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Trapped in the Underdark ~ Out of Character discussion


Re: Trapped in the Underdark ~ Out of Character discussion

Except that you'll note that some of us DID go for a less punishing master. And that we had no idea to judge how strict some of them would be. For example, how were we supposed to guess that a friggin mindflayer or a chaotic evil succubus is one of the less nasty options? Merrium was fairly obvious from the start, sure, which was why I didn't want her to win back during the auction. But others were not so obvious, and when threats of outright corruption or mindfuck are involved, people tend to assume the worst.
 
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For example, how were we supposed to guess that a friggin mindflayer or a chaotic evil succubus is one of the less nasty options?

Paying attention to the rp, for example, The name of this entire rp for clues and then how the characters acted along the road.

threats of outright corruption or mindfuck

Well yeah, you got me. I should'a figured people were squeamish about corruption on the FUCKIN' ULMF are you serious right now? Are you actually telling me 'Oh no, I don't want no corruption and mind fuckery inspired dom thats a bit too extreme to get me interested'
 
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Well yeah, you got me. I should'a figured people were squeamish about corruption on the FUCKIN' ULMF are you serious right now? Are you actually telling me 'Oh no, I don't want no corruption and mind fuckery inspired dom thats a bit too extreme to get me interested'

Not my point. My point is that corruption and mindfuckery is NOT commonly associated with a dom that is, you know, lenient. In my experience, usually it's the other way around.

For someone who expects us to consistently guess your plans and intentions, you're not making them as transparent as you think you do.
 
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For someone who expects us to consistently guess your plans and intentions, you're not making them as transparent as you think you do.

I do that? Interesting. What more can you tell me about myself?

What I did was a simply say: 'Heyyy guys, you may not want to go on defying, threatening to kill and antagonizing some of these npcs, unless you -want- your characters to get into some serious harsh BDSM treatment. Do you want that?'

If you had no idea or felt something was intransparent you should have spoken up OOC, for example when I asked if there were any objections to Merrium. I think I've made enough concessions, but the more I try to accomondate different tastes the more demands I get.
 
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Pervy,

You have several people who are experienced RPers telling you that there have been transparency issues. As has been discussed, not everyone wanted the rough slavebreaker approach, including me personally (the ooc desire for Ventrus over Merrium).

Your PCs have been trying to communicate with you.
 
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What Slime said.

Also, what do you expect those characters to do? Lie down and take it? From an IC standpoint, it'd not fit their behavioral patterns at all. You don't just abruptly switch from defiant to meek like that.
 
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First of all, I want to point out that this is NOT the first time I've run this campaign and while there was discussion about which dom to take, there was no 'OOC I wanted this but IC I picked that'. So I suggest, respectfully and without mockery, like those far less experienced roleplayers I ran this beyond the point we here currently struggle at with, you keep an open mind and don't ever dare to think you've become experienced enough to use experience as an argument to not hesitate, to consider yourself at a point where you, be it as player or DM, can't improve your roleplaying further. Frankly every big post I make I wonder if I couldn't have done it better afterwards and often edit a few bits. Thats how experienced I am.

You've shared your grievances and I got grumpy, now I've calmed down and listened. I will first share mine:

You've written, in part, intentionally or not, characters that are not designed to be enslaved and thats fine, but, as good roleplayers you will know, you have to have some way planned for them to actually follow along with the storyline and this campaigns storyline began with a slave auction. I don't think your characters are not ment for this campaign at all, but I do think you are being coy in giving me any way to work with them, which forces me to experiment.. which in turn you punish, without hesitation, when it doesn't go your way. I don't know you well, I don't know rping on this forum and any hidden etiquette like .. 'corruption= nastiest dom' and frankly, this is not something I can know, but something you ought to realize and be considerate about sharing. Rather than accusing me of being unclear, ask me to clarify. Rather than assuming I intend roleplay interactions to be a certain way, explain how you see these things and see if I agree. Frankly, making assumptions about me is not going to work.. I mean, it might, don't get me wrong.. but you'd be the first of hundreds of players that couldn't predict my storylines.

I'd request you put yourself in my situation. Imagine your character hears an npc taunt them, and be it jokingly, 'Lets not fight, I might kill you'. Or imagine how you'd deal with a character that:
-Doesn't trust anyone by design
-Isn't submissive
-Isn't interested in erotica
-doesn't even approach or touch others on her own.
-the player doesn't do erotic descriptions for unless prompted to.

Ask not yourself how you'd react, you are biased, but ask how you'd react to each others account and if you can come up with anything.. lets call it 'subtle'.

That thought experiment over I'm happy to invite you to suggest a way to proceed.

I think Sophie, Lena and propably Lorelai are at a happy spot. Dasyra and.. apparently, Lily aren't. So I want you to suggest how YOU see a way to fix it and, in consideration for my investment in the campaign, please try to let the arguing rest and proceed right away to the sollutions. Only thing arguing will achieve in the long run is draining my interest in DMing this campaign.
 
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I won't address Lily, because that's CG's character.

Right now, you are challenging the fact that Dasyra said, "I'd rather not fight, I might kill you."

