Aegis Thousand Year War - DMM Online Game

[Kroset]

Re: Aegis Thousand Year War - DMM Online Game

Also need some advice which one should I level first Berna or Kurissa both of them were 50cc1 need a duelist than can tank those black oni.

Let's have a look at some stats.
Berna's HP: 1441+468 = 1909
Kurissa's HP: 1890

Fairly similar so far. Here's the deciding factor.

Berna's def: (260+48)*1.19 = 366.52
Kurissa'd def: (390+72)*1.19 = 549.78

IIRC, the black onis during the summoner event were hitting for over 2500, so neither of them would be able to tank it unless awakened or you have some other buff.


For the new fairy mission, this video is pretty good if you have unCC'd soldiers/rogues.

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[TieSKey]

Re: Aegis Thousand Year War - DMM Online Game

Any comment on the fairy rescue high tier efficiency? if the drop rates are as posted before and at a cost of 60/6 it is actually worst than the 30/3 :S

 

[Petite Soeur]

Re: Aegis Thousand Year War - DMM Online Game

Any comment on the fairy rescue high tier efficiency? if the drop rates are as posted before and at a cost of 60/6 it is actually worst than the 30/3 :S

I did the math here:
http://www.ulmf.org/bbs/showpost.php?p=577227&postcount=2485

It's the best map if you want platinum fairies, and it's slightly better than the mid-tier map for black and gold fairies, but you're trading off 7 silver fairies for it, so it's only recommended for players who want to farm something better than Phalanx 2.

@Kroset:
The giant black oni from the Rushing Power map supposedly deals 2420 damage.

EDIT:
Got my first Valery and my second plat armour to drop. I'm 2 plat armours, and 5 plat fairies away from being able to awaken Spica. Awakening Spica will make my Nanaly 5% deadlier (at least 100+ damage per quad-shot). I already have a Soma that I can class-change, so if things work out in time, I'll awaken Spica before Iris.

 

[FruitSmoothie]

Re: Aegis Thousand Year War - DMM Online Game

Carry can tank Black Oni's at max level :3 The benefit of HP affection bonus.

Alright I'm quite confused here. I tried to test the medium sized Black Oni damage in that video Petite posted:

Spoiler

Berserker Fu :

(3:32)
2138 Total HP
220 Defense
106 HP after hit

2252 damage

Rean:

(3:09 There's a heal a fraction of a second before the hit.)
1610 HP before hit
684 Defense
204 HP after hit

2090 damage

Rean:

(3:22)
1408 HP before hit
684 Defense
2 HP after hit

2090 damage

There a soft cap for defense or something where it stops being a 1:1 ratio with attack? You'd think Rean should be taking 460ish hp less damage but she's only taking about 160 less? Did I miss something? I'm sleepy. Do they do partial magic damage or something?

 

[TieSKey]

Re: Aegis Thousand Year War - DMM Online Game

Carry can tank Black Oni's at max level :3 The benefit of HP affection bonus.

Alright I'm quite confused here. I tried to test the medium sized Black Oni damage in that video Petite posted:

Spoiler

Berserker Fu :

(3:32)
2138 Total HP
220 Defense
106 HP after hit

2252 damage

Rean:

(3:09 There's a heal a fraction of a second before the hit.)
1610 HP before hit
684 Defense
204 HP after hit

2090 damage

Rean:

(3:22)
1408 HP before hit
684 Defense
2 HP after hit

2090 damage

There a soft cap for defense or something where it stops being a 1:1 ratio with attack? You'd think Rean should be taking 460ish hp less damage but she's only taking about 160 less? Did I miss something? I'm sleepy. Do they do partial magic damage or something?

I'm not an expert on Aegis math but almost no game has a linear relationship between armor and dmg reduction and Aegis is no exception. With that defence, Rean could solo rural gate without taking any dmg at all if it were lineal.

The most common approach is to translate armor into a % of dmg reduction with a logarithm curve. For example:
0 armor = 0% reduction
10 armor = 24% reduction
100 armor = 48% reduction
1000 armor = 72% reduction

 

[FruitSmoothie]

Re: Aegis Thousand Year War - DMM Online Game

I'm not an expert on Aegis math but almost no game has a linear relationship between armor and dmg reduction and Aegis is no exception. With that defence, Rean could solo rural gate without taking any dmg at all if it were lineal.

The most common approach is to translate armor into a % of dmg reduction with a logarithm curve. For example:
0 armor = 0% reduction
10 armor = 24% reduction
100 armor = 48% reduction
1000 armor = 72% reduction

I'm used to rpgs and mmos where what you explained is how things usually work, but here it seemed to be different. At least most people have calculated damage to be linear in a lot of discussions. Normally I'm the type to try to figure those things out, but since enemies are constantly changing stats each stage, I didn't give it much thought. It could be that at higher defense than attack, you just take a flat amount of damage as well. You can see that from units not really taking any damage from goblins in rural. Testing it now.

