Is it illegal?

[snakefishxxx]

Hello I love Hentai Manga's, Anime's and Games my favorite Genres of Hentai are Milf's, Impregnation, Time Stop and most of all Female Muscle's as for all the other Genres I'm always tolerant and open minded (except for Netorare I fucking hate that shit) to them. As a (low level) artist I don't see Hentai Characters as real people but I can appreciate there amazing erotic art styles as well as there creative (though sometimes questionable) stories that allow characters to do things that would be impossible in real life. With all that out of the way lets get to the actual topic. For years I been searching/trying figure out a question a question that doesn't seem to have a direct answer, is Lolicon and Shotacon illegal? Look as I said I don't consider Hentai characters as real people but I sure as hell don't want to get involve with something that could land me in prison! Every time I try to find the answer I get people who say it is and people who say it isn't it also doesn't help that some of those people are either over sensitive/can't separate fiction from reality or "Possible"/Actual Pedos. So please i'm asking anyone to give me a straight, factual, no bull shit answer to this already. No technicality's, no personal feelings just cold hard irrefutable facts! Once again I want to stress that when comes to Hentai "visually" all I see are shiny butts, shiny breasts and overall well detailed works of art made/used in erotic ways and not people, I would appreciate if people don't treat me as something i'm not. Thank you.

 

[AGamerPassingBy]

Re: Is it illegal?

This is a very baity and flammable topic.
This thread shouldn't have been created on the ULMF's Hentai Games forum.

My answers?

Are actual Shota/Loli Sex illegal?
Religion-wise, Yes.
Health-wise, Yes.
Moral-wise, Yes.
Law-wise, Yes.

Are fictive depictions of Shota/Loli Sex illegal?
Depends on the law of the country you live on.

 

[Soljer13]

Re: Is it illegal?

In some countries, as retarded as it is, it counts as CP.

 

[raska42]

Re: Is it illegal?

Short answer, depends on the country. If you're from the States or Iceland, then it is illegal. Other countries you'll need to check on your own.

 

[autizboyz]

Re: Is it illegal?

Hello I love Hentai Manga's, Anime's and Games my favorite Genres of Hentai are Milf's, Impregnation, Time Stop and most of all Female Muscle's as for all the other Genres I'm always tolerant and open minded (except for Netorare I fucking hate that shit) to them. As a (low level) artist I don't see Hentai Characters as real people but I can appreciate there amazing erotic art styles as well as there creative (though sometimes questionable) stories that allow characters to do things that would be impossible in real life. With all that out of the way lets get to the actual topic. For years I been searching/trying figure out a question a question that doesn't seem to have a direct answer, is Lolicon and Shotacon illegal? Look as I said I don't consider Hentai characters as real people but I sure as hell don't want to get involve with something that could land me in prison! Every time I try to find the answer I get people who say it is and people who say it isn't it also doesn't help that some of those people are either over sensitive/can't separate fiction from reality or "Possible"/Actual Pedos. So please i'm asking anyone to give me a straight, factual, no bull shit answer to this already. No technicality's, no personal feelings just cold hard irrefutable facts! Once again I want to stress that when comes to Hentai "visually" all I see are shiny butts, shiny breasts and overall well detailed works of art made/used in erotic ways and not people, I would appreciate if people don't treat me as something i'm not. Thank you.

Even if loli/shota its a fictional/not real doesnt mean it wont happened in real life, loli/shota and pedophile have the same taste, they both like young boy/girl (by young either its still not legal yet/even worse than that). That is why loli/shota law are made, its strictly to prevent anybody to go on that road.

 

[Wizardcraft]

Re: Is it illegal?

This is a very baity and flammable topic.
This thread shouldn't have been created on the ULMF's Hentai Games forum.

My answers?

Are actual Shota/Loli Sex illegal?
Religion-wise, Yes.
Health-wise, Yes.
Moral-wise, Yes.
Law-wise, Yes.

Are fictive depictions of Shota/Loli Sex illegal?
Depends on the law of the country you live on.

Religion? Not to the catholics imo.
Health? Probably. I'm not a doctor.
Moral? Probably. I'm not a psychiatrist.
Law? Yep. Especially in the US. The laws are actually (at least in my area) more strict now about loli/shota. They consider it cheese pizza now.

 

[Rawr1125]

Re: Is it illegal?

Even if loli/shota its a fictional/not real doesnt mean it wont happened in real life, loli/shota and pedophile have the same taste, they both like young boy/girl (by young either its still not legal yet/even worse than that). That is why loli/shota law are made, its strictly to prevent anybody to go on that road.

What if my taste in lolis is impossible?

Reference you probably remember

http://www.ulmf.org/bbs/showpost.php?p=823433&postcount=959

<.<

 

[dartred]

Re: Is it illegal?

depends where you live. some stats in the US won't bother trying to convict you if you have a good lawyer. some are stricter.

some countries it's outright illegal, even if draw.

what does this have to do with this sub-forum? this isn't a video game related question.