If you think that Dasyra has not been written as an erotic character up to this point, then I feel you have been ignoring what I have actually had her do. Aside from Lena, she has been one of the most sexually forward characters and was giving multiple potential master NPCs their time to shine. I've been writing cooperatively all along and at the same time I have been voicing my preferences in the OOC thread well before we went down the path we have. At the time I felt like I was being ignored and now I feel that again to some extent. At the time it seemed like I was somehow being blamed for mentioning my ooc desires.

In the drow circle scene I was quite into the sex bondage dungeon stuff. I'm into spanking, pet play, and other happy D/s situations. It seemed to me that you were picking up on that. But apparently somewhere on the way, you thought I'd asked for "crank it up to 11, ryona" and I don't feel I've given that impression.

Nor, I feel, should we be playing our PCs as instantly submissive bimbo sluts unless we actually want to do that. The players shouldn't be made to feel bad for playing PCs that don't want to be enslaved, but who, if given a likeable master, would open themselves up to the kink slave experience. Certainly if Dasyra were treated with a grain of respect, it would go a lot further than to beat her up until she's a little sobbing ball. If the master doesn't like her jokes tell her that her mouth can be put to better use or that she'd look much prettier in a gag. Just adjust the story organically, we are supposed to be figuring out where we want to go and a good experience trumps set in stone characters design.

Getting back to the I might kill you line. It could have been more explicit that it wasn't a serious challenge but even then, the NPC response, while good for a villain to take revenge on, isn't the sort of response that will lead to a "happy slave family" scenario.
 
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Okay, I'll try to do my best to clarify here what's my problem. When I said that corruption and mental fuckery doesn't imply a gentle dom is not because of some etiquette or anything. It's because, generally, someone who forcibly warps your mind is probably not a good person. And usually, people like that are not inclined to be gentle. It's a fairly logical connection, to me at least. Perhaps we're simply not thinking along the same lines.

As for Lily, yes she is kinda damaged and not used to intimacy. But she can be lewd given the right push, like during the auction. And she'd open up to the right person. Problem is, Merrium is giving her very mixed and quite frankly alarming signs. Looks far younger than she should be? Check. Switches between friendly and cruel at the drop of a hat, without any early warning signs? Check. Doesn't remember what she was doing during the switch? Check. Willing to use magic to break her? Check. Lily can't really open up to her because every time she's looking at her, she doesn't know if she'll be met with a hug or with humiliation. She suspects that anything she tells Merrium is likely to be used against her now, despite her own memory loss, because the evil one doesn't seem to forget. This is not inviting, this is scary. Rather than help her get over her issues, it's making them worse.

Now, I've got some ideas Lily could try to keep the friendly personality around more, like attempting to push past her, I think justified, apprehension and attempt bonding with Merrium regardless, but that'd be done out of self-preservation, at least at first. The problem is that we're putting two characters with issues of their own, which makes bonding hard enough (but not impossible), then you dumped fuel on the fire by adding a seemingly random risk of ultra-dom emerging to fuck my shit up at a single slip-up, or maybe even on a whim. And from what I've seen so far, there's no real in between, it's an instant switch between two completely different extremes. Even without hang-ups on Lily's part, that's a situation that's giving me a serious "how the fuck do I deal with that" problem that requires careful handling I am not sure I'm capable of, given my lack of social experience.

Anyway. I've rambled a bit again, but the tl;dr version is this: Lily is afraid of the unknown (given how she got fooled before) and of the sudden switches, which are most likely related to whatever it is she doesn't know. And considering what she saw, that can't be anything good. The good Merrium she'd get along with well enough, but right now the only solution to the evil one I've managed to figure out is keeping the halfling pacified somehow (again, not sure how to do that beyond trying to be her friend and praying it works) while researching what is wrong with her and fixing that. Which is a rather lengthy process, I suspect. And that's just assuming that the halfling really is a halfling, and not a fake personality created by some bored, shapeshifting evil entity for shits and giggles. Given the implied magical abilities, not an implausible conclusion.

Honestly, I think this is the core of most, if not all of the issues. You switch between two extremes a lot. First you give us some breathing room by having a character act nicely at first, then when we play our part of not being entirely submissive sluts you skip all the way to harsh punishments. I mean, Hell. Lily didn't embrace Merrium because she was feeling conflicted and wary and she's suddenly about to be branded? I'm sorry, but that feels disproportionate. I didn't want a harsh slavemistress, still don't, but I got outvoted (arguably) and now I find myself feeling like a tap-dancer in a minefield, with harsh punishments for every misstep. Any quick solution to this would require a significant and instant rewrite of either Merrium or Lily, which would be jarring to say the least. A more natural one would take time to implement.

Another potential option would be for evil Merrium to switch tracks and play nice with Lily while nudging her towards becoming more and more lewd by convincing her to try various harmless things on her own and educating (as in actually teaching nicely) her on how sex is fun and maybe she could give "playing a slave" a try (right now evil Merrium is about as subtle as a brick to the face), slowly amping her game up. Meanwhile the good one builds a bond of trust between them, potentially gaining Lily's loyalty. Given the damage already done, it would be tricky to pull off, but once the hard part at the beginning is done I think it could be put on track. Just don't put me in a position where my only options are total submission from get go or being crushed. Assuaging Lily's worries and tempting her with a carrot would crack her shell much faster than the stick. Hell, it could even get her to do much of the cracking.
 