Rural Gate:

Spoiler

Damage from goblin enemies:

1379
1366 (-13)
182 defense

1370
1357 (-13)
313 defense

1948
1935 (-13)
366 defense

2070
2057 (-13)
317 defense

1927
1914 (-13)
377 defense


1703
1690 (-13)
754 defense

790
766 (-24)
110 defense

910
897 (-13)
128 defense

1092
958 (-134)
0 defense

Damage from blue soldier enemies:

1422
1401 (-21)
368 defense

819
731 (-88)
110 defense

1029
1008 (-21)
317 defense

1008
987 (-21)
634 defense

1351
1308 (-43)
173 defense

1308
1092 (-216)
0 defense

173+43 = 216

13 damage for everybodyyyyyy (From goblins). I'll have to test someone with lower defense.

Yep defense to attack is linear and anybody who has more defense than attackers just takes a flat amount of damage from that mob it seems. Looks to be 10% of the enemy's attack.

 

[Petite Soeur]

Re: Aegis Thousand Year War - DMM Online Game

Unless they changed things recently. Damage should be the opponent's attack minus defence. If the defence is particularly high, then they deal at least 10% (rounded down).

Example:
500AT-300DF=200 damage dealt
500AT-490DF=50 damage dealt

You can easily test this on maps like Phalanx 2 where the red living armours deal 600 damage per blow.

 

[FruitSmoothie]

Re: Aegis Thousand Year War - DMM Online Game

Unless they changed things recently. Damage should be the opponent's attack minus defence. If the defence is particularly high, then they deal at least 10% (rounded down).

Example:
500AT-300DF=200 damage dealt
500AT-490DF=50 damage dealt

You can easily test this on maps like Phalanx 2 where the red living armours deal 600 damage per blow.

Just rechecked it then Good to know I haven't been crazy all this time.

 

[TieSKey]

Re: Aegis Thousand Year War - DMM Online Game

Interesting. A lazy approach if u ask me but wtf, it makes it easier for us so who cares

 

[Dragonpaladin]

Re: Aegis Thousand Year War - DMM Online Game

Drops by at the end of the discussion to conclude:
Normal damage is linear, chip-damage is 10%.

Mmm, I need 5 more black fairy, and I can awaken Kurissa ._.

A lazy approach

Actually, considering how much skill stacking you can do. You should be grateful for the easier damage calculation theorem. I recall a lot of games where the damage calculation isn't just algebra, it became calculus instead.
Which reminds me, awaken passive, do they stack or are they unique to type? (For example, Aria +1% Atk and Uzume +3% Atk for a total of 4% or 3%?)

Update: Speaking of Phalanx 2
Take a guess on Lv59 Laila with skill activated takes how many shot to kill a red living armor?

 

[Petite Soeur]

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@arisato minato:
Someone managed to 2-star clear the 100/2 Rushing Power God-tier map with silver units, and get the completion bonus:

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Hopefully this team composition is possible for you to achieve in time with your party.

 

[Braemir]

Re: Aegis Thousand Year War - DMM Online Game

Ok, so I need to really level a bunch of people. These are my black and plat units. I have plenty of gold and silver also. Who should I aim for?

Noteworthy Gold Units
Mehlis (50CC60...100%)
Vincent (50CC43...Max Cost Reduction)
Julian (50)
Themis (36...31%)
Fedora (34..25%...Max Cost Reduction)
Berunisu (32..25%)
Carry (30...25%)
Monica (28...27%)
Chloris (17)

Noteworthy Silver Units
Phyllis (50CC36...100%...Max Cost Reduction)
Chris (30CC49...Max Cost Reduction 4/5 Skill)
Calliope (50CC1...21%...Max Cost Reduction 3/5 skill)
Daneilla (32....25%....Max Cost Reduction)
Soma (24....31%....Max Cost Reduction)
Mischa (20...Max Cost Reduction)

 

[arisato minato]

Re: Aegis Thousand Year War - DMM Online Game

Thanks for the clip, although i do not think i can apply that strategy to me cuss i only have 2 healer. But i worth a shot.

edit:

nope, totally wipe out because of lacking healer. 50cc50 Rean could only took one hit fbefore going down.

 

[Dragonpaladin]

Re: Aegis Thousand Year War - DMM Online Game

What I would like to know is why does everyone have more black rarity unit than me and why I can never get one to drop from gacha = =

Anna: Waging war against your own Goddess Aegis has prices you must pay.

