What's new

In today's news...


Sinfulwolf

H-Section Moderator
H-Section Moderator
Joined
Nov 28, 2008
Messages
6,983
Reputation score
434
Re: Megaupload Charged with Piracy, No One Surprised

This is facism at its worst.
Not saying what's happening is right, but come on. Really, at its worst? No one's being dragged out into the streets and shot yet. It can get much much worse than losing a file sharing site.

Don't believe me? Take a walk around countries that aren't democratic. I hear China is real nice to its people. I don't think anyone's been stoned in Afghanistan for a few months.
 
B

Blagtastic88

Guest
Re: Megaupload Charged with Piracy, No One Surprised

Or you could live in Iran and get because you developed software that was used for porn site without your knowledge. Seriously, mostly first world problems around these parts and barring the occasional SOPA/PIPA/power grab stuff, I'm glad to have the problems I do have instead of say wondering if I'm going to get shot in the street because I happened to look at someone the wrong way.
 

Hand Solo

Demon Girl
Joined
Oct 14, 2010
Messages
85
Reputation score
4
Taking Responsibility On File-Sharing...

So here's the issue.

Like DMCA, SOPA and PIPA are designed to "stop online piracy"(supposedly). From what I have been reading, people are not disagreeing with the idea that something should be done to protect copyrighted material. Their main complaint is the wording, and powers granted, by SOPA/PIPA.

I have to admit that I agree that owners of copyrighted material should be able to protect their products. To me, it appears that we have been part of the problem that has ultimately led up to the need for copyrighted laws.

I have often seen games posted in a new thread that will link to the site(e.g. DLSite) selling the game only to have another link, several lines down, to a file-sharing site(e.g. mediafire) where someone can download the entire game for free.

Don't get me wrong...I have downloaded my share of stuff in the past. However, I can understand why the game developers would be a little upset at this. If they wanted to give the games(or other software for that matter) away for free--they would have done so. I know this doesn't hold true for ALL developers, but some of them DO care.

So here's my point. While all of us were busy protesting SOPA/PIPA, how many of us took stock of how we have contributed to the problem? The only way to truly be rid of ridiculous legislation like this is to prove there is no threat. That will require everyone to be more "honest" about what they download and share.

So what are your thoughts everyone?
 

DarkFire1004

Tentacle Goddess of the H-Section
Staff member
Administrator
Super Moderator
Joined
Nov 10, 2008
Messages
4,912
Reputation score
1,796
Re: Taking Responsibility On File-Sharing...

I'd feel bad about what I did if I knew that these laws were about protecting smalltime hentai game developers and their copyrights, not empowering giant corporations.
 

Nunu

Despot
Former Admin
Joined
Nov 9, 2008
Messages
3,806
Reputation score
312
Re: Taking Responsibility On File-Sharing...

should i wrap this into the news thread?
 

Kusanagi

Chief Nippleseer
Joined
Nov 10, 2008
Messages
4,290
Reputation score
308
Re: Taking Responsibility On File-Sharing...

Probably, since you said you were going to start doing that.
 

Master_Bei_Shun

Lurker
RP Moderator
Joined
Nov 14, 2008
Messages
1,145
Reputation score
132
Re: Taking Responsibility On File-Sharing...

So here's my point. While all of us were busy protesting SOPA/PIPA, how many of us took stock of how we have contributed to the problem? The only way to truly be rid of ridiculous legislation like this is to prove there is no threat. That will require everyone to be more "honest" about what they download and share.

So what are your thoughts everyone?
The only downloaded game I have that was from a pay to play site was Shinobi Girl... Every single other one is still in free distribution and/or in development...

So as for H-games I wouldn't be losing out on much if I didn't download that anymore...

The real problem for me is E-Gallery...

Fairly certain everything but some of the "Western" or the "Misc" are copywrit material and I'm browsing that pretty much nightly...

Then the weekly jump scanlations...

Piracy I may do... But illegal downloading I actually already refrain from...



Now my thoughts on this...

After reviewing some of the points of PIPA...

Only needs a tweak and I'd vote it in...

Instead of having the government dictate what site is "Malicious or Not" and FORCE a redirect...

1st) Make a collective database of all the most advanced Anti-virus and firewall technologies "Malicious Sites"

2nd) Make it a pop-up that the Federal Government has tagged this site as a "Mal-Site"

3rd) make it optional to be able to actually enter said "mal-site"... No database is perfect... And is it IS malicious... They ignored the warnings of there own volition...

And there you go PIPA+ in three easy steps...
 

Serpentar

Lurker
Joined
Oct 31, 2009
Messages
97
Reputation score
7
Re: Taking Responsibility On File-Sharing...

The only downloaded game I have that was from a pay to play site was Shinobi Girl... Every single other one is still in free distribution and/or in development...

So as for H-games I wouldn't be losing out on much if I didn't download that anymore...

The real problem for me is E-Gallery...

Fairly certain everything but some of the "Western" or the "Misc" are copywrit material and I'm browsing that pretty much nightly...

Then the weekly jump scanlations...

Piracy I may do... But illegal downloading I actually already refrain from...



