RPG Maker The Endless World - Beginning [FULL GAME]

[Feren]

Re: The Endless World - Beginning [FULL GAME]

I'm a bit stuck and could use a little help.

1. Quest in boy's dormitory:

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One of the boys asked me to show him a real women. I talked to every women in the village but I didn't get an option to ask them for help. Am I supposed to show him Meretrix's body? Her only respons is that she "doesn't have time for that". Are there any special requirements for that?

2. I'm still missing one women:

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I already rescued Brunna, the black haired that gives you info on other womens, 1 from the last language cave, 1 from the fire area, Kid from kindergarden, the brown haired who asked for food, Trish and the black haired that was locked in Darut's cave (Something on R). And tips on that?

Thanks for the help.

 

[bigtotoro]

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They call themselves cavemen because they - well - leave in caves There is no real meaning in this. just a random detail I guess

Well, I don't call people around me "housemen" Breaks the immersion a bit frankly.

I still have tons of counter-arguments for what you just said and I don't agree with you very much, but since I seem to be unable to make any of my points stick with you, I think I'll just stop now Keep doing what you're doing, who knows, hopefully it will turn out great for you Fingers crossed dude. Too bad I can't make my own stoneage H-game "with blackjack and hookers"

Only thing I'd argue is: Don't use more bugs as an argument against more H content, that has nothing to do with it. Debugging inherently connected to software development. If it were a non RPG-maker application, I'd say the bug is caused by a memory leak, but since I don't know jack about RPG-maker, I have no idea On my Windows 8 with Japanese locale, the game just randomly crashes after playing for some time. There is also a periodic lag from time to time.

Just one question since there is no walkthough. Since you don't have "bad scenes", can I actually play the game as if I went for a virgin run and get all the H content? Asking so I won't lose time making her for example lose confidence on purpose, if there is no point to it.

 

[Hazze]

Re: The Endless World - Beginning [FULL GAME]

I'm a bit stuck and could use a little help.

1. Quest in boy's dormitory:

Spoiler

One of the boys asked me to show him a real women. I talked to every women in the village but I didn't get an option to ask them for help. Am I supposed to show him Meretrix's body? Her only respons is that she "doesn't have time for that". Are there any special requirements for that?

2. I'm still missing one women:

Spoiler

I already rescued Brunna, the black haired that gives you info on other womens, 1 from the last language cave, 1 from the fire area, Kid from kindergarden, the brown haired who asked for food, Trish and the black haired that was locked in Darut's cave (Something on R). And tips on that?

Thanks for the help.

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1. Yes there are special triggers to make this happen
2. Well, as I don't intend to give details myself as for now I will just hint that you might have not reached all the areas in the game world

Good luck with the issues

Well, I don't call people around me "housemen" Breaks the immersion a bit frankly.

I still have tons of counter-arguments for what you just said and I don't agree with you very much, but since I seem to be unable to make any of my points stick with you, I think I'll just stop now Keep doing what you're doing, who knows, hopefully it will turn out great for you Fingers crossed dude. Too bad I can't make my own stoneage H-game "with blackjack and hookers"

Only thing I'd argue is: Don't use more bugs as an argument against more H content, that has nothing to do with it. Debugging inherently connected to software development. If it were a non RPG-maker application, I'd say the bug is caused by a memory leak, but since I don't know jack about RPG-maker, I have no idea On my Windows 8 with Japanese locale, the game just randomly crashes after playing for some time. There is also a periodic lag from time to time.

Just one question since there is no walkthough. Since you don't have "bad scenes", can I actually play the game as if I went for a virgin run and get all the H content? Asking so I won't lose time making her for example lose confidence on purpose, if there is no point to it.

Heh, there are no hard feelings on my side, really And I kinda like how you stick with your ideas 'no matter what'.

