Divine Arms - A magical action-adventure hentai game

[AGamerPassingBy]

Re: Divine Arms - A magical action-adventure hentai game

Makes me wonder if things will go differently if he never uses Patreon in the first place.

 

[CountMoxi]

Re: Divine Arms - A magical action-adventure hentai game

Really, I think hiding general progress updates even behind a paywall is what is really the shadiest bit of it all at this moment. Often times it's plain text updates with no pictures behind a paywall.

This. I never got the idea of doing this if you're having a project being crowd funded. Sure, patrons might see your progress, but to anyone else seeing the project from the outside, its just going to seem like no progress has been made. There are numerous benefits you can give to patrons such as source files, polls, or behind the scene stuff, but basic progress of your project shouldn't be a privilege you have to pay for. You''ll just end up alienating your audience.

 

[Hallerai]

Re: Divine Arms - A magical action-adventure hentai game

This. I never got the idea of doing this if you're having a project being crowd funded. Sure, patrons might see your progress, but to anyone else seeing the project from the outside, its just going to seem like no progress has been made. There are numerous benefits you can give to patrons such as source files, polls, or behind the scene stuff, but basic progress of your project shouldn't be a privilege you have to pay for. You''ll just end up alienating your audience.

To add to this its actually alienating your "potential" audience.

 

[JuKJuKlyt]

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I think the main problem with the patreon is; it gives the incentive to many game makers to make their game as slow as humanly possible to get the most money possible.

They will only give the patreons some very small update when there is a huge unrest. That is why people should pick who they support very carefully, and only give to people who have finished a game before or at least supply regular big (high quality) updates.

However there are so many scummy developers using patreon sadly.

 

[ments]

Re: Divine Arms - A magical action-adventure hentai game

I think the main problem with the patreon is; it gives the incentive to many game makers to make their game as slow as humanly possible to get the most money possible.

They will only give the patreons some very small update when there is a huge unrest. That is why people should pick who they support very carefully, and only give to people who have finished a game before or at least supply regular big (high quality) updates.

However there are so many scummy developers using patreon sadly.

that's why i only consider patreons who is taking fee for updates, not monthly
1st even if project get's abandoned - you will not pay for nothing, until you find out , second the creator is more motivated in doing actual work.
But that's only me, it's not my business where and how other people spends their money - where there are sheep, there always will be wolfs.

 

[Shinkaiser G]

Re: Divine Arms - A magical action-adventure hentai game

Makes me wonder if things will go differently if he never uses Patreon in the first place.

honestly? IMO, it probably wouldn't. The only thing that would change is there would be less people complaining about how slow he is. The red flag for me is people who suddenly go back and start reworking vast portions of their game for no reason

 

[AGamerPassingBy]

Re: Divine Arms - A magical action-adventure hentai game

The only thing that would change is there would be less people complaining about how slow he is.

The problem is, most of the people who are complaining are not really complaining about his slow speed, but about the possibility that he too had been corrupted by the sweet poison of Patreon's easy money.

 

[Captainstarfish]

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The fact that he's hidden the amount of money he's making a month is concerning too. I mean, I was interested in this two years ago, but there's been rather little progress since then... but a whole lot of patreon payouts.

When you're starting to look like Project X, except taking monthly checks for it, people are going to talk.

 

[azurezero]

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The fact that he's hidden the amount of money he's making a month is concerning too. I mean, I was interested in this two years ago, but there's been rather little progress since then... but a whole lot of patreon payouts.

When you're starting to look like Project X, except taking monthly checks for it, people are going to talk.

They're always set to busy on skype with the message that theyre busy and only pm if its important... I figure this is because theyre actually swamped and working really hard.

 

[Sire Loser]

Game is dying. Animator is quitting and creator asked to stop pledges until situation stabilizes. If it is released it will be most likely as a prologue.

 

[Serifyn]

Game is dying. Animator is quitting and creator asked to stop pledges until situation stabilizes. If it is released it will be most likely as a prologue.

Could you provide some proof? Any Patreon links are locked by Patreon status.

If this is true then it is a tremendous disappointment, people were excited about this game and were donating to it for nearly 2 years, yet we haven't seen a public demo with new H-content in just as long despite promises that everything was going just fine under the scenes.

 

[Buziol]

Game is dying. Animator is quitting and creator asked to stop pledges until situation stabilizes. If it is released it will be most likely as a prologue.

Well, well, well...no surprises here. We all could see where the project was going when they locked everything behind paywall and refused to release anything of value for such a long time. It was bound to happen, sooner or later. So, once again, we see an epic fail not because it's was badly designed but because it was badly managed. I still hope that this personal drama is temporary and will be worked out, even though past experience shows it most likely won't...

 

[alias34]

A rundown on this situation would be appreciated. Though I'm guessing the devs will say something soon enough if this is true.