Spoiler

Prince: Actually, I find it more and more difficult to wage war against her. She kinda grows on you after realizing her role as a 家畜女神.
Goddess Aegis: *snacking on crystals as usual* Eh?
Anna: ... hard to argue with. So what happened to starvation tactics?
Prince: Failed miserably. Stupid farm maps that has good drops but horrible rates. No-drops wa mou yada~!

 

[lucifer4444]

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What I would like to know is why does everyone have more black rarity unit than me and why I can never get one to drop from gacha = =[/spoiler]

What i would like to know is how do you even get one black rarity unit, i used around 90+ crystal on gacha and only got 2 plat and 0 black.

 

[Braemir]

Re: Aegis Thousand Year War - DMM Online Game

I advise to wait to use the 5 cost gacha when their is a bonus to drawing a black unit. I know I got Nunally that way. One of my black units is a prize though, Karma. Also keep in mind, 90 crystals is only 18 draws. You only have something like 4% to draw a black unit, though I am surprised at the only 2 plat drops. But I will echo again, wait for bonus unit ups for plat/black draws. If you want a samuria girl, go for it now for instance.

 

[Petite Soeur]

Re: Aegis Thousand Year War - DMM Online Game

I advise to wait to use the 5 cost gacha when their is a bonus to drawing a black unit. I know I got Nunally that way. One of my black units is a prize though, Karma. Also keep in mind, 90 crystals is only 18 draws. You only have something like 4% to draw a black unit, though I am surprised at the only 2 plat drops. But I will echo again, wait for bonus unit ups for plat/black draws. If you want a samuria girl, go for it now for instance.

The bonus only makes the unit more likely to be drawn among a selection of the same tier of rarity. The chance of drawing a black unit is 3%, and all of the blacks normally share an equal piece of that 3%; however, when there is a premium summoning bonus for a black unit, then the specific black unit(s) occupy a share that is 3 times larger than their peers. The bonus doesn't increase your chance of drawing a black unit over platinum, gold, or silver.

EDIT:
10% for a platinum unit means that Lucifer roughly had an 85% chance of getting 1 from 18 draws. That sounds high, but there's a 15% chance that he would've gotten 0 platinum units. That means roughly 1 out of 7 people are going to get *zip* after doing 18 summons (there's more people than that in this thread, so it's fair to say that some among us would have that kind of rotten luck). Doing 20 premium summons is about 2 platinum units (give or take), so he came out about as well as he could expect.

@arisato minato:
You really shouldn't have wasted your charisma and stamina like that; these low-quality unit strategies aren't designed to be skimped upon unless you can carefully balance it with your own superior units. You should compare your team to the one in the video, and see if it's possible to raise your units to that level before this event is over.

 

[Kroset]

Re: Aegis Thousand Year War - DMM Online Game

Ok, so I need to really level a bunch of people. These are my black and plat units. I have plenty of gold and silver also. Who should I aim for?

I know that feeling. My way to find out is to just keep progressing, analyze the first map I can't complete, and figure out who needs leveling to complete it. Sometimes it's obvious from watching videos, other times you can only tell by doing it yourself.

In any case, getting all your CC'd units to at least 30 should be fast while making quite an impact.

 

[arisato minato]

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@arisato minato:
You really shouldn't have wasted your charisma and stamina like that; these low-quality unit strategies aren't designed to be skimped upon unless you can carefully balance it with your own superior units. You should compare your team to the one in the video, and see if it's possible to raise your units to that level before this event is over.

I just want to test my team at all the maps so i know what need to be improved. Beside, i mostly got all i need for the event, all that left is 3 star the second 60/5 map and i am done.

 

[FruitSmoothie]

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That silver only strat for the 2nd 100/2 was really nice, thanks for posting it. I wondered if there was a way to dodge just the right amount of enemies, there usually is. Not sure if I'll attempt it though, pretty expensive and doesn't really help much in the completion of the event. Maybe if I get bored.

I'm kind of stuck waiting on a silver valk anyways for a Carry copy. Carry is 50/40, have rows of gold fairies and a couple plat armors left, so feeding her a 30/10 copy of herself + Plat armor should be 50/60. Iris just made 50/60 (Hooorayyy) and I don't really have any other golds I need to level right now.

4 Rainbow fairies chilling too x.X I don't really have anybody with unique skills that are worth it. Shidisu is 2/5, Iris is 1/5, kind of sad I might need to use one on Iris so she's not useless lol (Since I plan to awaken her 1st or 2nd). I still have those 3 dragon knights/and some silver male archers waiting for Desupia/Spica skill ups when I can get around to that. Everybody else on my team are event units with decent skill ups already or silver units.

Rainbow fairies, why you so difficult?