ACT Shota [ExcessM] 廻るハゴコロ / Mawaru Hagokoro (RJ325142)

[TheUnsaid]

The guy isn't getting his head bashed in by old, fat women in their seventies who rip his pants off and give him the worst sex he's ever had; he can

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. The male is never in any real danger. No such consideration exists if the victim is female and the enemies are male.

What's the point if the girls aren't cute?
Eroge creators are rarely gay and even rarer women. Heck, I doubt even women would want to see that.

Honestly don't want to see 70 year old women rape dudes.

I mean... first futa on male, and now this. I honestly think it'd be good for you to create your own game. Maybe there's a market out there for your tastes that I don't know about. I honestly don't mean that in a condescending manner btw. I ACTUALLY MEAN IT. It's better for the indie adult industry if more people join.

Reverse rape usually means the female takes initiative in the action, but the male still dictates how he wants to be violated.

Depends on the gameplay, and the same can honestly be generally applied to femc games.
cell said it well.

the woman has as much choice in these games as the guy (unless it's scripted). She can run from and avoid enemies as much as male victims.

 

[Deleted member 371426]

Interesting discussion; and while I get what Dan Druff means, hell, even agree with his proposed truer definition of reverse rape, it's a simple matter of the target audience being horny submissive guys who just want an attractive girl to boss them around and fuck them silly. I know there's some people into it, but I think most guys want to have their jimmies rustled by a hottie rather than the creature from the black lagoon. Also, just because the rapist is a hot chick, doesn't change the fact that the victim of reverse rape is still getting raped. Just makes it a fantasy situation.

Also, I personally think a better translation for the title would be something like "Around Hagokoro" or something like that; "Rolling Plumage" doesn't make much sense. I could be wrong since my Japanese is barely even beginner level and I constantly rely on dictionaries but I think Hagokoro is a proper noun; and "Mawaru" has multiple meanings, such as rolling, revolving, going around, etc... But in my own personal interpretation, I think Hagokoro might be the name of the game's new setting, hence "around" being my hypothesized translation; "around the world" kind of thing. Of course, if one of you has a better understanding, please kick me off of my shoddy soapbox, haha.

 

[TheUnsaid]

Interesting discussion; and while I get what Dan Druff means, hell, even agree with his proposed truer definition of reverse rape, it's a simple matter of the target audience being horny submissive guys who just want an attractive girl to boss them around and fuck them silly. I know there's some people into it, but I think most guys want to have their jimmies rustled by a hottie rather than the creature from the black lagoon. Also, just because the rapist is a hot chick, doesn't change the fact that the victim of reverse rape is still getting raped. Just makes it a fantasy situation.

Also, I personally think a better translation for the title would be something like "Around Hagokoro" or something like that; "Rolling Plumage" doesn't make much sense. I could be wrong since my Japanese is barely even beginner level and I constantly rely on dictionaries but I think Hagokoro is a proper noun; and "Mawaru" has multiple meanings, such as rolling, revolving, going around, etc... But in my own personal interpretation, I think Hagokoro might be the name of the game's new setting, hence "around" being my hypothesized translation; "around the world" kind of thing. Of course, if one of you has a better understanding, please kick me off of my shoddy soapbox, haha.

Hmmm... First, I'd like to talk about this part, " it's a simple matter of the target audience being horny submissive guys who just want an attractive girl to boss them around and fuck them silly."
I don't know if I'm alone in this but that's really not what I like about reverse rape content.
I don't even think I'm that submissive personality wise. I just like sexually assertive girls who enjoy sex. Best way to show a girl's thirsty and having fun is for her to be playing around and moving her hips.

You see I don't like NTR, Pegging, Wax play or any of that stuff.

In fact, in games that are VNs with reverse rape content, I prefer proactive protagonists like Luca from MGQ who are principled and are trying their best.

It's a bit incongruous with my desire for faithful girls though, because if a girl's having fun while having sex she's probably a slut or not being with you exclusively. Well, at the end of the day it's a fantasy. Very rarely can you have it all. The girls in the Sequel series, P.D Creation's games and the like are generally like this though, so I do feel I'm not alone in liking this stuff.

Mawaru Hagokoro is the japanese name.
Only times I've heard Mawaru in Japanese is the earth spins. ... Hmmm... I guess there's also me ga mawaru for my eye's spinning/i'm dizzy.
I just decided to be safe and use the google translate and call it roll though.

