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It seems like less Japanese devs care to get their game translated to English than the other way around. Maybe they think because there are few sales on the English DLsite that it won't be worth the cost. I think less people use the English DLsite because few games get professionally translated though. Most the games I see on there are in Japanese anyways...

I don't know how much it costs to get things translated, but I mean that there are groups of people willing to do it for free just because they like a game, I don't see how it'd be too difficult to find willing translators for cheap. Maybe there's so much piracy because Jap H games lack translations :p It kind of feels like you're only getting a portion of the product sometimes when you can't understand anything. We're (Non Jap speakers) so used to having to set up hook programs and modify files and such to get a decent understanding of anything.
Just because people do it for free, as a hobby, doesn't mean that translation work should be cheap. Time in worth is relative to those that deem it so. For most, it means more money can be made elsewhere if you have professional qualifications, unless you are Dark Translations for donations and you know where that went.

There is also a lack of market here for ultra-niche titles compared to Japan. It just doesn't justify all the man-hours/outsourcing put into translating a game that barely breaks 200 sales in foreign markets and will get pirated to hell.

ENG DLSITE is there to sell legitimate copies of the games for those that want to buy it and support the circles/developers. It's pretty lame to come up with an excuse to pirate a game because of language. English/Multi-language games get pirated all the time, but do you think it's because of a language barrier? How about "I want the game and not pay for it because it is easy enough to do." being the primary reason? I can understand if there is other reasons like not having money to afford, no access to a credit card, or having a working credit card on JPN DLSITE.

Piracy is a huge problem why the market for games isn't tailored toward outside of Japan. Based on sale numbers of ENG DLSITE, I am leaning towards more than at least 80% of sales lost per game due to piracy. Not only that, it hurt sales to their own intended market. That is not to say that Japanese don't pirate their own games per se. It's just not as rampant as outside of Japan and, also, the law being a bit less lenient on file-sharing.

In the end, the lot of us created a hostile presence in a extremely small market and it gives away to Japanese developers, who choose not to want cater to the many that stolen their games.
 
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and another bost on his blog ttp://b.dlsite.net/RG16193/archives/39200077.html
think its about the female dancer assist (hope he release it sooner)
 

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Just because people do it for free, as a hobby, doesn't mean that translation work should be cheap. Time in worth is relative to those that deem it so. For most, it means more money can be made elsewhere if you have professional qualifications, unless you are Dark Translations for donations and you know where that went.

There is also a lack of market here for ultra-niche titles compared to Japan. It just doesn't justify all the man-hours/outsourcing put into translating a game that barely breaks 200 sales in foreign markets and will get pirated to hell.

ENG DLSITE is there to sell legitimate copies of the games for those that want to buy it and support the circles/developers. It's pretty lame to come up with an excuse to pirate a game because of language. English/Multi-language games get pirated all the time, but do you think it's because of a language barrier? How about "I want the game and not pay for it because it is easy enough to do." being the primary reason? I can understand if there is other reasons like not having money to afford, no access to a credit card, or having a working credit card on JPN DLSITE.

Piracy is a huge problem why the market for games isn't tailored toward outside of Japan. Based on sale numbers of ENG DLSITE, I am leaning towards more than at least 80% of sales lost per game due to piracy. Not only that, it hurt sales to their own intended market. That is not to say that Japanese don't pirate their own games per se. It's just not as rampant as outside of Japan and, also, the law being a bit less lenient on file-sharing.

In the end, the lot of us created a hostile presence in a extremely small market and it gives away to Japanese developers, who choose not to want cater to the many that stolen their games.
I'm saying it COULD be cheap. Just as there are artists who will expect professional pay for their work, there are also those who will do similar work for next to nothing because they enjoy it (Or have no idea how much the professional rates are).

It also wasn't an excuse to pirate, I'm saying maybe that's part of the problem. There is no morale or any other kind of justification for pirating. Pirates are douchebags :p It just seems to me like there's animosity going both ways. Japan has a history for being kind of exclusive with their products and not being too gung hoe about sharing with others (xenophobia), even before factoring in pirating. Of course there are plenty of exceptions. Also talking like the Japanese don't pirate as much or nearly as much as anybody else, lol (Check out some Jap torrent sites sometime).

I think the sales on the ENG DLsite are so poor because they usually just post non translated games there so people end up buying from the Jap site anyways, or you know, pirating it. Even if people post to the English DLsite, doesn't it have like a week waiting period passed the Jap site? People are impatient. Also I think the devs get less profit off of English dlsite sales, that could be a major issue both ways.