 

[dijitz]

Well, well, well...no surprises here. We all could see where the project was going when they locked everything behind paywall and refused to release anything of value for such a long time. It was bound to happen, sooner or later. So, once again, we see an epic fail not because it's was badly designed but because it was badly managed. I still hope that this personal drama is temporary and will be worked out, even though past experience shows it most likely won't...

No, I wouldnt say the paywall is where it truly started. It was when they decided to become over-ambitious with adding a whole lot of extra and tbh unnecessary content. They could have made it simple and added more story, animations like the slime ball thing and it would've been good. I think so far the best uses of patreon would be Hentaiwriter and Sourejelly as the former deals with problems asap and the later keeps adding on to it. Also, Umai Neko is pretty good at updating too.

 

[dumai12]

A rundown on this situation would be appreciated. Though I'm guessing the devs will say something soon enough if this is true.

kReig said Chris quit because he no longer wants to animate darker enemies (like rape-vine) and "personal issues." As for kReig, he is still claiming storm issues (says sister got dengue, and an old guy died), and a bunch of people and their pets got "rat-piss disease or leptospirosis." Whether all that is true who knows. I take anything patreon developers say with a grain of salt (sorry a fucking bag of salt). If it's true, it's an unfortunate situation and I send my condolences, if it's not, just freaking come out and say you've been lazy and screwing over your patreons. I'm getting tired of the bullshit.

 

[kiko]

Yet another patreon scam. What a fucking miracle lol

 

[Buziol]

Thanks for the info. I apreciate it.

kReig said Chris quit because he not longer wants to animate darker enemies (like rape-vine) and "personal issues."

So...he's a lazy slob, a drama queen or kReig wasn't wise enough to motivate him well enough and secure the project in the long-term. My money on the third option as we've seen that in the past a few times. With Breeding Season we had a comedy aspect at least...

As for kReig, he is still claiming storm issues (says sister got dengue, and an old guy died), and a bunch of people and their pets got "rat-piss disease or leptospirosis." Whether all that is true who knows. I take anything patreon developers say with a grain of salt (sorry a fucking bag of salt). If it's true, it's an unfortunate situation and I send my condolences, if it's not, just freaking come out and say you've been lazy and screwing over your patreons. I'm getting tired of the bullshit.

Now I wonder even more - how come that EVERY h-game developer has problems of such magnitude? I just don't understand, it should be close to impossible for so many people to have such problems in such a small community unless such a community is a subject to some unknown "curse-like" factor. It would be a great alternative topic for my university research thesis, lol...

 

[Noble 6]

Now I wonder even more - how come that EVERY h-game developer has problems of such magnitude? I just don't understand, it should be close to impossible for so many people to have such problems in such a small community unless such a community is a subject to some unknown "curse-like" factor.

Now hold on. We all know that once someone has a constant stream of money supplied that requires no effort to claim on, the magical Car Troubles and Family Sickness fairy shows up to make it so that your patreon barely budges two levels in 3-4 years. It's just common sense.

That said, the best patreons are the ones that fully release a game in a timely manner. So maybe like two of them. Hreinn being one and Wolfenstahl being the other.

 

[AGamerPassingBy]

At this point it's safe to say that Patreon (and maybe all similar sites and many crowd-funding agents) is a dangerous sweet honey-poison for developers, and one hell of a double-edged sword to the pledgers, others who looking forward to the game, and the game itself.

Also, you have to admit that the concept of "giving money for unfinished products" is a flawed application of Patreon in the first place, yet unfortunately famous.


I feel bad for Patreon and other creators that are actually decent and responsible there.

 

[Buziol]

At this point it's safe to say that Patreon (and maybe all similar sites and many crowd-funding agents) is a dangerous sweet honey-poison for developers, and one hell of a double-edged sword to the pledgers, others who looking forward to the game, and the game itself.

Also, you have to admit that the concept of "giving money for unfinished products" is a flawed application of Patreon in the first place, yet unfortunately famous.


I feel bad for Patreon and other creators that are actually decent and responsible there.

Even though many patreons openly state that the money is for the development of the game, some people on this forum still claim "oh, but you support the person, not the product" (it even happened in this thread if I'm not mistaken). Well, yeah, I bet that's why they get all that money, because they are the super-duper-funny guys to throw money at and we all act as a charity. I want to believe...

I don't know why but japanese patreon - Enty - doesn't have such problems. Many people there are decent enough to not milk money out of people if there's nothing of value to publish. They also tend to publish on regular basis. Of course, there are some that gather the money for themselves but here's a funny little plot twist : they openly state that in the description! Sometimes I think we have a thing or two to learn from the Far-Eastern Asians when it comes to work and the general social values.

As of now, I think this forum should introduce a rule similar to 8chan - no patreon links. Maybe not so radical but devs should first prove that they are trustworthy when it comes to their determination to finish the game.