Akabur Games

[Omnikuken]

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Just wanted to throw around some kind of wishlist for stuff we'd like added to the game (already shown or not). So here goes mine (only 1 so far ) : Who do I have to bribe to get some paizuri scene 3+ mad tits'd girls and nothing made with those Come on, I can't be the only 1

 

[HentaiWriter]

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Either way, I'm getting pretty close to concluding that Patreon is too hit or miss to be worthwhile to me. I don't want to be people's taskmaster, but I also don't want to support them playing video games and watching movies all day in exchange for a half-assed product slapped together just ahead of all their supporters abandoning ship.

Which of course really sucks for those of us actually working really hard on delivering, because people will grow to distrust it as a whole, and immediately assume everyone using it is never going to finish their projects/are just screwing people financially.

Not that I blame you, it's just sad that it's slowly turning into another "this is why we can't have nice things" scenario.

 

[YummyTiger]

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Just wanted to throw around some kind of wishlist for stuff we'd like added to the game (already shown or not). So here goes mine (only 1 so far ) : Who do I have to bribe to get some paizuri scene 3+ mad tits'd girls and nothing made with those Come on, I can't be the only 1

I am totally with you! In fact, one of the first things I did when attempting to design a game was think, how can I work some paizuri in! Of course, I'm a major boob guy so... But, I always wondered why we did not get Jasmine or Iris on their knees putting those breasts to good use .

That, I am really, really, hope Akabur draws some CGs for the public humiliation stuff. That point where Jasmine is walked around in public and the boy comes up and touches her. Guess I am just a horny bastard, but damn did I want a CG for that!

 

[Omnikuken]

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Just another thread padding post but : aren't Lola's tits (in the dress-up video) bigger than what she has in the "normal" PT ? Or am I so desperate about this game that I imagine boobs growing out of nowhere ?

 

[cvonsuela85]

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Just another thread padding post but : aren't Lola's tits (in the dress-up video) bigger than what she has in the "normal" PT ? Or am I so desperate about this game that I imagine boobs growing out of nowhere ?

yep they are, I also noticed that Iris's tattoo was gone in the sneak peak he showed awhile back.

 

[loopy]

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Not that I blame you, it's just sad that it's slowly turning into another "this is why we can't have nice things" scenario.

Yeah. It's a shame that. Of course, part of the problem is that it seems like having a regular, stable income is the death of art everybody's always talking about. Somebody does a reasonably good job for free, and you think, "let's see what they can do if they aren't having to worry so much about money, making ends meet by lettering signs or pouring coffee." It doesn't even have to be a a conscious thing, just a creeping complacency.

Just another thread padding post but : aren't Lola's tits (in the dress-up video) bigger than what she has in the "normal" PT ? Or am I so desperate about this game that I imagine boobs growing out of nowhere ?

It looks like they got a bit of an enlargement, yeah. He draws her differently all the time, though. That makes it hard to tell if it's just the usual variation, or if there's maybe something in the story he's working on that actually explains it.

 

[Omnikuken]

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There's a new video update for BHB v1.01 in his dailymotion account from 5/11

You must be registered to see the links

Errrrrr it's just the intro from the demo posted a while ago NM

 

[HentaiWriter]

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Yeah. It's a shame that. Of course, part of the problem is that it seems like having a regular, stable income is the death of art everybody's always talking about. Somebody does a reasonably good job for free, and you think, "let's see what they can do if they aren't having to worry so much about money, making ends meet by lettering signs or pouring coffee." It doesn't even have to be a a conscious thing, just a creeping complacency.

Eh, I dunno, if I wasn't stressing out about my own money situation as bad, I know I'd be in a lot better mental/physical health and would be grateful to whomever was helping me out financially to the point I'd be sure to work my ass off to re-compensate them.

I realize not a lot of people nowadays are like that (and would rather just take the money and run for short term gains rather than nurture a long term relationship professionally) but yeah, not everyone's going to slack off when taken care of financially

 

[Manamana]

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Eh, I dunno, if I wasn't stressing out about my own money situation as bad, I know I'd be in a lot better mental/physical health and would be grateful to whomever was helping me out financially to the point I'd be sure to work my ass off to re-compensate them.

I realize not a lot of people nowadays are like that (and would rather just take the money and run for short term gains rather than nurture a long term relationship professionally) but yeah, not everyone's going to slack off when taken care of financially

Well, the whole patreon business is still young, so I think that, with time, people will be more prone to give to those who deliver instead of behaving like blind fans, especially as there will be more and more projects to fund.
In the long term, those who behaved like spoiled jerks will either reform themselves or disappear.

