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Crawdaddy
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Re: Akabur Games
Wait, fully animated? That sounds like way too much work for a random side project.
Wait, fully animated? That sounds like way too much work for a random side project.
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Great, so he wasted ~2 days of (not) working on PTG to make that "thing" and people still praise him as Jesus #2 and still throw $ like there's no tomorrow ..... Damn some people are dumb/blind/deaf/trolls/cash-machines/sheeple/etc
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Great, so he wasted ~2 days of (not) working on PTG to make that "thing" and people still praise him as Jesus #2 and still throw $ like there's no tomorrow ..... Damn some people are dumb/blind/deaf/trolls/cash-machines/sheeple/etc
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This is basically "Exhibit A" proving that he really hates being beholden to create something, even with a nebulous deadline, and would rather just do whatever he feels like, but he can't do that because he gets paid so ridiculously much from Patreon each month. I'll laugh if he finally gets fed up with having to work on PT:G long after he stopped caring about it and just shoves it out the door early just like with what happened with Witch Trainer.
He should really do something much smaller in scale after he releases PT:G since he loses interest after a few months. He would at least come off as less of a crook when he actually enjoys working on something and releases it in a form he's truly proud of. He'd likely be much happier making comics instead of games, but he's pretty much past the point of no return now.
This is basically "Exhibit A" proving that he really hates being beholden to create something, even with a nebulous deadline, and would rather just do whatever he feels like, but he can't do that because he gets paid so ridiculously much from Patreon each month. I'll laugh if he finally gets fed up with having to work on PT:G long after he stopped caring about it and just shoves it out the door early just like with what happened with Witch Trainer.
He should really do something much smaller in scale after he releases PT:G since he loses interest after a few months. He would at least come off as less of a crook when he actually enjoys working on something and releases it in a form he's truly proud of. He'd likely be much happier making comics instead of games, but he's pretty much past the point of no return now.
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But he is a crook, otherwise he'd change his patreon model from "monthly" to "pay per major update/release" and hire a programmer to implement game mechanics.
But he is a crook, otherwise he'd change his patreon model from "monthly" to "pay per major update/release" and hire a programmer to implement game mechanics.
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Fully animated chibis. He probably just reused some of the 9999999999 frames of those he drew for WT.
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Omnikuken said:
If you're not his employer, what he does with his time is really none of your goddamn business.
If I may quote from his introductory page:
- "Patreon is a tip-jar, please treat it as such"
- "ONLY SUPPORT ME FOR THE SAKE OF SUPPORTING ME"
Your sense of entitlement to ANYTHING CONCRETE is terribly misplaced.
He doesn't promise you anything except for the knowledge to have backed a very talented artist. I don't know if you've ever been a creator yourself, but I'm guessing you don't know the feeling of having to force yourself to do a project you don't really want to work on. It sucks. Big Time. And it shows in the quality of the results.
If you don't like his policy, don't back it.
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He added "stopped doing that for now" to every promise that takes effort. But these people still put in extra money for those rewards, whether you can see that through the fanboy steamclouds of rage coming out of your ears or not.
He added "stopped doing that for now" to every promise that takes effort. But these people still put in extra money for those rewards, whether you can see that through the fanboy steamclouds of rage coming out of your ears or not.
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When did he add all of that twaddle? I'll buy that Patreon is a tip jar when they implement a single-instance option that lets you send a creator 15% of something's purchase value. Or when somebody shows me a waitress with over $12,000/month worth of tips in her apron.
For what it's worth, I thought the shimeji thing was a pointless waste of time and effort, but I'm not going to say he can't throw away two days on doing something for the hell of it. I've spent weekends in ways that leave me with far less to show. The idea that Akabur is some combination of unreliable and temperamental (among other things) is backed by quite a bit more than this one diversion, though.
When did he add all of that twaddle? I'll buy that Patreon is a tip jar when they implement a single-instance option that lets you send a creator 15% of something's purchase value. Or when somebody shows me a waitress with over $12,000/month worth of tips in her apron.
For what it's worth, I thought the shimeji thing was a pointless waste of time and effort, but I'm not going to say he can't throw away two days on doing something for the hell of it. I've spent weekends in ways that leave me with far less to show. The idea that Akabur is some combination of unreliable and temperamental (among other things) is backed by quite a bit more than this one diversion, though.
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Re: Akabur Games
I don't even give a shit about Akabur, I thought his work was a little more fun than expected for free stuff. There are a lot of things I enjoy more.