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I can work with about anything, but Lorelai isn't gonna respond well to her basically saying the best way to have her obey, and then have it shown that everything she disliked about Hextorites is gonna be put to use here again. So she's gonna be pro-active about it cus being passive is not her thing.
 
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Alright. so. By what I hear with my reading eyes is that .. 1. yay, you picked up on the dichotomy on the rp I set up with this scene. but..

2. Boo.. I think, to be honest, most of you would've been more into Ventus. Considering that Naira is barely active, are there any objectios to going to that?

Aka, go back to the auctions end and restart with Ventus.

Each Dom has a few specific fetishes they fulfill and is not ment to act as villain to be defeated.. those are a lot worse. As a matter of fact, I inteded for most that didn't 'earn' you at the auction to take on darker hues.

Xirce is pure naughtyness and demon transformation.

The mindflayers are either bimbo or tentacled mindflayer transformation.

The Fungal Queen plant parasites while keeping you mostly the same.

The werewolf.. take a guess.

And the Orc.. bukkake and shamanistic breeder magic.

Ventus, finally , is ment as actually a pretty tragic character, Though I wont tell more she wants devotion, loyalty, and, perhaps over time, romantic feelings(I planned other undead if someone was unsatisfied with her physically.
Basically and don't read if you don't like spoilers, she is an exemplary follower of Evening Glory, with a total conviction that undeath are superior. She wouldn't kill you.. but lets say that you wont exactly stay dead if a mission of hers is to deadly. (which dom you chose would also influence the missions to some degree.

Either way.

I'll hold my Ic responses until this is solved, so can I get feedback from all, cause I'm starting to feel like you'd more prefer Ventus, that my roleplay isn't the problem.. but the characters I present which you thought you want but actually don't quite want?
 
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I am fine playing with Ventus if everyone wants to switch. I imagine she and Lorelai would get along pretty easily even if they have some disagreements on the appropriateness of forced reanimation.

I mean, I can work with what we got here now if not, but I get the sense that Lillith and Lorelai will never get along. Which probably will mean a lot of passive aggresive strategems to undermine her position and authority without being able to be targetted herself until she can find a diffrent trainer and get herself transferred to them. Maybe Vanderghast or an alchemist or something. Someone has to be making these potions after all.
 
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Yeah, the problem with Lili is I designed her to be susceptible to carrots and averse to sticks. Merrium, perhaps, is not the best character for that.

Ventus she'd get along with. Perhaps her devotion and loyalty would be slow to mature, but as long as she manages to find some common ground she could warm up well enough. I suspect she'd likely be the most compatible owner.

I do not object to switching to Ventus. In fact, I'd rather go with her.
 
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damn, that mindflayer sound cool. I mean, every slaver is special in its own way, im sure than all will get fun with any choice which will be Ventus.
 
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Considering that Naira is barely active

For what it's worth, the reason I haven't responded is because Vanderghast's last response seemed almost entirely directed towards Dasyra, and I didn't feel I had a whole lot to work with. I'm not even positive if he answered Sophie's question? It sorta sounded like he did but there was emphasis that it was directed towards Dasyra and her kill comment. The only thing I saw for Sophie was silent chain pulls. I was sorta just waiting until I had something more to respond towards.
 
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Hmnn well we spoke in pm @Naira and I don't want to make you unhappy but.. democracy 'n stuff. I rather have one dom all enjoy than having to split up everything myself..
 
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I'm personally fine with things as they are at the moment with Lena. You caught me off guard with how things have turned out thus far actually, in a good way. :3

Though honestly speaking now, I can really work with anything, and usually make the best of it. Of the auctioneers the only one that I didn't really want to have Lena be forced to smut was the wolf man, but that's more just because that doesn't tickle my fancy as much as Lena, a herm, getting smutted by the female auctioneers. To me, it seems a bit of a hassle to retcon things back, but that's just me. I haven't really been keeping up as much with the OOC thread, so I'm not entirely sure what the problem here is.
 
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Oh it is a hassle, but if three players feel uncomfortable and are gonna respond grumpily I'm quickly gonna not want to fluff about with this anymore. Its amusing, really, the community wants really messed up stuff, but in a nice way, by what I gander so far.
 
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If you're willing to retcon to Ventus, I don't mind. Especially if you are determined to have the current NPCs at Merrium's estate continue with their attitudes.

There were a lot of things that were interesting with the halfling and her servants, but if there aren't any carrots, only sticks, then yeah, I think we want Ventus.
 
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I rather hate using this phrase, but I'm just playing the character.

She tried to give a way for this to transition smoothly but had it thrown in her face, so now it's mutual hardball. She can't just outright lash out and ram her mace hilt where the sun doesn't shine on Lillith cus it'll end badly for everyone else. So she needs to be subtle. Lillith doesn;t wanna work with her, so she;s gonna work around her.
 
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