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Re: (Nutaku) Milenium War Aigis (English Version)
Whelp with so many people clearing Immortal Beast I decided to give it a go....
and 2 starred it
Will probably 3 star it after being able to CC Clissa/CC Fedora.
Sadly only two units dropped(well four)... so now I have to run it again.
EDIT: Roy you son of a bitch why you no drop?
Whelp with so many people clearing Immortal Beast I decided to give it a go....
and 2 starred it
Will probably 3 star it after being able to CC Clissa/CC Fedora.
Sadly only two units dropped(well four)... so now I have to run it again.
EDIT: Roy you son of a bitch why you no drop?
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Re: (Nutaku) Milenium War Aigis (English Version)
There should be a chance for 3 star if I recycle the tanks, trusted my 3 CCd healers but they couldn't handle, no Princess is the problem I guess. So I ended up killing the Liches but with only like 4-5 units left alive. Not gonna rush tho as there's no need for that now.
I tried it like last week or so, only 1 star cos I leaked a goblin from the initial wave
There should be a chance for 3 star if I recycle the tanks, trusted my 3 CCd healers but they couldn't handle, no Princess is the problem I guess. So I ended up killing the Liches but with only like 4-5 units left alive. Not gonna rush tho as there's no need for that now.
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Re: (Nutaku) Milenium War Aigis (English Version)
Yay, 10 crystals total so far today. (2 runs)
Seems a lot of us are getting gimped drops today.
Well I am happy with Anya's awakened ability, I think she'll fill a niche for those like me who don't really care to use HA's.
Yay, 10 crystals total so far today. (2 runs)
Seems a lot of us are getting gimped drops today.
Well I am happy with Anya's awakened ability, I think she'll fill a niche for those like me who don't really care to use HA's.
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Re: (Nutaku) Milenium War Aigis (English Version)
As for H and N map. In last few weeks I saw that average i have higher drop rate on N map somehow. Theoretically it should be 55% for each crystal on both maps. Just H got x3 when N got x2. However best drop i had on H was just three, usually got two anyway. Meanwhile had a lot of 5 drops on N map. Difference in crystals is actually only 1 but when we take in consideration stamina spent... Damn that just sucks! Come on! I want my Chydis already!
As for H and N map. In last few weeks I saw that average i have higher drop rate on N map somehow. Theoretically it should be 55% for each crystal on both maps. Just H got x3 when N got x2. However best drop i had on H was just three, usually got two anyway. Meanwhile had a lot of 5 drops on N map. Difference in crystals is actually only 1 but when we take in consideration stamina spent... Damn that just sucks! Come on! I want my Chydis already!
Re: (Nutaku) Milenium War Aigis (English Version)
So anyway, tried it out today to see if I could do it, and I'm getting pretty close to being able to do Immortal beast 3* with no premium units.
So anyway, tried it out today to see if I could do it, and I'm getting pretty close to being able to do Immortal beast 3* with no premium units.
Units used
2 units died at the very end so no 3* yet.
2 units died at the very end so no 3* yet.
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Re: (Nutaku) Milenium War Aigis (English Version)
I'm just building up my crystals at this point as i still have no interst in Chydis.
I agree, the amount dropped by H seems only maginally better than N maps. However the cost is much higher for H, and it seems a bit backwards for "progress" and scale of the maps.
I'm just building up my crystals at this point as i still have no interst in Chydis.
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Re: (Nutaku) Milenium War Aigis (English Version)
N and H have the same drop rate. Meaning that if you get one drop in H you could have gotten one drop in N.... so you are essentially giving up one crystal for every drop you get in normal. Cause you could have gotten those same drops in H, but choose not to because you choose to follow 'luck' that lies to you instead of data that shows the truth.
N and H have the same drop rate. Meaning that if you get one drop in H you could have gotten one drop in N.... so you are essentially giving up one crystal for every drop you get in normal. Cause you could have gotten those same drops in H, but choose not to because you choose to follow 'luck' that lies to you instead of data that shows the truth.
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Re: (Nutaku) Milenium War Aigis (English Version)
Over all data means shit when you NEVER see the overall yourself.
I routinly never get more than 3 drops on hard. Does not fucking matter if i never see higher on it if it "coulda shoulda woulda"..useless argument.
You want it, tear up, nothing stopping you.
But don't try to tell other people they coulda gotten it, thats like saying I coulda rolled nothing but blacks too. Just cause something is possible doesnt mean it will.
Over all data means shit when you NEVER see the overall yourself.
I routinly never get more than 3 drops on hard. Does not fucking matter if i never see higher on it if it "coulda shoulda woulda"..useless argument.
You want it, tear up, nothing stopping you.