 

[Nr123]

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yeah like what was the game names of biges scam ever in the steams early acces ! people pay 100.000$ on game that never completed and creator dissapear. What i see here in this akabur what ever so open lots patreon on differends his project and wait milking like that game brokendborder what so ever has now 125 $ payer.

 

[loopy]

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Eh, I dunno, if I wasn't stressing out about my own money situation as bad, I know I'd be in a lot better mental/physical health and would be grateful to whomever was helping me out financially to the point I'd be sure to work my ass off to re-compensate them.

I realize not a lot of people nowadays are like that (and would rather just take the money and run for short term gains rather than nurture a long term relationship professionally) but yeah, not everyone's going to slack off when taken care of financially

I realize not everyone would do that. I'm just saying that previous performance when they were scraping by on one-off donations or a cut from a handful of subscriptions that came in through affiliate links doesn't really help predict how they'll do with a steady income of hundreds to thousands of dollars per month.

So far it seems like the people I've chosen to support do better when they have to remind their fans they exist, so as to drag backers kicking and screaming to the donate button periodically. I'm still hoping to be surprised, but I won't be contributing to any more Patreon's for a while. Unless, perhaps, I find one that belongs to somebody well-established who's been doing good work for some time while getting steady support.

 

[cvonsuela85]

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I realize not everyone would do that. I'm just saying that previous performance when they were scraping by on one-off donations or a cut from a handful of subscriptions that came in through affiliate links doesn't really help predict how they'll do with a steady income of hundreds to thousands of dollars per month.

So far it seems like the people I've chosen to support do better when they have to remind their fans they exist, so as to drag backers kicking and screaming to the donate button periodically. I'm still hoping to be surprised, but I won't be contributing to any more Patreon's for a while. Unless, perhaps, I find one that belongs to somebody well-established who's been doing good work for some time while getting steady support.

Basic Human behavior, when your not making money all you can think about is how to make more, when you finally do start making some you get complacent and start to take everything for granted. Work Ethic goes to crap as you now have means to enjoy all the stuff you were unable to acquire when you were scrapping by. That's why you see the drop off in production as people's patreon's get bigger and their financial situation gets way better

 

[loopy]

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Yeah, that's basically what I'm saying. The hope is that relieving financial pressure will allow artists to do something they love and produce content more often or of higher quality. The reality seems to be the opposite all too often.

 

[Perfeccia Ars]

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Yeah, that's basically what I'm saying. The hope is that relieving financial pressure will allow artists to do something they love and produce content more often or of higher quality. The reality seems to be the opposite all too often.

Well the financial pressure is out, the problem is the pressure of demand now. When you're at this level you have to develop the skill of an administrator, because 11.000$ in your pockets are useless if you don't know how to use them.

Akabur is a terrible administrator, he doesn't want to sacrifice more money hiring people to produce content more often (and get more money in the long run...), nor can he deliver higher quality because there's so much pressure with 11K screaming at the front page. So the problem isn't with patreon or the money, is how he uses it. If you don't know how to handle it you can never meet the standard when you're being paid that much.

 

[YummyTiger]

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Yeah, that's basically what I'm saying. The hope is that relieving financial pressure will allow artists to do something they love and produce content more often or of higher quality. The reality seems to be the opposite all too often.

As someone said earlier, Patreon is in the early stages still. I believe some of this will work itself out as more and more developers move to Patreon. Right now, projects like Akabur and Breeding Season were early adopters and people are not seeing other options. As other developers release products and establish themselves, they will put pressure on Patreon developers who may be cruising a bit. Competition is probably the best motivator at this point.

 

[loopy]

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I don't believe that at the moment. When money's involved, it's hard to weed out dead weight and scams. It will always be hit or miss because people can always go downhill for various reasons, because of limited competition in a given niche, and possibly deliberate manipulation. Unless it's one of the artists who sets goals and takes money based on reaching milestones rather than monthly, there's always the possibility too that life could intervene. If they don't choose to inform anyone, there's no way for patrons to know they should put their support on hold.

It doesn't hurt that Akabur's fans regard him as "Honorable Master" or whatever the fuck. If he hasn't delivered anything by fall, and especially if he's still talking about the long road ahead by then, I'll be interested to see how many people he can continue to string along.

 

[Manamana]

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I don't believe that at the moment. When money's involved, it's hard to weed out dead weight and scams.

