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No issue with that honestly, but when you're dealing with a situation like this, the angles play an important role. And Radius. Since he's 20ft ahead, Ventus can get in melee and maintain in the aura.
No issue with that honestly, but when you're dealing with a situation like this, the angles play an important role. And Radius. Since he's 20ft ahead, Ventus can get in melee and maintain in the aura.
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Yeah I know, I just spent so much time deliberating the enemies ( I knew a final boss from way back when creating this setting, but not the goons) that I rushed ahead when I knew what they'd be. ^^
Yeah I know, I just spent so much time deliberating the enemies ( I knew a final boss from way back when creating this setting, but not the goons) that I rushed ahead when I knew what they'd be. ^^
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It sounds a lot like someone from one of the last books wizards pushed out. Big fan of that one frankly. Besides why it was made, I mean.
Also yey Desecrate. If only I had a skeleton who could carry that damn altar for me.
It sounds a lot like someone from one of the last books wizards pushed out. Big fan of that one frankly. Besides why it was made, I mean.
Also yey Desecrate. If only I had a skeleton who could carry that damn altar for me.
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Who and what now? I've been avoiding wizards because theres still no big we're sorry we fucked it up letter for 4th edition, though Through the Mists at least puts me in a conciliatory mood right now.
Who and what now? I've been avoiding wizards because theres still no big we're sorry we fucked it up letter for 4th edition, though Through the Mists at least puts me in a conciliatory mood right now.
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Elder Evils. It was a sort of a sequel to their big villain book they set out, containing 10? I think it was 10, world ending cthulu style monsters and such. One of which is literally well... What Ventus said she was fighting basically.
They made the book so you could blow up your campaign world and ready it for fourth edition. Was the last 3,5 book they made. That's the only reason it irks me cus it's otherwise reasonably well made, though it suffered from one of the classic pitfalls of designing lategame monsters most people fall into in dnd it seems. Piling on a fuck ton of immunities and big numbers but rarely considering the larger picture.
But the one similar to this situation didn't quite have that problem. It was a hell of an interesting nightmare. I actually sorta used it as a basis for a region in a freeform rp I'm running on SHC.
Elder Evils. It was a sort of a sequel to their big villain book they set out, containing 10? I think it was 10, world ending cthulu style monsters and such. One of which is literally well... What Ventus said she was fighting basically.
They made the book so you could blow up your campaign world and ready it for fourth edition. Was the last 3,5 book they made. That's the only reason it irks me cus it's otherwise reasonably well made, though it suffered from one of the classic pitfalls of designing lategame monsters most people fall into in dnd it seems. Piling on a fuck ton of immunities and big numbers but rarely considering the larger picture.
But the one similar to this situation didn't quite have that problem. It was a hell of an interesting nightmare. I actually sorta used it as a basis for a region in a freeform rp I'm running on SHC.
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Ragnorra the mother of monsters. You mean the last book released for 3.5 I think it was very good, propably in my top 3 despite its small size. I never needed a nuke the world button, franky. I always got along with the players that stayed (doing online campaigns mainly) To have things peeter out into a happy ending, you gain a.. feeling for the halflife of a campaign if you do this as long as me. Granted, with like 2-3 dedicated folks, like right here, you can keep going for YEARS, just hard to find that.
I'm not telling you if you are right or wrong though.
I think what they really got right was the elder evil sign stuff and the 'fuck you you don't get to simply pray this one away' Some of the actual evils were underwhelming, but thats no shocker with a list of ten, but I think a bunch of them, like Atropus and yeah, Ragnorra, were pretty neat, just because, if you wanna go with 'evil space meteor crash hits your planet' Why not make it pile on the 'by the way, meteor is sentient and coming after all of you, have fun'. Atropus was just basically, 'hey you want undead? Heck yeah!' While Ragnorra flipped the table on classical campaigning and was like 'Hey who here likes positive energy? Ok! Who here likes Hellstar Remina?!'(Definitly using that one here you can tell) .. I guess I kinda like Lymic too thinking about it, obviously that one wouldn't fly with Ventus ice-powers.
Oh and then there was the giant middle finger DM's got in form of Pandorym...
SHC?
Anyway, yeah, Elder Evils rules, in my top 3 at the bottom, with ToM and HoH, honorable mentions to Ghostwalk, if only because I used it to literally counter a TPK.
This last sentence must sound so confusing to anyone not a D&D nerd.
Ragnorra the mother of monsters. You mean the last book released for 3.5 I think it was very good, propably in my top 3 despite its small size. I never needed a nuke the world button, franky. I always got along with the players that stayed (doing online campaigns mainly) To have things peeter out into a happy ending, you gain a.. feeling for the halflife of a campaign if you do this as long as me. Granted, with like 2-3 dedicated folks, like right here, you can keep going for YEARS, just hard to find that.
I'm not telling you if you are right or wrong though.
I think what they really got right was the elder evil sign stuff and the 'fuck you you don't get to simply pray this one away' Some of the actual evils were underwhelming, but thats no shocker with a list of ten, but I think a bunch of them, like Atropus and yeah, Ragnorra, were pretty neat, just because, if you wanna go with 'evil space meteor crash hits your planet' Why not make it pile on the 'by the way, meteor is sentient and coming after all of you, have fun'. Atropus was just basically, 'hey you want undead? Heck yeah!' While Ragnorra flipped the table on classical campaigning and was like 'Hey who here likes positive energy? Ok! Who here likes Hellstar Remina?!'(Definitly using that one here you can tell) .. I guess I kinda like Lymic too thinking about it, obviously that one wouldn't fly with Ventus ice-powers.