Well, as mentioned before - they are cavemen for no reason. Who know if and how they called themselves really

I have already written that I get your points and I do not deny your way of thinking, 'dude' . I am just arguing that you write that things 'should' be this way and 'should' be the other way... You clearly seem to think that the game is made in a wrong way because it doesn't follow the way you would enjoy it the most or the way you would created it yourself

As much as I would love the game to suit everyone's taste fully, try to grasp my points: Your ideas are great - just in a totally different way than mine can be. If you would have created your game according to your ideas it could become great but it would be just totally different. If we all cared about exactly the same bits every game would be the same

It's like arguing either Enrique Iglessias is great or Jared Letho is great. Even if they do things differently I can like both

Well, I could've put things into wrong words, honestly.
I was never intend to put random sex sprites just to make more content. I meant that NOW that I'm thinking about it, it would probably be bad idea, as the game seems to break down even without these scenes

 

[Feren]

Re: The Endless World - Beginning [FULL GAME]

Spoiler

1. Yes there are special triggers to make this happen
2. Well, as I don't intend to give details myself as for now I will just hint that you might have not reached all the areas in the game world

Good luck with the issues

Could you tell me what are the requirements to activate those triggers? Is it something with her confidence? o:

 

[bigtotoro]

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Yeah, I do fully realize that two things can be good and there might be no dichotomy here, which is why even after giving up I hope you do well with your game.

Funny though. I thought I wasn't talking about any "my ideas". I was just naming the reasons why I think I enjoy other games more than yours and giving arguments why I thought your design decisions could be improved, like for example like you have some great setups for scenes other games would take full advantage of and you unfortunately didn't, even though you are practically halfway there. From my point of view, it seemed like it was you, who was giving arguments more based on "I just like it the way it is" and not even considering my strongest points. Funny how viewpoints of two people in the same discussion can work

Frankly I'm not entirely sure if I'll try to finish your game, but please could you answer my last question from my last post, so I don't try to get bad scenes if there are not any? For example Is there some clear point where you could actually lose the "duel" with the OCD expert

 

[Troufas]

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"Bullshit. Women do not become sluts by being raped, if anything it makes them more resistant and hesitant towards sexual intimacy, so no, corruption elements aren't "very believable." The author's bias is very well justified."


Lol, whoever gave this bad rep needs to learn how to read and not project their silly ideals. Putting words in my mouth is not funny, I never said any of that. (so hard to know who that is though right )

They don't become sluts by being raped, you got it backwards, they become sluts and THEN they become less resistant to rape. It is a process that follws a logical build up, the sluttier you are, the more dirty things you allw yourself to do.

We are also talking about GAMES here, Hope it clears up. Also grow up, learn how to read and how to take a valid critic.

Apparently you quite didn't understand what I meant by bias as well. We will get there though.

I guess you missed the vital part of what I've written.
MOST is not equal to all. And I agree that GOOD games have the issue on a totally different level. But if you try to persuade me that MOST games are the great ones, while only minority is of those unfinished with no balance at all, then I believe you will fail.

Words in my mouth again. Also need to learn how to read again, most of the games with good writing are not necessarily good games, remember these are not novels, these are games. So yeah confirming your doubts, MOST games are NOT the great ones. Good writing with shitty mechanics equals bad game. Bad writing with good mechanics does not necessarily mean a bad game though (because guess what, yeah they are games...)

So when I say most good games with good writing, I am talking about those few games that have a good writing and a good mechanic.

I will talk about your bias bellow.

I am very far from having an unjustified bias, really, and I think I've seen quite a few games from the genre. I won't say that I'm a know-it-all in this topic, but I try to do my homework

Nope, you just said in your OP that

most of the games suggest that every woman enjoys rapes and they are aroused and waiting to be fucked 24/7

, I am just calling you on your bullshit statement (once again), unjustified bias because it is not true, if you bother to just click the other topics in this forum, you will easily see it is not the truth. Now if you bother to go out there in the world and check every other game you will most likely know it is not true.I already justified why it is not true, and it is because making a slut protagonist from the getgo results in a failed uninteresting game. You are just paying attention to crap that gets posted on news sites that cause impact. We want to sell good interesting games right? Another poster in this very thread confirmed my words mentioning Vitamin Quest (have you even heard of that? There is an english version too!) a game that has the sluttiest character you can ever dream of from the get go, which makes the game boring after 5 minutes. Vitamin Quest is actually one of the few games that actually fit your bias.

Need to do a better homework.

Also, I think that even better games often (NOT ALWAYS) follow quite the same pattern of showing slut versions of characters, while I'm more than sure that not all the 'girls' go through this issue in the same way.

They don't just pop up as sluts out of the blue, they have their journeys, they need a good writing to make it convincing how they slowly become a slut, IF YOU CHOOSE so (very important here, you have the option to do so, you are not forced, having different options in games helps a lot on making it a better game because again, it is a game) or if they remain untainted.

EDIT: What is more: I do NOT consider other creators my rivals, and I wish them all the best, as I appraciate and enjoy their work.

