Dark Gate OOC Thread

[Hafnium]

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Just a few notes re. the mechanical bits of that concept (I'm not really for or against it, honestly, as while I'm fond of wolfgirls and wolfboys I kinda feel like most of this sort of thing can be handled with part demon):

The stats and talent bonuses aren't 1:1 balanced, which thus far has been a requirement for DG races. You have 18 XP points of added boosts (+8 body, +2 spirit, Perceptive account to +8, +2, +8) and 40 points of penalties (Mutated, Easily Aroused, Sensitive, Fertile/Infertile, and a gender-specific Fetish account to -8, -8, -8, -8, -8). Racial succubus powers and mutations don't count toward this based on precedent, so I'm assuming racial skills don't either. Your best bet would probably be to drop the 2 spirit and 3 of the flaws. But you could also increase some stats to better match up with the flaw points, if that's more your bag.

It's also bit odd that the fetishes diverge between males and females, since the female one could be applicable for either (and, like with Su-Ku-Ta's beast fetish you can kinda draw your own conclusion as to why a race of wolfpeople likes doing things doggy style) and the male one seems oddly specific without any information given in the racial description as to why an entire race's males (and only males) has become obsessed with the boobage.

Also, it suddenly occurs to me (because it also occurred to me on this suggestion) that the way the Su-Ku-Ta race blurb is worded now a player could technically make a Su-Ku-Ta that had no cat-like features to speak of since all the mutations are optional. Kinda feel like maybe the tails and funny ears should be a prerequisite (which is actually something I would recommend for this suggestion as well if the su-ku-ta entry goes that way).

Finally, no mutations to allow for knots? C'mon, man. I mean... c'mon.

 

[Mamono Assault Force]

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That, and points into stat adjustments are kind of a thing of the past since people usually build around them, and thusly makes their existence kind of pointless. An example of this being a Spirit User using a Race that has +8 Body. All they do is throw 2 stat points into Body to make it 10 and then throw the rest towards their main stat.

Perhaps nice for that pinch of flavor by saying "This Race is more physically inclined!" But other than that, it doesn't hold a whole lot of point.

 

[Host]

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New race proposal here that I thought DG needed

No.

since we have the Su-Ku-Ta, or nekos as I often call

No.

I thought we needed

No.



Symmetry (- not that cat/dog is actually a symmetrical comparison in most aspects -) is a terrible reason to do much of anything, no matter what Death the Kid says. Please put actual thought into your ideas before showing them to others.

Your lore idea would be an absolute butchery of the effort that Tassadar, and to a lesser extent other players and people have already put into building the world. These dogs have no interesting qualities to them, and no reason to exist beyond "well we already had cats, so lets get dogs too for the complete set, durr hurr!". That is not a sufficient reason to create a race, let alone one with the lore you've suggested.


Saying 'some humans that were caught in the first invasion actually became dogs instead' steps on the toes of already established lore more than it needs to. You've given no legitimate or interesting reason to happen other than 'well it COULD have happened, so it did!', and that's glaringly insufficient. The results of the first invasion have already been described as becoming Su-Ku-Ta; creating a whole second culture from this moment that was somehow missed by history is too invasive toward the world that already exists.

Then there's the outlandishly implausible idea that every single surviving member of these new dog people would, as one group, decide to move to the entire other side of the continent. Mind that this means they moved into a place that is not only the exact opposite of the desert they came from, but also the most deadly place on the continent they could go.

Saying that they're nice and don't sexually discriminate, despite coming from the exact same origins as the Su-Ku-Ta, is just another stretch of logic in a series of ridiculous stretches of logic. Sure, it 'could' happen, but you haven't provided any good reason that it should happen.

Given how 'nice and friendly and open' they are, it just makes even less sense that they would choose to completely isolate themselves - again, as a whole culture - in the Pfitherean jungle, where the least number of people in the world are. The far more likely possibility would be for them to disperse into other species' cultures and have their traits bred out, until they no longer existed. Even if they did head to the jungle, the most likely course of action is for them to die out exceedingly quickly to the throngs of horrible diseases, parasites and monsters that already lived there.


The net problems with this race idea can be seen pretty easily in the writing of the post itself. You sound like you created this race for no reason other than seeing the Su-Ku-Ta, and wanting to have a dog version instead... with only the barest hint of thought on how such a race would work, or why it would exist, or what would be reasonable given the setting.


You want a wolf critter? Use part-demons, use wilder-hearted canine-spirit blessed, even throw a character in from a different universe if you need to.

But don't blurt out something that invades on the lore Tassadar has spent his time creating, without actually putting good thought and polish into it. Have the self-evaluation skills to determine when an idea of yours is simply not a good one; save everyone else from needing to sully their eyes on it.


...And yes, I say this being the guy who threw the Shadow Demons in.

 

[Mamono Assault Force]

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...the effort that Tassadar, and to a lesser extent other players and people have already put into building the world.

