Dlc in hentai games, Yay or Nay

[azurezero]

I just wanted to know what people thought of the concept, because i might be implementing 3 dlc expansions to my next rpg maker game, each adding a significant chapter to the game and a new evil character to evade each with their own fetish focuses and game overs... and by evade i mean literally unlock new segments of the game where they hold domain with new puzzles and things...

I've seen other games do it pretty well aswell, like

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[ToxicShock]

Re: Dlc in hentai games, Yay or Nay

with rpgmaker? Eh, I don't think so.

Aren't these games all "dlc" anyway?

 

[azurezero]

Re: Dlc in hentai games, Yay or Nay

with rpgmaker? Eh, I don't think so.

Aren't these games all "dlc" anyway?

indeed, but i was talking expansions, since the method i found to do my usual demo+ unlock file thing can also be cloned for dlc

only thing people would have to do is download the latest demo then put the dlcunlock file in the game folder


the upside to this is i can continue working on a game after completion without having to have built in any pesky patching script first...which were mindblowing...i couldnt understand how they were supposed to work

 

[foamy111]

Re: Dlc in hentai games, Yay or Nay

Personally I find having to buy DLC for a game stupid. You shouldn't have to pay extra for the game just because it was released half finished. On the other hand free DLC bothers me to less of an extant, but still is annoying. I consider things like bug fixes a form of DLC. I know that every game will have bugs and stuff so fixes for minor bugs is unavoidable, but if it has easy to find game breaking bugs then I have to go back to the half finished game complaint. An example of this is the Maiden Snow game with an enormous amount of game breaking bugs that just ruined the entire game for me, especially since you have to patch it multiple times just to fix some of them.

 

[azurezero]

Re: Dlc in hentai games, Yay or Nay

Personally I find having to buy DLC for a game stupid. You shouldn't have to pay extra for the game just because it was released half finished. On the other hand free DLC bothers me to less of an extant, but still is annoying. I consider things like bug fixes a form of DLC. I know that every game will have bugs and stuff so fixes for minor bugs is unavoidable, but if it has easy to find game breaking bugs then I have to go back to the half finished game complaint. An example of this is the Maiden Snow game with an enormous amount of game breaking bugs that just ruined the entire game for me, especially since you have to patch it multiple times just to fix some of them.

how many times do i have to state i am not releasing a game unfinished, if these chapters were part of the base game, i would need to make them compulsory, which wouldn't be fair to people who didn't like those fetishes the chapters cater to. also the price would have to be increased, forcing those people to pay for content they didn't want.

design wise, escaping the facility and dealing with the demon lord is the full game, the extra chapters are more linear and must be completed from start to finish before you have access back to the original game, they all follow a similar pattern of you fell into the trap of X and she wants to toy with you and you must escape...im pretty pleased with the character concepts

and the number of extra cgs i would have to pay for becomes dangerous considering the english market for rpgmaker games... i could end up spending £400 getting my artist to do all the cgs for the base game and extra cgs, (can handle about £200)


at the end of the day i want to add the dlc cause they seem fun, but i can't afford to do them without charging for them

oh and bugfixes/ patches WILL ALWAYS BE free, since i just need to update the demo file, they will always be part of the core game

 

[DarkFire1004]

Re: Dlc in hentai games, Yay or Nay

Well, how long would play time of the base game be? If it were only a 1-2 hour long game, I don't think people, including me, would be willing to pay for something that could've given the game the extra content it needed.

 

[foamy111]

Re: Dlc in hentai games, Yay or Nay

I was giving my input on DLC in general not in your game specifically. Also how much would you sell the DLC for and how long are they compared to the game? Say your full game is $50 with 20 hours of gameplay and your DLC is $15 with 3 hours of bonus gameplay. Normally people would complain about the DLC being too much for too little compared to the full game. I'm guessing your game will be at most $15 so the DLC would be around $5 making the expected DLC content to be at least 1/3rd of the full games worth. One great example of DLC is the Dragonborn DLC. It provided hours and hours of bonus quests, items, and areas.

You could also always release a season pass where people who buy the game for the extra season pass fee get all the additional DLC released for free like how most games are doing it nowadays.

P.S. Don't even bother thinking of DLC unless you know the game will sell really well. You'll end up in a huge hole if the game doesn't sell well and then you spend money on making DLC as well. Also personally I wouldn't buy DLC to an RPG Maker game unless it was some godlike game like Virgin Island or VH (if it ever ended up being sold).