Did mean as rivals in a good standing, where you try to surpass each other making yourselves better in the process, that is why we check what is up out there. And what player demographic we are aiming towards.



Also Hazzle, the whole point of the first post was to call on your bias that

most of the games suggest that every woman enjoys rapes and they are aroused and waiting to be fucked 24/7

and to persuade you to see that, go out there and change your views on the subject, not anything else.
And that, that is your bias, and I don't think i could justify it even if I tried hard.


Didn't say a single word about your game yet.

 

[Donald Faction]

Re: The Endless World - Beginning [FULL GAME]

wow five pages and drama starts must be a new record for a western work.

 

[bigtotoro]

Re: The Endless World - Beginning [FULL GAME]

Just for reference, if you were interested, the game that I'm comparing your game to (and which I judge superior in gameplay) is Bitch Exorcist Rio 2, due to the vastly similar game mechanics and a lack of a true battle system in both. Too bad, since I consider your setting, your main character and your supporting cast much more interesting in theory.

Also, I know saying this is pointless, but no drama flame wars plis. "Learn to read" and "I call bullshit" can be said more politely I also disagree with the creator of this game on many things and yet we managed to lead a completely civil discussion so far.

 

[Xil]

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Speaking of Vitamin Quest, I think that's the only game that I've ever played which has the main character (which is a female) want to fuck everyone she meets. But then again I don't actively search for hentai games on the internet except on a couple of forums including this one. Not to mention I don't really bother with JPN games unless there's a translation.

However, I don't think Hazze meant what you think they did with the "fucked 24/7" line.

Otherwise he wouldn't be visiting this site now would he?

I mean for crying out loud the main menu of the game is showing the protagonist's bare ass and has her blushing.

 

[Troufas]

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Just for reference, if you were interested, the game that I'm comparing your game to (and which I judge superior in gameplay) is Bitch Exorcist Rio 2, due to the vastly similar game mechanics and a lack of a true battle system in both. Too bad, since I consider your setting, your main character and your supporting cast much more interesting in theory.

Also, I know saying this is pointless, but no drama flame wars plis. "Learn to read" and "I call bullshit" can be said more politely I also disagree with the creator of this game on many things and yet we managed to lead a completely civil discussion so far.

I was actually very polite on my first post, I just brought the childish sneak attempt to "get back at me" to light, because said person had zero interest to actually read and comprehend my post, and that was because of another unrelated bias which forced said person to do selective reading and get mad at me, then putting words in my mouth.

If one wants to be respected, one must respect first.

 

[Hazze]

Re: The Endless World - Beginning [FULL GAME]

@ bigtotoro

Well, yeah, most likely we just misunderstood each other Happens

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There are no bad ends, which would give you hentai scenes

@ Troufas

Not sure how to react to the quote you mentioned at first, must have missed it ^^

I'm not sure how I've put any words in your mouth, I've just theoretically spoke that if you ever tried to persuade me to X you would fail. There is no saying you tried or anything

I don't consider my project a novel, I consider it a game, although I think the written content is no less important than game mechanics, at least from my point of view

I believe I understood you quite well, I just said about games in total to explain MY OWN statement in the first post, rather than show you how mistaken you are.

Let's say I tried 100 games of the genre, if at least 51 of these shown women enjoying rapes, with no honest reason, then my MOST games statement stands as valid... And I think that the numbers are right, at least for me. Maybe you had more luck and found only great games. Happy for you then.

I can't really get myself to comment on the following paragraph (the one with Vitamin mentioned), where you tried to convince me (or at least that's how I felt about it) that I'm wrong with my opinion, because I most likely missed the point of the paragraph, sorry...

I already said it - there are games with good story behind becoming sluts... But here my point was different: not every girl, who is slowly becoming a slut will start to think 'it actually feels good' at some point. That's what I meant, while saying that the pattern is at times a bit unreal too...

Well, glad we at least agree that it's good to have many different creators around

I'm a really peaceful person and I mean no harm in discussing things around here I just feel it's my role as the creator to explain whatever I can to you guys in this exact topic, and do it as well as I can.


EDIT: I'm a bit confused... But were you in any way offended by my previous response? x.x Because I'm more than sure that I tried to just answer your post as honest as I could... If you felt 'attacked' by it, then I'm honestly sorry, and never meant to do so.