I'm translating Hagokoro to Plumage because of the precedent set in Agarest War Mariage. The girls also use a Hagokoro there and the game translates it to Plumage. Maybe i should've been confident and called it Spinning Plumage?

Well we'll get an official english title eventually... probably.

 

[Deleted member 371426]

Hmmm... First, I'd like to talk about this part, " it's a simple matter of the target audience being horny submissive guys who just want an attractive girl to boss them around and fuck them silly."
I don't know if I'm alone in this but that's really not what I like about reverse rape content.
I don't even think I'm that submissive personality wise. I just like sexually assertive girls who enjoy sex. Best way to show a girl's thirsty and having fun is for her to be playing around and moving her hips.

You see I don't like NTR, Pegging, Wax play or any of that stuff.

In fact, in games that are VNs with reverse rape content, I prefer proactive protagonists like Luca from MGQ who are principled and are trying their best.

It's a bit incongruous with my desire for faithful girls though, because if a girl's having fun while having sex she's probably a slut or not being with you exclusively. Well, at the end of the day it's a fantasy. Very rarely can you have it all. The girls in the Sequel series, P.D Creation's games and the like are generally like this though, so I do feel I'm not alone in liking this stuff.

Mawaru Hagokoro is the japanese name.
Only times I've heard Mawaru in Japanese is the earth spins. ... Hmmm... I guess there's also me ga mawaru for my eye's spinning/i'm dizzy.
I just decided to be safe and use the google translate and call it roll though.

I'm translating Hagokoro to Plumage because of the precedent set in Agarest War Mariage. The girls also use a Hagokoro there and the game translates it to Plumage. Maybe i should've been confident and called it Spinning Plumage?

Well we'll get an official english title eventually... probably.

The boldfaced quote there was meant to be a bit of a gag (though it is rooted in some truth haha). Our interests are actually pretty much identical! In my personal opinion, it isn't very arousing material if the woman isn't enjoying herself; and agree wholeheartedly with your proposed best method of presenting such. I don't find any of those turnoffs appealing either; and we share the same preference for our RR protagonists. Same with the bit about it counteracting a preference for them to be faithful to said protagonist instead of sleeping around...

Once again, my understanding of Japanese is rudimentary at best; I was simply putting my take out there for consideration. I'll take your translation though- you're the one working with a native speaker.

Regardless, looking forward to this releasing! Is it strange for me to hope we can customize the randomized minions for the edit battles, though? It was a feature I had expected in the Casino game. The randomization is pretty neat in actual gameplay but sometimes you see a combination that really appeals to you, only to pass by her in the Casino game, or in Hagokoro's future situation, obliterate her with some LMB ninjutsu; never to see them again...

 

[gemstoner75]

Spoiler: When someone talks shit about your waifu.

Well certainly didn't expect that from a feudal Japan setting.

 

[Someone92]

Whut? Is that screenshot real?

 

[sigmazx]

Spoiler: When someone talks shit about your waifu.

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Well certainly didn't expect that from a feudal Japan setting.

Hesitation is defeat

SEKIRO

 

[gemstoner75]

Whut? Is that screenshot real?

Yes it is.
It's from the latest ci-en entry. It shows off some enemy attack animations and blood effects when getting hit.

Including one enemy that literally has a gun. A fantasy'ish gun, but a gun nonetheless.

 

[super_slicer]

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. Guns were definitely available during Japan's feudal period.

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[szarala]

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. Guns were definitely available during Japan's feudal period.

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there are literally dozens of anime about this

This looking nice; I always thought Parade Buster was their best work. Gotta contain my own hype.

 

[goldendark]

ya i also liked parade buster more then the beat em up games that does not mean i did not like the other games i did but i still like parade buster more since this game is meant to be like parade buster i cant wait to play it.

 

[TheUnsaid]

ya i also liked parade buster more then the beat em up games that does not mean i did not like the other games i did but i still like parade buster more since this game is meant to be like parade buster i cant wait to play it.

Yeah, I agree that Parade Buster is his best work.

It fits well with his skillset in my opinion. His beat-em-up games have some jank animations when it comes to character walk cycles and choppy attack animations. In an action game about reacting to attacks and moving around, I do feel like those aspects of the game lower the overall quality of the game. He also has HUGE effects, that cover the art making the game feel messy.