The players have been a rather large contribution to the lore. As I was talking to Tass and asking him about the Lore, he said off-hand that a lot of pieces were as a result to the contributions of players and their threads.

Tassadar runs it, but it's as awesome as it is now due to it being a large collaborative effort.

 

[plmnko]

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The players have been a rather large contribution to the lore. As I was talking to Tass and asking him about the Lore, he said off-hand that a lot of pieces were as a result to the contributions of players and their threads.

Tassadar runs it, but it's as awesome as it is now due to it being a large collaborative effort.

Indeed, we cant just say completely no to an idea, even when it have some mistakes at the lore it dont mean than you cant change it.

Lets say like example than Su-Ku-Ta evolved at DG4 making a variety of many races, getting addapted to the enviroment and things. Then you could place a lot of animal races with different stats and all will be completely legal

 

[Mamono Assault Force]

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Not siding for or against what Host was about. When it comes to certain flavors of shape, Mutations can pretty much make the more basic stuff such as what Mind Flayer proposed. One can become an "Okami", or at least a fake one that looks exactly like the original, through character creation.

Only when the race is too unique for that option(Vampires), or possesses a very important part of Lore(Elves, Sukuta, Orcs, Dragonkin), do I believe they should actually warrant a place in the list of races. Tass might accept Flayer's suggestion and put it into official Lore, or he might not. Really depends on how much presence the Okami would have in the world.

 

[plmnko]

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So in others words, Mind Flayer must make a futa okami who needs to fuck any female creature than she can find at her way, then make a hug healty Okami Civization, after some years his character will earn the tittle of Gran Matriarch or something like that, after many years Okami Race will healthy grow and conquer the word and every Friday she will be honored with huge Orgies at her name in the whole word O_O

 

[Mamono Assault Force]

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So in others words, Mind Flayer must make a futa okami who needs to fuck any female creature than she can find at her way, then make a hug healty Okami Civization, after some years his character will earn the tittle of Gran Matriarch or something like that, after many years Okami Race will healthy grow and conquer the word and every Friday she will be honored with huge Orgies at her name in the whole word O_O

... Exactly.

 

[Hentaispider]

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I don't really have anything new to add, but I agree with Hafnium and Host. This race just seems poorly-thought out, both fluff- and crunchwise, and it would be a big mess trying to insert an entire culture that somehow has never been mentioned before into the lore.

 

[plmnko]

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Well, to being a little more serious. I think than an Okami could fit really well at DG.

To make it an special race we could add her the wolf special ability who is get a +2 bonnus per each wolf and Okami, as wolf attack usually in herds. This dont put in mind than an Okami character cant fight alone, but work in team a good option for them. Another plus could be being able to comunicate with any canine and after give birth she could put her babies at a wolf den where all the wolf will take care of the baby, as if this were of a high rank (Okami)

Like penalty she could be a little more affected at the heat status and the many wolves at the zone could get close her to mate, what could be a good or bad thing. Also in horny and heat status she could have a reduction to her mind resistance. You could also add submisive feat here.

About her Lore this race could come from hibrids from female breeders and mutated wolves. Or some demons loved the idea to change humans to pets using mutation then they escape and mate.

Sorry, im out of time to work so i can put all these ideas in order, i will try to do it later.

 

[Unknown Squid]

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...without any information given (...) as to why an entire race's males (and only males) has become obsessed with the boobage.

Yeah I'know rite. How friggin unrealistic is that? Would never happen.

(Not weighing in on the wolfdog controversy. Just wanted to joke about that line. I still know what Haf meant by it.)

 

[Mind Flayer]

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Well I did say everything was subject to change about it, so anything that would make it fit in better is on the table, I just personally thought that since we have cat people that we needed wolf people. Also I did just write everything last night in like an hour, so I knew that there would be some things that might be wrong or wouldn't fit.

My thought as to why males prefer large breasts is for the obvious, that the females would be able to better feed their young with large breasts, though that can be changed of course if need be.

I already did talk to Tass about it last night though and he told me to go ahead and pitch the idea out for everyone to help break it down if need be to make it work better into the lore, so any and everything about it can be changed if need be, though I still think that they should have Perceptive as a racial talent at least because of their better sense of smell. I'm open to any ideas that could make it work better though, which is why I pitched the idea out here for everyone to see instead of keeping it to myself, so that everyone could help me to make it work somehow.

 

[Hentaispider]

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My thought as to why males prefer large breasts is for the obvious, that the females would be able to better feed their young with large breasts, though that can be changed of course if need be.

Milk production isn't connected to breast size.

 

[Rule 34]

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Dogs are fascinated by butts, aren't they? Wouldn't that be the more obvious choice for their fetish?

 

[GargantuaBlarg]

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Some cat dudes turned into wolf dudes

Man what

Isolationist, male-dominated culture, suddenly becoming open and equalist

...Plausible, given the culture predominant in their new territory. Though it is somewhat counteracted by them fucking way the hell off away from errbody. I can't recall how old they are as a 'culture' - a culture and biological shift would take some time, after all. Aren't catmans are moderately young themselves?