See above, I don't care all that much about the dude. What I do care about is people flaming an artist about his work when they have no business doing so.
Patreon gives you the chance to support an artist in his struggle to create. If you haven't commissioned him to do stuff, it's (I'm repeating myself) none of your god damn business.
Concerning his temper and the fact that he "has stopped doing that for now", I don't really get the criticism. He probably would, if he could (meaning if he had the required artistic output). But alas, he cannot (and apparently - does not).
He informed the patrons about that situation. If you don't like the benefits of your rank anymore, opt out. What's the big deal?
I don't even give a shit about Akabur, I thought his work was a little more fun than expected for free stuff. There are a lot of things I enjoy more.
fagballs said:
See above, I don't care all that much about the dude. What I do care about is people flaming an artist about his work when they have no business doing so.
Patreon gives you the chance to support an artist in his struggle to create. If you haven't commissioned him to do stuff, it's (I'm repeating myself) none of your god damn business.
Concerning his temper and the fact that he "has stopped doing that for now", I don't really get the criticism. He probably would, if he could (meaning if he had the required artistic output). But alas, he cannot (and apparently - does not).
He informed the patrons about that situation. If you don't like the benefits of your rank anymore, opt out. What's the big deal?
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Patreon is certainly not a "tip jar" (regardless of whatever delusions some people might have), to call it that is just blatantly anti-consumerist.
Now excuse while I go down to my local cafe to tip the waitress like I do every month - said no one ever.
Patreon is certainly not a "tip jar" (regardless of whatever delusions some people might have), to call it that is just blatantly anti-consumerist.
Now excuse while I go down to my local cafe to tip the waitress like I do every month - said no one ever.
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@vrtrtr: I get what you're saying, and it is in line with the purpose behind Patreon. But, I also don't think it is necessarily a bad thing to have a legitimate, albeit a bit negative, discussion of Akabur's past antics.
First, Patreon has no way of truly rating creators so that you know what you're getting into. It is up to the potential funder to play his games and then do their due diligence on whether funding him is a worthwhile endeavor. After playing Princess Trainer, I jumped on board and funded Witch Trainer to the tune of around $90. During that time, he posted A LOT about the things we could expect in the final version. Those posts did not match the final product. Discussion that in a forum like this can help others make an educated decision on whether funding him is something they want to do.
Second, Akabur's Patreon is ridiculously hostile towards any constructive criticism. So, discussing the flaws in his games in a forum like this is the better alternative. I've posted and been flamed on his Patreon, and would rather discuss things with more level-headed people. Additionally, this thread has become somewhat of a go-to for the Russian mod, which only makes those discussions more relevant.
So, I don't think having this thread as an outlet for a few rants against Akabur is necessarily a bad thing. It could lead to people being a bit more cautious with their pledges, which I also don't think is a bad thing. Heck, I still fund Akabur with a $1 because I do enjoy his work. He just has to prove to me that it is worth more than a small tip at this point.
@vrtrtr: I get what you're saying, and it is in line with the purpose behind Patreon. But, I also don't think it is necessarily a bad thing to have a legitimate, albeit a bit negative, discussion of Akabur's past antics.
First, Patreon has no way of truly rating creators so that you know what you're getting into. It is up to the potential funder to play his games and then do their due diligence on whether funding him is a worthwhile endeavor. After playing Princess Trainer, I jumped on board and funded Witch Trainer to the tune of around $90. During that time, he posted A LOT about the things we could expect in the final version. Those posts did not match the final product. Discussion that in a forum like this can help others make an educated decision on whether funding him is something they want to do.
Second, Akabur's Patreon is ridiculously hostile towards any constructive criticism. So, discussing the flaws in his games in a forum like this is the better alternative. I've posted and been flamed on his Patreon, and would rather discuss things with more level-headed people. Additionally, this thread has become somewhat of a go-to for the Russian mod, which only makes those discussions more relevant.
So, I don't think having this thread as an outlet for a few rants against Akabur is necessarily a bad thing. It could lead to people being a bit more cautious with their pledges, which I also don't think is a bad thing. Heck, I still fund Akabur with a $1 because I do enjoy his work. He just has to prove to me that it is worth more than a small tip at this point.
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Since when are artists and their work exempt from criticism? I sometimes wonder if this thread is turning into a Yelp! page full of butt-hurt, but his Patreon is a love-fest, and he has several insipid sycophants as frequent commenters* who try to shout down anything critical. This thread offers another outlet, and it's a fair middle-ground between his Patreon and the flaming, bigotry tinged criticism you'll see on 4chan or on Akabur's ask.fm if he lets the posts through.