Parade Buster has no such problems. We get full high-def views of the characters, and he only does standing animations and 1 frame attack animations so visually Parade Buster is more fun to look at. The larger effects he likes using aren't a problem either since the character art is also quite large.

My only issues with Parade Buster as a game is that like all of ExcessM's games, the actual sexual content you get while playing the game is quite low. As soon as sex stuff happens, you'll escape in like 1.5s and boom right back to gameplay, and there's no incentive to go and experience the sexual content on your own. Like purposefully getting caught to restore mana or something, and that the game is insanely easy. I think what makes games like Fobs and Shrift feel so erotic is that there are benefits to experiencing the sexual content in the game, so the games are inherently more sexual.

Gameplay wise I also think FLASH is a bit too powerful and could be reworked a bit. Something like it only activates at full mana just like the rightclick, and takes half your mana. Guarding doesn't come to play at all in Parade Buster since you can abuse flash if you have even basic reflexes.

 

[AWACS Thunderhead]

Gameplay wise I also think FLASH is a bit too powerful and could be reworked a bit. Something like it only activates at full mana just like the rightclick, and takes half your mana. Guarding doesn't come to play at all in Parade Buster since you can abuse flash if you have even basic reflexes.

Yeah, that's the one thing I really want to see with the new game (along with having the hardest difficulty unlocked from the start), some replacement or nerf to the FLASH mechanic, since it makes the game way too easy. With these kinds of games, I think it's so much more hot to actually lose to the enemies' charms as a player, rather than simply viewing the scenes through a gallery or intentionally losing. Of course, this is difficult to balance well (go too far in that direction, and you make the game too frustrating to complete + too difficult to see further H-content), but I'm eager to see if that aspect is improved at all in this game.

 

[Dan Druff]

I know the discussion is about

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While mostly true, the woman has as much choice in these games as the guy (unless it's scripted). She can run from and avoid enemies as much as male victims. The reason for appearances is that the majority of players and developers are male and are inserting themselves into the role of victim/rapist. Thus, they think, "What would I/my players enjoy?" rather than, "What would this particular victim enjoy?" So it winds up with, "I want to see/have intercourse" rather than, "Is she ready for intercourse?" It also appeals to many women inserting themselves into these roles, as they can be the beautiful succubus and may enjoy the degredation involved in being forced to have sex with things she is not normally attracted to.

No woman thinks that way. She already gets shit like that in real life from guys who can't keep their fantasies in check. There's a difference between "Smart guys can be attractive" and "I like having an 80-year-old man with beer breath belching in my face while grabbing my hair and touching me between my legs."

What's the point if the girls aren't cute? Eroge creators are rarely gay and even rarer women. Heck, I doubt even women would want to see that. Honestly don't want to see 70 year old women rape dudes. I mean first futa on male, and now this. I honestly think it'd be good for you to create your own game. Maybe there's a market out there for your tastes that I don't know about. I honestly don't mean that in a condescending manner by the way. I ACTUALLY MEAN IT. It's better for the indie adult industry if more people join.

Why do females always get stuck with the ugliest dudes then? The main selling point is less about the appearance of the female but rather power over the female. Gay porn tends to involve two ripped dudes who wear next to nothing and touch each other. Women who make porn make everyone pretty. Only straight guys seem to have it out for women who didn't submit to them in real life so they create a perfect scenario where the male has complete control over the female. As far as making my own game I actually did mess with Beats of Rage at the time when it was new and made a brawler full of female enemies who all had grapple attacks. I'm not a skilled artist, so all I could do was modify existing characters and designate them as enemies. I also attempted to edit the Abobo sprite from Double Dragon on NES. Mode A is the single player mode, and Mode B is the versus mode with larger sprites. I tried to replace Abobo from Mode A with Linda from Mode B, but I abandoned it because I had no idea what I was doing. Lastly I proposed an idea years ago on another website that was running a contest where the developer on the site would create the game that received the most votes. My proposal for a truer reverse-rape game received ZERO VOTES.

Interesting discussion; and while I get what Dan Druff means, hell, even agree with his proposed truer definition of reverse rape, it's a simple matter of the target audience being horny submissive guys who just want an attractive girl to boss them around and fuck them silly. I know there's some people into it, but I think most guys want to have their jimmies rustled by a hottie rather than the creature from the black lagoon. Also, just because the rapist is a hot chick doesn't change the fact that the victim of reverse rape is still getting raped. Just make it a fantasy situation.