Now my thoughts on this...

After reviewing some of the points of PIPA...

Only needs a tweak and I'd vote it in...

Instead of having the government dictate what site is "Malicious or Not" and FORCE a redirect...

1st) Make a collective database of all the most advanced Anti-virus and firewall technologies "Malicious Sites"

2nd) Make it a pop-up that the Federal Government has tagged this site as a "Mal-Site"

3rd) make it optional to be able to actually enter said "mal-site"... No database is perfect... And is it IS malicious... They ignored the warnings of there own volition...

And there you go PIPA+ in three easy steps...
Another problem with both SOPA/PIPA is that a current technology they are rolling out called DNSSEC conflicts with both of their intended actions against sites that they block due to piracy/copyright infringements etc. Basically DNSSEC is to prevent DNS spoofing thus redirecting you from valid sites to malicious ones. Or least this is how I understand it. Even DISA, the computer security branch of the DoD, and Department of Homeland Security were for and wanting to help with its deployment.
 

Chibichibi

Big Sis
Joined
Nov 10, 2008
Messages
4,853
Reputation score
268
Re: In today's news...

In case no one has posted these links yet....









And..... cue protest. We have won against SOPA for now, but we can't slide into complacency with this new bill. Tell everyone you know. Those of you who live in the US, if this law passes and they see you've been scouting Lolita or Shouta porn, this bill will be all they need to arrest you and put you away for child pornography.

Senator Lamar Smith needs to choke on a chicken bone or something. I can only hope for head trauma that makes him unable to write out these ridiculous things.
 

Eye

Tentacle Monster
Joined
Jun 3, 2011
Messages
323
Reputation score
32
Re: In today's news...

Hey, remember SOPA?

What would it be like if it was fucking everywhere?



OH SHIT.

 

FunMan

Demon Girl Pro
Joined
Jul 30, 2011
Messages
1
Reputation score
2
Re: Megaupload Charged with Piracy, No One Surprised

Megaupload never worked for me anyway but still shutting it down is a volation of freedom of speech seeing that the damn site tries to remove all copyrighted content anyway.
Agree, same experience with Megaupload and have the same thoughts. It was just retaliatory for blackout. In the US Thomas Jefferson one of the founders said that the government should be overthrown every 200 years just to keep it honest, long overdue it seems.
 

atomicfire

Jungle Girl
Joined
Jan 19, 2012
Messages
29
Reputation score
27
Re: In today's news...

I think it's awesome that they are trying to stop piracy with these bills and stuff. You wont ever stop piracy on the internet the best you could hope to do is make it more difficult for people to access.
 

Newbie

Lurker
Joined
Nov 9, 2008
Messages
1,789
Reputation score
180
Re: In today's news...

In case no one has posted these links yet....

And..... cue protest. We have won against SOPA for now, but we can't slide into complacency with this new bill. Tell everyone you know. Those of you who live in the US, if this law passes and they see you've been scouting Lolita or Shouta porn, this bill will be all they need to arrest you and put you away for child pornography.
Actually, this seems quite benign. It forces service providers to keep track of temporary ISPs for a year, but I believe there's a previous ruling in place that says that an ISP is not a person. It may be enough to get a warrant to search your home, but it's not enough to jail or charge anybody by far.

EDIT: I just read some of those summaries. I didn't see any of that in the bill, but I ain't no law scholar. Less benign, to be sure.

I think it's awesome that they are trying to stop piracy with these bills and stuff. You wont ever stop piracy on the internet the best you could hope to do is make it more difficult for people to access.
The thing is, when you try and put barriers in the way of pirates you have to put the same barriers in front of your legitimate customers. And if/when the pirates manage to find a way through your defenses, the legitimate customers still have to deal with it. I believe someone mentioned earlier they pirated a copy of a game they already owned so they would not have to deal with DRM horseshit. There are a number of people who'd likely forgo the purchase at all in such a case. I can understand the need to try things like copy protection and drm, but all you end up doing is removing functionality from your product and slowly alienating your customer base.
 

Hand Solo

Demon Girl
Joined
Oct 14, 2010
Messages
85
Reputation score
4
Re: In today's news...

Hey, remember SOPA?

What would it be like if it was fucking everywhere?



OH SHIT.

The TRULY Effed-up part about ACTA:



Once you're on the Library of Congress site, do a search for "Anti(-)Piracy Agreement" and see if you can find it in their lists. You won't.

You CAN, however, find "Digital Millenium Copyright" and "Stop Online Piracy". You can not obtain information about ACTA unless you find one of the websites who were able to obtain one of the leaked copies. Our government states that to release the specifics of ACTA would be a threat to our "national security". Such BS. Here is a quote I absolutely love from your link above:

"Third party liability for Internet Server Providers is like making the post office responsible for what is inside the letters they send."
Alexander Alvaro, Member of European Parliament, ALDE, Germany.
On a side note, can anyone find any information about S.780 or S.92--the "Protecting Consumer Phone Records Act"? I'm trying to find if it was ultimately defeated. If so, we need to pressure law-makers to get this back on board.

