling pedophile content, which yeah it absolutely does, Germany doesn't take too kindly to that, which is a mindset that normally would have my support if it wasn't for the fact that its A, pedo content about fictional characters thats technically harming nobody, and B, totally optional with plenty of products that do not have it.
While being unable to purchase from DlSite is quite annoying, it is managable, hell I even save money with it, losing some comfort but getting something out of it too given how easily available many products are within a day or two of release. Not all releases can be found online though, especially not the smaller ones, at least not by me, and not being able to support devs on Ci-En anymore either because the only non credit card way to do that was Dlsite points sucks a lot, for both the devs as well as me.