 

[lazycat]

Re: Is it illegal?

Even if loli/shota its a fictional/not real doesnt mean it wont happened in real life, loli/shota and pedophile have the same taste, they both like young boy/girl (by young either its still not legal yet/even worse than that). That is why loli/shota law are made, its strictly to prevent anybody to go on that road.

That sounds like the same argument someone who want to ban violent video game would make, or people saying that homosexuality is a 'disease' that can be cured somehow.

Which, as seen by history, that's not how it work.

There's also the opposite argument, that having an outlet to vent such desire on imaginary space can actually be HELPFUL, since the person can vent out the desire and no actual human being is harmed.

 

[Nimrod]

Re: Is it illegal?

Even if loli/shota its a fictional/not real doesnt mean it wont happened in real life, loli/shota and pedophile have the same taste, they both like young boy/girl (by young either its still not legal yet/even worse than that). That is why loli/shota law are made, its strictly to prevent anybody to go on that road.

Objection!

If someone is watching drawn porn on their computer, it means they are not currently out on the streets harassing children, effectively reducing the amount of children harassed per day!

People don't turn pedophile because they see loli/shota material, they do because of actual real children, thus children should be made illegal to avoid an increase of the pedophile population!

Also if you like seeing videos and pictures of cats, drawn or otherwise, you are an Ailurophile that molest cats on a daily basis, shame on you.

P.S.

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[Nelico]

Re: Is it illegal?

Now we only need a thread about feminism and how abominations (not talking about the h-game kind, talking about tumblr [I hope nobody's offended] ) are underpresented and people could mistake us for the gamefaqs vita board XD

But serious, in most countries it's pizza. Imo it should not be illegal (if only to show what kind of effect legalisation of loli/shota had, IF any effect at all)

Fictional beings in fictional worlds doing fuck...fictional things should not be illegal or the next step would be to forbid the thoughts of things that aren't legal.

 

[Assc0bar]

Re: Is it illegal?

Religion-wise, it was almost officially awwwright for priests themselves for quite a long time. Since the scandals sometimes continue to pop out, seems like still awwwright.

Health-wise, in terms of hentai - totally fine lol. Why fapping on pictures should be considered as something bad?

Moral-wise. Totally fine within the boundaries of your home, or specific community. Some guys/girls may hate you for showing your fap-tastes outside of that.

Law-wise, - sharing technically illegal in USA, Australia and some other counties (in fact noone really gives a flying fuck, until you bring too much attenshion from all that feministick, child-saving and pedohating bullshit, which is often even eating from your taxes).

 

[autizboyz]

Re: Is it illegal?

Objection!

If someone is watching drawn porn on their computer, it means they are not currently out on the streets harassing children, effectively reducing the amount of children harassed per day!

People don't turn pedophile because they see loli/shota material, they do because of actual real children, thus children should be made illegal to avoid an increase of the pedophile population!

Also if you like seeing videos and pictures of cats, drawn or otherwise, you are an Ailurophile that molest cats on a daily basis, shame on you.

P.S.

You must be registered to see the links

Lol chill out all you loli lovers out there, im not saying if all people are going to turn like that. Its possible tho there is a incident in japan about it. You can check that on google, just basing my opinion on the reality here. Human nature are complex when human curious about something they intend to search more more and more about it, in the end when they reach the limit it snap. That snap can turn him/her obsession or give up about it, that obsession can turn either go in the bad way or normal way. The bad way is taking unnecessary road (extreme stuff)

Example drugs, see in this perspective people first do it cuz of curiosity and keep using and using it again and it became a habit and obsessed about it, untill the day that it snap (he/she got poor and got no money to buy it and the pain started), either he/she will do the bad way (like stealing stuff and sell it) or the good way (accepting the painfully from detoxing). Why am i talking about drugs? Cuz its almost the same when people are obsessed about something they can just snap anytime they want and do the unnecessary road, that is why as i said maybe thats the reason the loli law there. And no i am not againts all the loli lover out there its their lifestyle, im just saying that might be the reason why the law was made. And i am terribly sorry if im offended anyone. And i am not trying to make argument or what

There is this thing called curiosity killed the cat​

I am basing on that

 

[moogles]

Re: Is it illegal?

Depending on the country it matters, you can always check google for state/country laws.

For those that don't really know for whatever reason, "technically" loli is allowed in the USA. Please go read "Miller test" in google and the laws of the USA. In fact, America is ONE OF THE FEW COUNTRIES in the world, that even allow it.

Obviously, you can't go to work and watch loli's. Same applies to adult women having sex, you cannot watch that at work. You obviously have to use common sense when "watching pornographic material". You do not go to the library and look at porn, what makes you think looking at lolis would? The matter of fact, why would you look at ANY porn outside of your home?