 

[azurezero]

Re: Dlc in hentai games, Yay or Nay

I was giving my input on DLC in general not in your game specifically. Also how much would you sell the DLC for and how long are they compared to the game? Say your full game is $50 with 20 hours of gameplay and your DLC is $15 with 3 hours of bonus gameplay. Normally people would complain about the DLC being too much for too little compared to the full game. I'm guessing your game will be at most $15 so the DLC would be around $5 making the expected DLC content to be at least 1/3rd of the full games worth. One great example of DLC is the Dragonborn DLC. It provided hours and hours of bonus quests, items, and areas.

You could also always release a season pass where people who buy the game for the extra season pass fee get all the additional DLC released for free like how most games are doing it nowadays.

P.S. Don't even bother thinking of DLC unless you know the game will sell really well. You'll end up in a huge hole if the game doesn't sell well and then you spend money on making DLC as well. Also personally I wouldn't buy DLC to an RPG Maker game unless it was some godlike game like Virgin Island or VH (if it ever ended up being sold).

the plan if it did go through was sell the base game £2.5(4.02 usd) with about 2 hours to complete (that is multiple paths)
the way persistent data works if you kept a save file on your way to the golden ending, you could still go and do all the dlc before finishing (which adds the evil character you defeated, in whatever trial they set for you, to the epilogue of the golden ending) hopefully the dlc chapters would be about 20 minutes playtime if you don't get a game over, but they would each have a bunch of unique game overs (which is where the fun is)

avoiding buying your way to victory, the item rewards might help prevent you from losing but wont be broken(for example mp recovery items, which are limited but allow stealth kills)

 

[Mud]

Re: Dlc in hentai games, Yay or Nay

DLC in a hentai game? That, like with normal non-sex games, would depend on the nature of the DLC itself.

Is the DLC's content significant enough to warrant it?
Did they make sure the game's content was not harmed in order to have DLC?
Was the DLC made after the game's initial release instead of hogging resources during development and delaying the main game?

If the answer to all of these is yes, then I fully welcome DLC.

 

[azurezero]

Re: Dlc in hentai games, Yay or Nay

DLC in a hentai game? That, like with normal non-sex games, would depend on the nature of the DLC itself.

Is the DLC's content significant enough to warrant it?
Did they make sure the game's content was not harmed in order to have DLC?
Was the DLC made after the game's initial release instead of hogging resources during development and delaying the main game?

If the answer to all of these is yes, then I fully welcome DLC.

they are

oh, and i plan on releasing teasers in the form of shmuck bait game overs in the core game (to be added upon release of the dlc) so yeah, free bonus content

haha oooh im looking forward to the delicious looking cake that makes your breasts expand until theyre so heavy you cant move and squirt milk

 

[FruitSmoothie]

Re: Dlc in hentai games, Yay or Nay

You've already stated that you'd be gambling on it with the price cost of hiring your artist for the CG, that doesn't seem like a great business model. I'd say keep the concepts for a sequel/spin off game. It's already a given that much less people will buy a dlc than a full game, so if it's expensive for you to create, might not end well. You can't sell an addon if the person hasn't bought the original game yet. That itself will turn a lot of people off, it could even turn people off from buying your main game because they'll feel like they're missing content if they don't buy all the addons.

You already seem like you're planning on doing it anyways by the way you're responding, so not sure why you're asking here honestly.

 

[azurezero]

Re: Dlc in hentai games, Yay or Nay

You've already stated that you'd be gambling on it with the price cost of hiring your artist for the CG, that doesn't seem like a great business model. I'd say keep the concepts for a sequel/spin off game. It's already a given that much less people will buy a dlc than a full game, so if it's expensive for you to create, might not end well.

You already seem like you're planning on doing it anyways by the way you're responding, so not sure why you're asking here honestly.

once the game is on sale the risk of continuing to work on it has been reduced, as i can use the money from sales to fund the cg production

i'm not planning on doing it yet...i'm just really tempted, but i dont want to be punished financially (or lose fans) for doing something i enjoy...so the thread is here to have a reasonable discussion on dlc in general

also im going by polls

 

[MetalDemon]

Re: Dlc in hentai games, Yay or Nay

My knee-jerk reaction is, "DLC for an indie game? I think I'll steer clear of that train wreck."
If I try to analyse why I react this way, my main issue is with the 2 hour play time. Normally this is fine for a small game, but when DLC is thrown into the picture it makes me suspect that one of two things is going on:
1)The DLC will be so insubstantial as to not be worth my time.
2)The game isn't finished and you're selling an unfinished version in order to get enough money to actually finish it.
Neither of these scenarios are good, for you or your customers. You may manage to convince me, individually, that this isn't the case, but you aren't going to get that sort of pitch time with regular customers.