I'm also enjoying this discussion. TheUnsaid has been a really good sparring partner for me. The example you give is exactly the point I was trying to make in my previous post where the male still dictates the terms of his "rape." Guys can say "I only want little girls to touch my weiner with their feet" but girls cannot say "I want a handsome gent to give me wine before he gently pins me down and blows in my ear." Instead she gets a creature from the black lagoon who cums in her face while choking her out. I understand why people don't like pegging or futa on male; one reason is that the anus is only for exit, not entrance. Pegging and futa on male also imply that the female is dominant, and some guys cannot handle loss of control. I also think it's a big copout when developers claim to have big age differences between the player and the enemies, but they only do that by having a much younger male lead to avoid drawing a much older female enemy. I know this rant is pointless because developers will always make whatever they choose. I get bored whenever

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Yeah, I agree that Parade Buster is his best work. It fits well with his skillset in my opinion. His beat-em-up games have some jank animations when it comes to character walk cycles and choppy attack animations. In an action game about reacting to attacks and moving around, I do feel like those aspects of the game lower the overall quality of the game. He also has HUGE effects, that cover the art making the game feel messy. Parade Buster has no such problems. We get full high-def views of the characters, and he only does standing animations and 1 frame attack animations so visually Parade Buster is more fun to look at. The larger effects he likes using aren't a problem either since the character art is also quite large. My only issues with Parade Buster as a game is that like all of ExcessM's games, the actual sexual content you get while playing the game is quite low. As soon as sex stuff happens, you'll escape in like 1.5s and boom right back to gameplay, and there's no incentive to go and experience the sexual content on your own. Like purposefully getting caught to restore mana or something, and that the game is insanely easy. I think what makes games like Fobs and Shrift feel so erotic is that there are benefits to experiencing the sexual content in the game, so the games are inherently more sexual. Gameplay wise I also think FLASH is a bit too powerful and could be reworked a bit. Something like it only activates at full mana just like the rightclick, and takes half your mana. Guarding doesn't come to play at all in Parade Buster since you can abuse flash if you have even basic reflexes.

Turning WolfRPG into a fake light gun game is genius. The tricky thing is that the enemies in the back don't take damage unless the player defeats the enemies in the front or uses a weapon that attacks everyone. I never liked the way Smash Boy played, and YUMESAME stuck with that control scheme. Those games played more like MMORPGs than proper beat 'em ups. Since zzinzinz already repeated one type of game by having YUMESAME play like Smash Boy, it only makes sense to mimic Parade Buster with this new game.

 

[TheUnsaid]

My proposal for a truer reverse-rape game received ZERO VOTES.

Maybe that's why these games aren't being made? No demand?
Respectable that you're trying.

Guys can say "I only want little girls to touch my weiner with their feet" but girls cannot say "I want a handsome gent to give me wine before he gently pins me down and blows in my ear."

OH, there's a fundamental issue you're having here!

Games with male protags are made by men and meant to be played by men for the most part.
Games with female protags are made by men and meant to be played by men for the most part as well.

The protagonist's gender has nothing to do with the market gender.

I understand why people don't like pegging or futa on male; one reason is that the anus is only for exit, not entrance. Pegging and futa on male also imply that the female is dominant, and some guys cannot handle loss of control.

I feel like I've said this before but that kind of analysis of fetishes is pretty much useless.
People just like what they like, and there's no getting around that.
People who like feet will never be able to convince people who don't like feet to like feet no matter what words they use, because a fetish is a part of your sexual identity.
It's the same like how men who like men will never be able to convince men who don't to also like men.

I get bored whenever

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That guy was messing about in unity and made his game. It's got nothing to do with risks, and personally I think it's rude to the developer to even insinuate as such. Making games isn't easy. Obviously when you do make your game you'll put in what you like as a person. He just made what he himself liked sexually (mostly foreplay since a little over 70% of that game is foreplay). The creator of SHRIFT also does not include futa on male, or hideous 70 year old women raping men, even if he has vore in his game and his heroines are more monstrous (which is quite a risk.)