Actually, this seems quite benign. It forces service providers to keep track of temporary ISPs for a year, but I believe there's a previous ruling in place that says that an ISP is not a person. It may be enough to get a warrant to search your home, but it's not enough to jail or charge anybody by far.

EDIT: I just read some of those summaries. I didn't see any of that in the bill, but I ain't no law scholar. Less benign, to be sure.



The thing is, when you try and put barriers in the way of pirates you have to put the same barriers in front of your legitimate customers. And if/when the pirates manage to find a way through your defenses, the legitimate customers still have to deal with it. I believe someone mentioned earlier they pirated a copy of a game they already owned so they would not have to deal with DRM horseshit. There are a number of people who'd likely forgo the purchase at all in such a case. I can understand the need to try things like copy protection and drm, but all you end up doing is removing functionality from your product and slowly alienating your customer base.
From what I have read, the problem with the "Children's Online Privacy Protection Act" is that ISP's are required to store ALL of your online activity for a minimum of twelve months. This includes bank activity, credit card information, physical address and other personal information. Now's here's the kick-in-the-nuts: in order to obtain this information from ISP's...government agencies need only ask! According to the bill, government agencies would not need a court-issued warrant for this. In fact, they would not even need "probable suspicion" OR "just cause".

Basically, this law allows government agencies to circumvent all the preventative measures that was put in place to protect people's civil rights. A law enforcement agency can't search your house without a warrant, but can obtain most of the information they would need ANYWAY from an ISP online without needing to go through the courts AT ALL.

That is where the true problem is.

Here is some more information from the Library of Congress:


To protest this Act, go here:


In the upper left-hand corner, there is a pre-arranged message from the EFF. Please read and adjust as you feel necessary.

Very Important: PLEASE SPREAD THE WORD These privacy invasion laws are getting out of hand. While you're at it, ask your representatives to push for S.780 and S.92--the "Protecting Consumer Phone Records Act". This will directly oppose ACTA(on the phone-side) since smartphones are now so prevalent, as well as prevent companies pulling stunts like Carrier IQ. Here is more info on that:


We(the people) are going to have to start stepping up to the governments of the world and start speaking out. We can no longer wait on others to do what we all should have been doing from the beginning. Good luck everyone in protecting the future of the internet.

[edit]
Now I have read this law and from what I read it only applies to "anyone who operates a website or online service". The only personal information that is collected is the information you give to the website/online service. Their retaining of financial transactions honestly aren't different from what stores do today.

It also appears that law-enforcement agencies DO require a subpoena to access this information. According to the link I provided from the EFF, the opposite is stated. I am not a lawyer, and the EFF deals with a more law-related issues than I do, but I honestly no longer see what the concern is. If anyone can find anything different, please let me know. I no longer am concerned unless new info comes to light.



[/edit]
 
Last edited:

Trickster

Newbie
Joined
May 25, 2011
Messages
4
Reputation score
0
Re: In today's news...

FileSonic has just announced, without previous warning, that their 'sharing is now disabled'. They've turned into a file locker service now.



I can't help but think this has everything to do with the current series of events and that it might be chaining into MU's demise. I sure as hell don't want to see MediaFire follow suit...
 

Cactuses

The user formerly known as MoT
Joined
Nov 16, 2008
Messages
729
Reputation score
51
Re: In today's news...



You american guys should probably find this intresting and sign it.
For greater good.
 

Eye

Tentacle Monster
Joined
Jun 3, 2011
Messages
323
Reputation score
32
Re: In today's news...



You american guys should probably find this intresting and sign it.
For greater good.
Already did bro.
 

Hand Solo

Demon Girl
Joined
Oct 14, 2010
Messages
85
Reputation score
4
Re: In today's news...



You american guys should probably find this intresting and sign it.
For greater good.
Thanks for the head's up. Here is a link to the actual article on the Fox News website:
 

Kusanagi

Chief Nippleseer
Joined
Nov 10, 2008
Messages
4,290
Reputation score
308
Re: In today's news...

Petition ACTA:
 

super_slicer

Lord High Inquisitor
Staff member
H-Section Moderator
Joined
Nov 17, 2010
Messages
12,574
Reputation score
30,713
Re: In today's news...

HAHAHAHAHA, I'd love to see them enforce these laws. Most ISPs don't have the equipment or the personell to monitor what EVERYONE is doing. So if they're left holding the blame we're going to see massive internet blackouts as they are either shut down completely or are re-tooling to fit thier new purpose as hollywood's watchdogs.

And if the fucks start going after indiviuals... well to be honest there's no profit in it at all. No person convicted of pirating IP will be able to pay the fines and if we start throwing people in prison for that, well our prison system in the US is overtaxed already and I can't imagine it's much better anywhere else (maybe it is though?), what happens when millions more people get thrown in there because they listened to a song off a streaming site?


Also, FUCK YEAH! I don't watch football often, but I caught like a half hour of the giants v 49ers yesterday and the 49ers had two fouls (fuck me IDK football terms) FROM THE SAME MOTHERFUCKING PLAYER. That made me want HIM to lose.
 
Top