But don't try to tell other people they coulda gotten it, thats like saying I coulda rolled nothing but blacks too. Just cause something is possible doesnt mean it will.
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Re: (Nutaku) Milenium War Aigis (English Version)
I mean - if both maps got the same drop rate (55%) then why N map seems to be dropping more than H map?
Weren't talking about actual number of crystals (it's the only reason that i'm still able to say that i was just unlucky with H map) but I just want to know if I should use eastern egg on my alts now or wait till they'll be able to do H map. As for now N map seems more profitable.
Yeah I wrote that theoretically they have the same drop rate for crystals, however my experience shows thath N map got 5 drops very often, when H map... not sure if I ever got 4 drops yet... Yeah I know it's not enough number of runs to say anything, however what can i say/think when I see h map droping 3 drops 4 times and 2 drops 2 times and on N map I got 5 drops 7 times 4 drops 5 times, 3 drops 2 times and once 2 drops...
I mean - if both maps got the same drop rate (55%) then why N map seems to be dropping more than H map?
Weren't talking about actual number of crystals (it's the only reason that i'm still able to say that i was just unlucky with H map
) but I just want to know if I should use eastern egg on my alts now or wait till they'll be able to do H map. As for now N map seems more profitable.
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Re: (Nutaku) Milenium War Aigis (English Version)
The forum users could overall be the outliers in the total set, which could fall within the expected range when looked at in its entirety.
The thing is that the dataset that the forum users here represent is probably very small compared to the total set of users.
The forum users could overall be the outliers in the total set, which could fall within the expected range when looked at in its entirety.
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Re: (Nutaku) Milenium War Aigis (English Version)
Facts are 5 SC is the better roll, but their luck sucks.
Facts are H gives more period and the drop rate is the exact same, but their luck sucks.
You can't argue with hard facts, numbers, and data. It just makes you look stupid. This isn't me or anyone else guessing, and saying 'oh H should get you more'.
Bad luck is bad luck. Just like you have bad luck when running H you can have bad luck when running N. Only thing you are doing when running N over H is making it so you get even less when that bad luck hits you.
That is something different entirely.... You want to bring in premium rolls as a comparison.... That is like someone rolling 3 SC instead of 5 SC claiming they get the higher rarity more often with 3 SC rolls instead of 5 SC rolls.
Facts are 5 SC is the better roll, but their luck sucks.
Facts are H gives more period and the drop rate is the exact same, but their luck sucks.
You can't argue with hard facts, numbers, and data. It just makes you look stupid. This isn't me or anyone else guessing, and saying 'oh H should get you more'.
Bad luck is bad luck. Just like you have bad luck when running H you can have bad luck when running N. Only thing you are doing when running N over H is making it so you get even less when that bad luck hits you.
The data we present is what came from hundred of thousand of runs of each from the entirety of the players running the daily for over a year. It isn't a small set of total users. Bad luck is bad luck that is all it is.
Because of luck... that is all... People switch from N to H get a few bad runs and claim N drops more when that is not the truth of it all. It is a kneejerk reaction to luck.
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Re: (Nutaku) Milenium War Aigis (English Version)
Considering it is made by the same Devs no. The drop rate would not be different. There is no reason for it. The only thing that will maybe ever be different from the JP version is the difficulty of events/maps due to us getting them in a different order or missing something they got earlier then we did.
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Re: (Nutaku) Milenium War Aigis (English Version)
). More data more reliability.
I still have my doubts after seeing the results so far so maybe the info is wrong? Anyway gonna check it for some more time. Would be nice if someone else would be so nice and provide thursday results for any of those maps or even both (you all doing it anyway
). More data more reliability.
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Re: (Nutaku) Milenium War Aigis (English Version)
As to claiming someone sees better on N, if thats what they see its what they see. You seem to think your facts over rule what people actually get. Yea the odds may be in favor for some statisitics, doesn't mean its going to happen with something random...now argue with that fact. It's going to be a matter of choice, nothing more nothing less.
It's the same as any gamble, what are you willing to risk. For some N is a more stable risk compared to H given risk / reward.
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BTW, if NutakuDev came here and confirmed they are the same, I'd happily eat my crow...with hot sauce please.
However, unit you have the "facts" do not claim what you are saying are until there is confirmation, because its misleading, and you can be wrong just like the rest of us.
Hold on there buckwild. You ARE guessing, Nutaku has not openly confirmed or denied our statics for the maps we have, you are spewing regurgitated shit from DMM. We dont know what ours our unless they confirm its the same, which all things given, it may be, but it's entirely possible it isn't. So get your facts straight before you try correcting someone over "facts".