Those games played more like MMORPGs than proper beat 'em ups. Since zzinzinz already repeated one type of game by having YUMESAME play like Smash Boy, it only makes sense to mimic Parade Buster with this new game.

I don't see the MMORPG comparison to be quite honest. Attacks can still be dodged, and your stats don't matter much.
Maybe with the move to Unity he could create a better Yumesame type though. WOLFRPG actually limited how many enemies he could display on the field before things slowed down, and the reason I believe he created lanes was so that he could cheat in depth (draw-order) calculation.

Also, w/o innate RPG support, I think the game would have fewer useless RPG mechanics and would be a more action-oriented experience like he's desired.

 

[Someone92]

Like purposefully getting caught to restore mana or something

Wow, that'S a fun idea.
Hope I will see that in a game some day.

 

[TheUnsaid]

Wow, that'S a fun idea.
Hope I will see that in a game some day.

There's a few FeMC games where you play as a succubus where that's the case. (Tower of Succubus is one that comes to mind.)

Either way, for games like these to not feel low in erotic content, you need to give incentive for players to have sex, and if you want reverse rape content, you need to add slight simulation elements for the girls to initiate.

Zell did a good job by making it so that capture conditions means letting the girls be satisfied with their sexual experience. If you're going around unlocking all girls you'll be seeing a lot more erotic content in that game, where the opposite is that you're just defeating them. That's why FOBS is so much more erotic than Eroico. Succubus Affection has the whole defeat them and then fuck them while they're down thing so the game honestly doesn't "feel" like a reverse rape game. If you play it normally, you'll only see maledom scenes. No incentive to view female assertive scenes either.

SHRIFT's system is one of my favorites though. You have to have sex with the girls to get their affection maxed out so you can get skill points which you use to make your character stronger.

The most erotic game I've played recently though has to go to be Succubus Reborn. It's a core aspect of the game design and there's no escaping it.

 

[sakua]

The boldfaced quote there was meant to be a bit of a gag (though it is rooted in some truth haha). Our interests are actually pretty much identical! In my personal opinion, it isn't very arousing material if the woman isn't enjoying herself; and agree wholeheartedly with your proposed best method of presenting such. I don't find any of those turnoffs appealing either; and we share the same preference for our RR protagonists. Same with the bit about it counteracting a preference for them to be faithful to said protagonist instead of sleeping around...

Once again, my understanding of Japanese is rudimentary at best; I was simply putting my take out there for consideration. I'll take your translation though- you're the one working with a native speaker.

Regardless, looking forward to this releasing! Is it strange for me to hope we can customize the randomized minions for the edit battles, though? It was a feature I had expected in the Casino game. The randomization is pretty neat in actual gameplay but sometimes you see a combination that really appeals to you, only to pass by her in the Casino game, or in Hagokoro's future situation, obliterate her with some LMB ninjutsu; never to see them again...

I think "Hagokoro" is Japanese word play, that word hasn't specific meaning.
"忍" means Ninja in japanese, and "刃","心" are read as "Ha","Gokoro".
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[Someone92]

There's a few FeMC games where you play as a succubus where that's the case.

If memory serves me right in those game the slain enemies you can fuck were hardly more than health packs, though.

What I like from a gameplay perspective is something unforgiving such as Wolf's Dungeon. Therotically one hit isn't going to kill you, but more often than not you are going to get chain hit into a KO / Game Over. Meijiroido last magic weapon is also a good example for that.

 

[TheUnsaid]

If memory serves me right in those game the slain enemies you can fuck were hardly more than health packs, though.

What I like from a gameplay perspective is something unforgiving such as Wolf's Dungeon. Therotically one hit isn't going to kill you, but more often than not you are going to get chain hit into a KO / Game Over. Meijiroido last magic weapon is also a good example for that.

Still an incentive to see the scenes, and I do remember one of the games by that group restoring mana for engaging in sexual activities.
Wolf's Dungeon is too much for me. Never played Meijiroido as well, but from videos I'm seeing Wolf's Dungeon especially is just traditional defeat rape? Though I guess talking about those games might be a bit off topic.

I think "Hagokoro" is Japanese word play, that word hasn't specific meaning.
"忍" means Ninja in japanese, and "刃","心" are read as "Ha","Gokoro".
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OH? I'll get rid of the english in the title then. Final game is probably just gonna be called Hagokoro in the west if that's the case.