 

[lazycat]

Re: Is it illegal?

im just saying that might be the reason why the law was made

I'm 99% sure it's NOT the reason.

The real reason? To appear as good guy for the public.

Usually these laws are passed near the election period and these politicians want to look as if they're being 'helpful' to society.
Because if you ever watched Last Week Tonight show at all, you'll know there's far more things they can do to be actually beneficial to society (but get far less recognition, both from their own side and society's own)

 

[blaster]

Re: Is it illegal?

IMO, Who in the right mind would pick on underage children ?
I mean, that's pedophilia for ya.

Just like many other opinion, for any fictional appearance. They may in care-taking of country law as some weirdo with mental disorder can easily arouse by imaginative existence and hope they can find some real cute shit like that else where, which cause them going rampant and commit any crime without any commonsense ..... goddamn pedophile.

Sarcasm aside but No joking, I'm serious. I currently live in country where this creepy news poping up day by days - but I believe those people never even known about these kind of media even exist, They're just sociopath directly right to REAL children.

But for the taste ? I'm pretty much into anything that cute young boy/young girl but not animal-alike and most importantly, that're only fictional things.

You might have seen many people have pure hatred toward anyone with minicon taste(I personally call them that - people who love anything that cute and small, including me maybe ?) So you pop up this kinda question in you mind " Was these fictive things really illegal ? Why some people hate them so much " but - Yes, it is. In a way, as people have different sense of justice. They can judge, like or hate anyone they want but I never hate those people. It's just their right to do so - I'll just mind my own business here that's all I take to roll my eyes out of some dramatic conversation.

tl;dr :: You can love and like what you might - That one not illegal. Some country law just not allow any kind of media involve pornography of underage appearance to be public, even its not real children - This one count as illegal.

Cheers,

PS: My country does filtering out any kind of pornography tho, real people or cartoon included. They hate them like they never making any baby before and they believe all kind of pornography lead to increase the rate of rape & kill incident - most of porn site are blocked of by government (RedTube, PornHub , etc.).

Ya see, people have many different way to think and judge thing, even my government are being so annoyed lol. What we can do is respect what they think, they never gonna change their mindset - just let it be peace among of what we like and hate - then move on.

 

[Pacmanisawesome]

Re: Is it illegal?

Lolicon often does not sexualize children in a realistic way and often fails to portray them as realistic; it's pretty hard not to.......we're not children and the people making lolicon material are not children so they often write them as completely unbelievable or outright unrealistic.


The reason real-life pedophilia is such a horrible thing is purely because of the victim who is being taken advantage of, they have no way of giving informed consent because they are incapable of understanding things like that, it's impossible to have consensual sex with a child because they cannot knowningly consent to sex.




Cartoon depictions of children are not really doing a good job to portray this accurately, people say ''omg 400 year old girls in small bodies are just cop-outs!'' but are they really? If someone knowingly acts like an adult or someone who is at least capable of surpassing the intelligence and maturity of a child does their bodily structure have any bearing on whether or not they're actually children? What children are hurt by having them on screen? None.


There are animes that sexualize corpses, incest, objects, and an endless array of things that would be absolutely taboo in real life. Am I considered a necrophiliac because I watch an anime where zombie girls are being shagged? No, it's an unrealistic cartoon and I understand this much, I'm not going to start fucking corpses by watching these and nine times out of ten no one is going to start fucking children because they watch Prisma Illya or something. The thought of seeing a real life child the same way I'd see a loli in anime is absolutely disgusting to me, and I'm sure the overwhelming majority of people who are okay with Loli feel the same.


Sometimes real pedophiles use lolicon material as a last-ditch effort to get their wank on because they can't do it anywhere else safely, but these are probably not a core audience of the material and they would have been pedophiles regardless of the existence of Lolicon, and the whole ''It's a gateway to escalate their issues'' is a two-way street. For some its an outlet, for others it makes them want to do it more, but choosing to ban loli content in fear of the latter is something I take a bit of a moral issue with.


In the end, the stigma over cartoon children is just a way to avert your gaze from actual problems, with ACTUAL children being exploited in the media, and people seem to ban loli content to give an imaginary pedophile the middle-finger thinking it's solving anything.

 

[stoper]

Re: Is it illegal?

You should have wrote where you're from. I doubt that would've prevented the whole pedophilia discussion, but at least someone could've given you the straight answer you're looking for.

 

[censuur]

Re: Is it illegal?

Because if you ever watched Last Week Tonight show at all

You might want to keep clear of "democrat Fox News" for the obviously implied reasons, if not the fact that they fabricate a lot of bullshit for sensationalism and views, the hypocrisy is quite strong with that crew.

 

[Shakara]

Re: Is it illegal?

as the posters above me mentioned it. check ur law. I checked mine, if no real person is involved u r fine..