As to claiming someone sees better on N, if thats what they see its what they see. You seem to think your facts over rule what people actually get. Yea the odds may be in favor for some statisitics, doesn't mean its going to happen with something random...now argue with that fact. It's going to be a matter of choice, nothing more nothing less.
It's the same as any gamble, what are you willing to risk. For some N is a more stable risk compared to H given risk / reward.
Speculation only. Odds are it was not changed, but it is not enough to form a basis that everything DMM has is exactly the same. Simply put, we don't know.
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BTW, if NutakuDev came here and confirmed they are the same, I'd happily eat my crow...with hot sauce please.
However, unit you have the "facts" do not claim what you are saying are until there is confirmation, because its misleading, and you can be wrong just like the rest of us.
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Re: (Nutaku) Milenium War Aigis (English Version)
Done... I am fucking done... you think the same devs that make the DMM version are going to change the drop rate for the Nutaku version... Why? for what possible reason would they change the daily drop rate?... You have no possible logical answer. All you are doing is grasping at straws to prove something when literally everything else is against it, and you know it. You and everyone else want to drive people to do things that are statistically worse because the only change between N and H drops are the total numbers of crystal you can get. BE MY GUEST... I'm done with this idiocy.
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As to the bolded statement, I'm not trying to convinve anyone to run anything. I can only report what i see. Most of my runs on H i get 3-4 drops for 9-12 crystals. Bad luck, probably. Can't know for sure. However, doing the same run on N, i tend to get 5 drops for 10 crystals. I simply choose to run a bit of both seeing as i do have poor luck on H. N simply seemed more consistent drop rate to me, and everyone is asurredly capable of coming to their own conclusions for what they are willing to run based on their own ideas for risk/reward. What i say will not change that.
Why? Cause they want specific drop rates for us that are different from DMM, namely to slow down the aquisition of said crystals. You act like that's not feasible. From my understanding DMM didnt begin with a trading post, we did. So you are completely ignoring they may have reason to change it. It wouldn't be the first time a game messes with numbers.
As to the bolded statement, I'm not trying to convinve anyone to run anything. I can only report what i see. Most of my runs on H i get 3-4 drops for 9-12 crystals. Bad luck, probably. Can't know for sure. However, doing the same run on N, i tend to get 5 drops for 10 crystals. I simply choose to run a bit of both seeing as i do have poor luck on H. N simply seemed more consistent drop rate to me, and everyone is asurredly capable of coming to their own conclusions for what they are willing to run based on their own ideas for risk/reward. What i say will not change that.
Re: (Nutaku) Milenium War Aigis (English Version)
This en thread is geting soo much arguement.
lets look at the fact already instead of assuming.
1st the drop rate for H and M is the same, overall the H 1 give more crystal average / stam. This drop rate data is been kindly given to use by ppl who played aigis way longer before you or are you gonna say they give us a fake data ?
Just cuz ppl having bad luck in H there just no way you can clearly said M is a better map, see alot ppl also have high luck in H map.
If you still felt H map is bad for you, then just do M map urself, not to be offensive or anything, it might be better for you with M map, but better for us with H map.
Next we all know that this english aigis is a copy from JP 1, those same unit exp buff / those rank / those UI, all of these are pretty recent of JP update (specialy same unit exp the patch just 1-2 week ago before EN aigis up).
The only thing that i see not the same is character data, they still use old sprite and not releasing certain unit, reason probably they don't want to release all unit at once on opening day and they need to replace some unit bit by bit.
If anyone still felt we got worse version than DMM or still have complain, there just simply nothing you can do. This EN version is whats been offered to us, if you not happy with it can start playing the DMM ver anyway they are both free
This en thread is geting soo much arguement.
lets look at the fact already instead of assuming.
1st the drop rate for H and M is the same, overall the H 1 give more crystal average / stam. This drop rate data is been kindly given to use by ppl who played aigis way longer before you or are you gonna say they give us a fake data ?
Just cuz ppl having bad luck in H there just no way you can clearly said M is a better map, see alot ppl also have high luck in H map.
If you still felt H map is bad for you, then just do M map urself, not to be offensive or anything, it might be better for you with M map, but better for us with H map.
Next we all know that this english aigis is a copy from JP 1, those same unit exp buff / those rank / those UI, all of these are pretty recent of JP update (specialy same unit exp the patch just 1-2 week ago before EN aigis up).
The only thing that i see not the same is character data, they still use old sprite and not releasing certain unit, reason probably they don't want to release all unit at once on opening day and they need to replace some unit bit by bit.
If anyone still felt we got worse version than DMM or still have complain, there just simply nothing you can do. This EN version is whats been offered to us, if you not happy with it can start playing the DMM ver anyway they are both free