Wolves in the jungle

AFAIK the jungle is not a place you normally find wolves. When I think wolves, I think... forests, tundra, plains. Not jungles.

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Wolfgirls can be done easily with templating and mutations, as well. I don't think it needs to be a thing - not with that fluff and stuff, at any rate.



Just saying, though, there's no Aztec culture yet. Gotta have dudes that practice hymen-regenerating magic for their blood sacrifices n' shit.

 

[Hafnium]

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That, and points into stat adjustments are kind of a thing of the past since people usually build around them, and thusly makes their existence kind of pointless. An example of this being a Spirit User using a Race that has +8 Body. All they do is throw 2 stat points into Body to make it 10 and then throw the rest towards their main stat.

Perhaps nice for that pinch of flavor by saying "This Race is more physically inclined!" But other than that, it doesn't hold a whole lot of point.

Does it need more of a point than that? It's still beneficial and it still portrays the race as being physically inclined enough that they can focus on their spirit/mind without losing too much in the way of physical fitness. >.>

@Squid

Oh, you.

My thought as to why males prefer large breasts is for the obvious, that the females would be able to better feed their young with large breasts, though that can be changed of course if need be.

That's not really obvious when inserted next to doggy style as a fetish for females. One gender is showing a preference for females capable of caring for their young and one is only showing a preference for the direction a cock enters them from. If that's the case then I'd probably have the females have a fetish for more alpha tendencies in their male counterparts or more virile and powerful males to better convey that the race still has innate and animalistic tendencies towards trying to select the best mates.

My points contained in my comments for making them work mechanically as a DG race are still applicable.

@Fluff Stuff

I actually feel like there's a bit of unnecessary harshness here. >.> Most DG races have been fleshed out during play, including Su-Ku-Ta, Kitsune, Alraunes, Faeries of all sorts, even monsters races like Sphinxes, and many more. There are also several cases of races being introduced simply because they fulfill someone's fetish or simply because a person has a desire to play them, even when modifying/mutating an existing race and choosing existing mutations and flaws would've been enough to make them work in game.

Several of the points made, like their splitting from the Su-Ku-Ta, could be chalked up to some sort of persecution from their cat-like and human brethren Maybe they were more savage in these days? Maybe their kin were? Maybe that led the less feral of their kind to flee elsewhere even though it was into the most dangerous place on Donevrion just to stop themselves from being butchered along with their feralkin? Maybe that could even be a thing where there are still feral Okami who are peaceful toward their civilized kin but attack all outsiders. But then again none of these actually assist in explaining why they're okay with outsiders but it might explain why they're not as patriarchal as their cousins in that they simply couldn't afford to be.

I honestly think it might be beneficial to summarize a bit more, and focus more on what their culture has become rather than drawing repeated comparisons to where they're like and unlike Su-Ku-Ta. It'd probably make them feel less like the Amazon's answer to catpeople and more like their own living, breathing race. Giving them a few unique cultural quirks and traits would probably also help shush the "why not just part demon" crowd (myself included). Just thoughts drawn from skimming over it a few times.

Also, man. Some sort of Estrus/Rut mutation would be awesome. I've tried multiple times to figure out some sort of mechanical way to suggest it that wouldn't be kinda boring in practice but haven't come up with anything yet. All the fetish points to somebody who can come up with something interesting on that front.

 

[Hentaispider]

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Just saying, though, there's no Aztec culture yet. Gotta have dudes that practice hymen-regenerating magic for their blood sacrifices n' shit.

I want to cut off someone's heart on top of a ziggurat and sacrifice it to grimdark gods keeping the sun in the sky.

 

[Hafnium]

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I want to cut off someone's heart on top of a ziggurat and sacrifice it to grimdark gods keeping the sun in the sky.

I want a rabbit-person aztec culture that does this sort of thing to alraunes and then eats them.

Dump the alraune prisoners into an upside down dome and then pour boiling cheese on them while they still live. When the cheese cools, the rabbit people begin their feast.

 

[GargantuaBlarg]

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Man, what if it was one of those crazy races with ridiculous super-regneration? So like, you could get ten hearts out of a guy as they kept growing back, before he ultimately kicked the bucket. That would be pretty radical.

@Going into heat, wouldn't it just be a resistance check or get aroused/get horny sorta thing, triggered every [whenever]?


Though now that you mention it, that is pretty boring.

**EDIT**
Oh wait. They're not actually biologically related to Sukuta -at all-. Goddammit werds

 

[Mamono Assault Force]

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Does it need more of a point than that? It's still beneficial and it still portrays the race as being physically inclined enough that they can focus on their spirit/mind without losing too much in the way of physical fitness. >.>

No, it doesn't need more point. At the same time, it doesn't have more point beyond that to a majority of players who just build over it.

It doesn't really exist beyond fluff as far as reasons.