 

[Xil]

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Let's say I tried 100 games of the genre, if at least 51 of these shown women enjoying rapes, with no honest reason,

Technically it's not rape if one enjoys it.

 

[Hazze]

Re: The Endless World - Beginning [FULL GAME]

Technically it's not rape if one enjoys it.

I believe it is still a rape if one person is 'taken' against his or her will, even if that person feels pleasure, As far as I can remember it is not about how one feels during the act, but wether the person in question wanted the act to happen or not.

Unless of course you meant that the 'one' enjoying it is the abuser, so he or she surely is not raped then

 

[bigtotoro]

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Technically it's not rape if one enjoys it.

I don't like this notion because outside of our in-game power fantasies it's creepy as fuck. Physical stimulation can cause pleasure even against the will, which often causes the sense of guilt in victims of sexual violence. But let's keep away from the RL stuff, since this is all just about play and harmless fantasy.

It's not about enjoying it "pointlessly", it's either about the aforementioned power fantasy of making the girl enjoy it by dominating her. or over long time making her used to it and her being broken enough to decide to make the best of her bad situation and enjoy it then. At least I think. No heroine that I know of enjoyed it "pointlessly", unless she was a masochist to begin with.

 

[Xil]

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I believe it is still a rape if one person is 'taken' against his or her will, even if that person feels pleasure, As far as I can remember it is not about how one feels during the act, but wether the person in question wanted the act to happen or not.

Unless of course you meant that the 'one' enjoying it is the abuser, so he or she surely is not raped then

Nope, meant the victim. That would be fucked up if I meant the abuser...

I don't like this notion because outside of our in-game power fantasies it's creepy as fuck. Physical stimulation can cause pleasure even against the will, which often causes the sense of guilt in victims of sexual violence. But let's keep away from the RL stuff, since this is all just about play and harmless fantasy.

It's not about enjoying it "pointlessly", it's either about the aforementioned power fantasy of making the girl enjoy by dominating her. or over long time making her used to it and her being broken enough to decide to make the best of her bad situation and enjoy it then. At least I think. No heroine that I know of enjoyed it "pointlessly", unless she was a masochist to begin with.

Well I meant more in a situation where the rapist goes on to rape a girl but she is into it from the very beginning and doesn't struggle at all.

 

[Troufas]

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I can't really get myself to comment on the following paragraph (the one with Vitamin mentioned), where you tried to convince me (or at least that's how I felt about it) that I'm wrong with my opinion, because I most likely missed the point of the paragraph, sorry...

Summary

1 - Creating a character that is a slut for no reason makes a game fail.

2 - Vitamin Quest is a game where that happens, and it is boring as hell(it is also one of the few you will find of this kind).

3 - Most of the games women DON'T enjoy rape with no reason, unless they have been massively slutified, because it is unreal otherwise. I speak from experience if you go to my RPGMaker folder you can easily get lost (like a lot of the forum users here).

4 - I recommended you to check out just the massive ammount of games in this forum so that you could confirm that statement (and then maybe more out there)

5 - I have nothing against your game, I am also not telling you should do these things in your game.

 

[bigtotoro]

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Well I meant more in a situation where the rapist goes on to rape a girl but she is into it from the very beginning and doesn't struggle at all.

Allright allright, but that in my opinion is not a case of "well, she enjoyed it" but "well, her consent was ambiguous, but she did consent"

 

[Xil]

Re: The Endless World - Beginning [FULL GAME]

Allright allright, but that in my opinion is not a case of "well, she enjoyed it" but "well, her consent was ambiguous, but she did consent"

Isn't that what usually happens when you have a fully corrupted character in any of the Circle Kame games?

 

[Feren]

Re: The Endless World - Beginning [FULL GAME]

I know I'm being annoying but I'm really stuck on that kindergarden quest and I would prefare not to replay the entire game just to experiment with that. So...

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Does anyone know how to trigger the scene in the boy's dormitory with the kid asking MC to show him a real, adult women?

Anyone? ._.

 

[Xil]

Re: The Endless World - Beginning [FULL GAME]

I know I'm being annoying but I'm really stuck on that kindergarden quest and I would prefare not to replay the entire game just to experiment with that. So...

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Does anyone know how to trigger the scene in the boy's dormitory with the kid asking MC to show him a real, adult women?

Anyone? ._.

Spoiler

Go try to talk to Brunna. If nothing happens, sleep a few nights (atleast that's what I did) and talk to the kid again and then go talk to Brunna again.