My advice is to release the game with all of the planned DLC features, or separate the DLC out into another game.

 

[FruitSmoothie]

Re: Dlc in hentai games, Yay or Nay

once the game is on sale the risk of continuing to work on it has been reduced, as i can use the money from sales to fund the cg production

You could say the same for a sequel and it won't look as bad to fans/potential buyers. You're spending time and money on content that isn't accessible to everybody since they need to buy the original game first for it to work. It's really not a good plan in my opinion. You'd need thousands and thousands of sales for it to work decently, and even then, a sequel would probably still be much better.

Basically what MetalDemon said.

 

[BigJohnny]

Re: Dlc in hentai games, Yay or Nay

DLC in any game is nay.

 

[azurezero]

Re: Dlc in hentai games, Yay or Nay

You could say the same for a sequel and it won't look as bad to fans/potential buyers. You're spending time and money on content that isn't accessible to everybody since they need to buy the original game first for it to work. It's really not a good plan in my opinion. You'd need thousands and thousands of sales for it to work decently, and even then, a sequel would probably still be much better.

Basically what MetalDemon said.

fair enough, what i had in mind isn't sequel material unfortunately... i'll see how the poll finishes

at this point it's seeming like i might have to just grin and bear the extra cost of adding them to the core game...raising the price would still end up losing a number of sales mind

 

[Papanomics]

Re: Dlc in hentai games, Yay or Nay

One of my issues with DLC is "Adding it to the core"

There should be no adding, you cram your game with as much content as possible to assure that your buyers will come back for the next one. I'm usually against DLC unless it's a game on it's own, like Xbox's Bastion.

It depends on the value of the DLC to that player. A few skins for a fighting game character, a new character to fight as in general, a few extra missions, a new weapon skin, or smashing content like a new class in Borderlands, or Nightwing in Arkham City.

To me, it's a big let down when you play a very awesome game, and go into the CG gallery and see only about 6 question marks waiting to be unlocked.

Look at Fullflap's Succubus Fist, just recently they added two new areas, two bosses, and I think three enemies, along with one new CG I think.

And I don't think it cost anything.

Sequel/prequel > DLC

 

[freeko]

Re: Dlc in hentai games, Yay or Nay

The only way dlc is acceptable, is if it is free dlc. Which essentially means that you are updating the game with something new. So it isnt really DLC at all then is it?

Just because monollithic corporations use it, does not mean that it is a wholly acceptable practice. There is absolutely no reason why a game should not be completely finished before it is released.

 

[Spastus]

Re: Dlc in hentai games, Yay or Nay

I would rather take that time and effort for a sequel or a new game, sure it takes a bit more time but even using the same engine it's ok if you add enough stuff to make it look new, you also have to think, as people said before, how much people got the first game and will care about DLC VS how much poeple will get a brand new game without the need for previous content, I think the latter is way more plausible, specially seen as how DLC needs to be really good to take off, it's a better gamble to hope people will like better a new game with a new concept or a sequel with a new twist than just new content for a game they may or may not like... of course that depends on how well a game does, if you see the game didn't do very well, then DLC is not a good idea at all, if it did well then you have to evaluate how much people liked it and if they want more, in that case if you're willing to do it and people ask for it, then sure.

Just my opinion.

 

[duck666]

Re: Dlc in hentai games, Yay or Nay

It depends of course. For some game like "Pretty Warriors May Cry", I would love for 7th heaven to add more features and more scenes and all that jazz.

For RPG makers.... Eh... Depends... I'm leaning on "it's not going to work"

For Text & CG (light novels) definitely no!

For games like Kamadori (Eushully games) or something like Black Bunny, sure; if it's done well.

For game like HOTBs, sure, if done well.

Overall, it depends on the type of the game, and if the DLCs are well done. Hopefully, they're not going to pull one of those Capcom bullshit of "DLCs".