Again not looking for excuses, stealing is stealing, but there ARE ways relations could be improved. The few times I've seen a Jap dev actually post here and be friendly, it sure turned out alright for them after all. As soon as some/most pirates realize the people they're stealing from are actually people, they act a lot better. See that in some threads here with members telling people the dev is cool and not to post DL links in the thread. If more Jap developers put themselves out more into other communities, I think they'd get a lot more sales.
 
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I'm saying it COULD be cheap. Just as there are artists who will expect professional pay for their work, there are also those who will do similar work for next to nothing because they enjoy it (Or have no idea how much the professional rates are).

It also wasn't an excuse to pirate, I'm saying maybe that's part of the problem. There is no morale or any other kind of justification for pirating. Pirates are douchebags :p It just seems to me like there's animosity going both ways. Japan has a history for being kind of exclusive with their products and not being too gung hoe about sharing with others (xenophobia), even before factoring in pirating. Of course there are plenty of exceptions. Also talking like the Japanese don't pirate as much or nearly as much as anybody else, lol (Check out some Jap torrent sites sometime).

I think the sales on the ENG DLsite are so poor because they usually just post non translated games there so people end up buying from the Jap site anyways, or you know, pirating it. Even if people post to the English DLsite, doesn't it have like a week waiting period passed the Jap site? People are impatient. Also I think the devs get less profit off of English dlsite sales, that could be a major issue both ways.

Again not looking for excuses, stealing is stealing, but there ARE ways relations could be improved. The few times I've seen a Jap dev actually post here and be friendly, it sure turned out alright for them after all. As soon as some/most pirates realize the people they're stealing from are actually people, they act a lot better. See that in some threads here with members telling people the dev is cool and not to post DL links in the thread. If more Jap developers put themselves out more into other communities, I think they'd get a lot more sales.
All good, man. I am not saying you are trying to make excuses. I am saying that people tend to use those excuses in general. It would be nice if people would just realize they are hurting the same developers that is fueling their hobby. If they can at least afford to buy even 10% of their games, it's still a vast improvement in numbers of sales on ENG DLSITE and help Japanese developers take notice.

You are right about developers needing to reach out the English consumers to help fuel sales of their game. I usually send messages to other developers and have been keeping tabs on the developer for this game. He is a bit squeamish about the games release on foreign market and it is justified.
 

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new bost: ttp://b.dlsite.net/RG16193/archives/39247686.html
think he's talking about releasing the game at 7.26 or 7.27
also in this week just 7 more days cant wait:D

oh and then some loli bics and introductions to:(
 

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oh and then some loli bics and introductions to:(
Well, his Rori Ruri (upper left) and Parasite (lower right) aren't much more loli than some monsters from the original ROBF (think Familiar and Drainliar (the bat ones), Cat'o'Ninetails and Moonlight Flower (the fox ones), Bathory (the witch one in the Geffen Dungeon) or the Flower Girl in Prontera among others).

Since 紅茶走 always used a rather voluptuous style, all characers in question up to now passed as non-lolis by this forum's standard. As long as the moderators don't change their view on this, it's probably still okay.
 

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new bost: ttp://b.dlsite.net/RG16193/archives/39247686.html
think he's talking about releasing the game at 7.26 or 7.27
also in this week just 7 more days cant wait:D

oh and then some loli bics and introductions to:(
Whoa

発売日の方は予定として 7/26(土)もしくは7/27(日)で進めさせて頂きます

Release Date scheduled to .. 7/26 (Saturday) or 7/27 (Sunday)

and about the lolis, well actually they are enemies of the original RO,like loli ruri (the first girl with the bats riding a crescent moon)
 
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FML now i can only hope for a kind soul to share the game, because i cant get money AND i cant buy something from dlsite srsly FML :D
 

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Re: [アスガル騎士団|RPG]ROBFS4U

Seem like this weekend just arrive early :)


Seem like dlsite is going to sell this tomorrow! (Japan time of course)
 

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Seem like this weekend just arrive early :)


Seem like dlsite is going to sell this tomorrow! (Japan time of course)
Yes.
The game will be released july 23.

現在準備中!! 7/23午前11:00前後より 販売開始予定
 

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Yes.
The game will be released july 23.

現在準備中!! 7/23午前11:00前後より 販売開始予定
AM or PM?
AM is about 4 hours from now pm is 16.
 

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My body isn't. I dread the many pains my penis will suffer after the fapping spree...
 

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I believe that is AM.
In other words, tonight.
maybe for you but it's still quite sunny where I am(doesn't consider it night till the sun goes down)

that said about ten minutes for 11 am japan
 

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Looks like it's already out.
 

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The game was released.
 

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once again so now it begins!
 

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Could someone make a mega out of it? ;_;
Couldn't buy anything in DLsite for certain circumstances, Is there a kind gentleman here that would want to help this poor lost soul find his way to the road of enlightenment?
 
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