That's what time solves for the most part: if you have a solid history in delivering actual work, then you will be more prone to be trusted.
Also, I believe that in the future we'll see more projects to be funded: this will stimulate some competition, and most people will not give money to every project.

It will always be hit or miss because people can always go downhill for various reasons, because of limited competition in a given niche, and possibly deliberate manipulation.

That's the risk, and one failed project can kill you, so indeed you can go downhill, but you can't do that indefinitely.
In fact, in a way it's a lot like corporate investment: you invest in a project, but there are risks that there will be no return of investment.
If you want to lower the risk, you have to check the work already done in the project and the possible past works of the author.
If you have a lot of money to spend, invest in a lot of projects in hope that some of them will bear fruits.
If you don't want to take the risk, don't "invest". Because a Zero-risk investment doesn't exist.

Unless it's one of the artists who sets goals and takes money based on reaching milestones rather than monthly, there's always the possibility too that life could intervene.

It's a good way to lower the risk of giving money for nothing, indeed.

If they don't choose to inform anyone, there's no way for patrons to know they should put their support on hold.

If they do that to me, I'll just stop funding . If not I'm either an overly optimistic person, a blinded fan, or plain stupid.

It doesn't hurt that Akabur's fans regard him as "Honorable Master" or whatever the fuck. If he hasn't delivered anything by fall, and especially if he's still talking about the long road ahead by then, I'll be interested to see how many people he can continue to string along.

This sounds more like a cult than actual funding of work.
He gives a lot of promises, let's see at the end of the year what he will have delivered.

 

[HentaiWriter]

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Basic Human behavior, when your not making money all you can think about is how to make more, when you finally do start making some you get complacent and start to take everything for granted. Work Ethic goes to crap as you now have means to enjoy all the stuff you were unable to acquire when you were scrapping by. That's why you see the drop off in production as people's patreon's get bigger and their financial situation gets way better

This isn't basic human behavior, it's lazy human behavior and/or people who don't aspire to do something with their lives, IMO.

There are a lot of people out there who work in reverse of the above, and do their best work when they're well taken care of.

there's always the possibility too that life could intervene. If they don't choose to inform anyone, there's no way for patrons to know they should put their support on hold.

Anyone getting money from Patrons should immediately inform them the minute something goes awry that's out of their control, or even in their control, for that matter, and how long it might take to fix the situation, or even if it might be unfixable.

Creators really need to be held to higher standards of communicating with potential buyers and the community as a whole, IMO.

 

[YummyTiger]

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I don't believe that at the moment. When money's involved, it's hard to weed out dead weight and scams. It will always be hit or miss because people can always go downhill for various reasons, because of limited competition in a given niche, and possibly deliberate manipulation. *SNIP*

Yes, it is a risk, but the funders do have some control if they choose to use it.

First, you can wait until you see an actual demo or until the developer has released a game before funding. I'd say that once a developer releases an actual game, they probably understand what it takes to continue to release products down the line.

Second, you can push the developer to maintain communication (as HentaiWriter stated). If a month or two goes by, and you do not hear anything, pull your funding.

Third, as above, you can always pull your funding. That is the best way to promote responsible behaviors on Patreon. When a developer releases a subpar product or pulls some other form of shenanigans, pull or drastically reduce your funding.

To you comment on Akabur and the "master" stuff. I 100% concur that his Patreon is an unhealthy environment. He has been worshiped to the point that he seems to believe he is above rebuke. All criticism, whether constructive or not is disregard or even attacked. Unfortunately, his funders don't seem to realize that does not help him or them in the end. It's too bad...

 

[cvonsuela85]

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This isn't basic human behavior, it's lazy human behavior and/or people who don't aspire to do something with their lives, IMO.

There are a lot of people out there who work in reverse of the above, and do their best work when they're well taken care of.

I'll concede to you on that point, but the thing is some people have a hard time finding the motivation to work day in and day out. Working for someone and being your own boss are too totally different beasts. Some people just don't realize that you have to be self-motivated as no one is gonna be calling you to say you need to get this project done by this date and you need to have this much done at this point.

I totally agree about the updates, I think the problem with Akabur is he thinks that as long as he's posting anything that counts as an update(going to the post office is not an update, I don't care what his cult following says). He needs to realize updates are considered updates if he says I worked on this character this week, I worked on some difficult code today really had me stumped; stuff like that would help alleviate some concern that he's not just stringing people along.