As far as the rewards go, he never did them, ever. And I don't think he had any real ambition about actually following through in the first place. Why list them at all? I don't think there was any malice aforethought about it. I imagine he just figured crowd-funding campaigns need rewards, and here was something he might be able to do if he ever worked up the necessary energy. When the thought of them got daunting enough, he went out and tacked on, "stopped doing this for now", and didn't feel too guilty because in his head they were always perfunctory. This is general the pattern with him. Promises upon promises upon over-promises and then try to sheepishly back out when following through looks to be too troublesome.
* What is it about people who call themselves something like, "Ace", online? I can't recall meeting someone using that handle who wasn't either aching for some master's approval, or just a minge in general.
Since when are artists and their work exempt from criticism? I sometimes wonder if this thread is turning into a Yelp! page full of butt-hurt, but his Patreon is a love-fest, and he has several insipid sycophants as frequent commenters* who try to shout down anything critical. This thread offers another outlet, and it's a fair middle-ground between his Patreon and the flaming, bigotry tinged criticism you'll see on 4chan or on Akabur's ask.fm if he lets the posts through.
As far as the rewards go, he never did them, ever. And I don't think he had any real ambition about actually following through in the first place. Why list them at all? I don't think there was any malice aforethought about it. I imagine he just figured crowd-funding campaigns need rewards, and here was something he might be able to do if he ever worked up the necessary energy. When the thought of them got daunting enough, he went out and tacked on, "stopped doing this for now", and didn't feel too guilty because in his head they were always perfunctory. This is general the pattern with him. Promises upon promises upon over-promises and then try to sheepishly back out when following through looks to be too troublesome.
* What is it about people who call themselves something like, "Ace", online? I can't recall meeting someone using that handle who wasn't either aching for some master's approval, or just a minge in general.
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Re: Akabur Games
I don't really like the "if you don't like it, then just don't support him" argument for a couple of reasons.
1) His output is so low and his page so transparently scammy to anyone who pays even a little bit of attention that it makes the whole of patreon look bad and also by extension other artists who are trying to raise money on patreon.
2) Many people who support artists on patreon have a finite amount of money to donate. If they're shoveling money into akabur's useless black hole of no output, then that money can't go to other hardworking and deserving artists to whom an extra 100 dollars or so could be a lifesaver. Akabur is HURTING OTHER ARTISTS.
The dude is making 140k a year for 4-8 hours of work a week. No fucking excuses.
"He's unhappy." "He feels pressured." Grow the hell up. People work 80 hours plus a week at multiple jobs and don't make a quarter of what he makes.
I don't really like the "if you don't like it, then just don't support him" argument for a couple of reasons.
1) His output is so low and his page so transparently scammy to anyone who pays even a little bit of attention that it makes the whole of patreon look bad and also by extension other artists who are trying to raise money on patreon.
2) Many people who support artists on patreon have a finite amount of money to donate. If they're shoveling money into akabur's useless black hole of no output, then that money can't go to other hardworking and deserving artists to whom an extra 100 dollars or so could be a lifesaver. Akabur is HURTING OTHER ARTISTS.
The dude is making 140k a year for 4-8 hours of work a week. No fucking excuses.
"He's unhappy." "He feels pressured." Grow the hell up. People work 80 hours plus a week at multiple jobs and don't make a quarter of what he makes.
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Mind if I steal the bolded and use it abusively in the coming months/change my sig to that ?
Mind if I steal the bolded and use it abusively in the coming months/change my sig to that ?
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No, he's just one of those people that attempt to use the word "entitlement" as an insult. As if watching some lazy, yet talented, man-child get rich off of gullible fools that seemingly can't help but throw money at him, shouldn't make us a least irritated.
No, he's just one of those people that attempt to use the word "entitlement" as an insult. As if watching some lazy, yet talented, man-child get rich off of gullible fools that seemingly can't help but throw money at him, shouldn't make us a least irritated.
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It kind of shouldn't, yeah? He isn't above criticism and you're free to have problems with the guy, but it isn't like he's stealing the money. Even if you think he's somehow tricking people out of money, if people are dissatisfied with his output they're free to stop donating to him.
It kind of shouldn't, yeah? He isn't above criticism and you're free to have problems with the guy, but it isn't like he's stealing the money. Even if you think he's somehow tricking people out of money, if people are dissatisfied with his output they're free to stop donating to him.