Oh and then there was the giant middle finger DM's got in form of Pandorym...
SHC?
Anyway, yeah, Elder Evils rules, in my top 3 at the bottom, with ToM and HoH, honorable mentions to Ghostwalk, if only because I used it to literally counter a TPK.
This last sentence must sound so confusing to anyone not a D&D nerd.
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Special Hell Chat. It's a chat program some of us on the forum use.
Yeah I liked Ragnorra, Atropus, Llymic and Sertrous myself. Pandorym I got some use of too mind, but I've been fond of psionics personally. Plus the deep amusement of a planet sized sentient Sphere of Annhilation.
I liked the first for many reasons, including the ones you said but also because her combat is way more like how I tend to run significant encounters. I generally prefer to use slightly weaker monsters than I could run encounters with a lot of either minions or trap features.
Atropus I think mighta been a touch too easy mind you. But that's the fault of undead being so common that it's very easy to counter them if you have any warning, and Atropus kinda puts on the 5000 mile neon sign of undead are coming.
Llymic I'm very fond of but I always kinda found the Far Plane interesting. Also it wears it's Lovecraft influence obviously on it's sleeve, so I'm pretty happy with it.
Sertrous interests me for a few reasons. They're a qlippoth for one, (though they called them something else in 3.5. Obyrith I think?) and I remember back when there was no Good or Evil in dnd and just Law and Chaos which they were part of. But more importantly they... Really didn't do anything wrong except kinda ruin the gods parade by being honest. Yeah he's a kinda evil dick, sure, but his primary goal isn't really an evil one.
Also I'm a sucker for tesserects, yuan-ti, mariliths, Dervish's and that summony cleric prestige so it sorta hits ALL the marks for me. And I really like Sertrous' design.
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Yeah I liked Ragnorra, Atropus, Llymic and Sertrous myself. Pandorym I got some use of too mind, but I've been fond of psionics personally. Plus the deep amusement of a planet sized sentient Sphere of Annhilation.
I liked the first for many reasons, including the ones you said but also because her combat is way more like how I tend to run significant encounters. I generally prefer to use slightly weaker monsters than I could run encounters with a lot of either minions or trap features.
Atropus I think mighta been a touch too easy mind you. But that's the fault of undead being so common that it's very easy to counter them if you have any warning, and Atropus kinda puts on the 5000 mile neon sign of undead are coming.
Llymic I'm very fond of but I always kinda found the Far Plane interesting. Also it wears it's Lovecraft influence obviously on it's sleeve, so I'm pretty happy with it.
Sertrous interests me for a few reasons. They're a qlippoth for one, (though they called them something else in 3.5. Obyrith I think?) and I remember back when there was no Good or Evil in dnd and just Law and Chaos which they were part of. But more importantly they... Really didn't do anything wrong except kinda ruin the gods parade by being honest. Yeah he's a kinda evil dick, sure, but his primary goal isn't really an evil one.
Also I'm a sucker for tesserects, yuan-ti, mariliths, Dervish's and that summony cleric prestige so it sorta hits ALL the marks for me. And I really like Sertrous' design.
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oh I see, never been there, figured its an rp chat.. can be fun, but I prefer the forum method as I'm a busy bird and like working on for example ma game in between.. then again. perhaps I could try some chatting and rpying sometimes.
Boss encounters, frankly, you have to run depending on your group. Last one I did had three stages and was lotsa work but rewarding.^^
I agree with the atropus warning, also, if you have a mixed party, the wizard gone lich or Dread necromancer in your group will be like.. 'ok, soooo?'
Father Llymic or how you spell him was just limited powerwise, else interesting.
Oh Sertrous was an obyrith? Yeah those are neat. I agree. This to me is what D&D should be about, where CE is not necessarily about whose the biggest prick, but can also be 'oh they're scientists and researches, just.. yeah, twisting your very being is their research. Plus, if you understand their history you understand all alignments proper, their strengths and weaknesses, for in obyrith history it is shown that while law is order, it is also inaction. Few people know that but the ones that first waged war on evil was no noble paladin but the Chaotic Good forces that defeated the Obyrith by pushing them to the brink, making them explode themselfs by creating the demon footsoldiers that turned on them.
I fondly recall my longest running one on one actually featuring the player taking on obyrith traits and collecting a bunch of them. Tentacle sex may have been involved. *chuckles*
Either way. going for an Underdark, not a planar inspired campaign, plus Ventus is more focused on positive vs negative energy, the Succubus would have delved into planar stuff, infact, that staff she wanted to buy from Ventus? That was to pay off Obox Ob but would have ended up putting you on exactly the path you are on now, with Ventus as a dangerous chance encounter next. ^^
Same obviously for the Mushroom queen who was actually a servant of Zuggtmoyv who, in my book, plays like an Obyrith anyway. She'd have literally wanted the staff you nabbed for herself.
oh I see, never been there, figured its an rp chat.. can be fun, but I prefer the forum method as I'm a busy bird and like working on for example ma game in between.. then again. perhaps I could try some chatting and rpying sometimes.
Boss encounters, frankly, you have to run depending on your group. Last one I did had three stages and was lotsa work but rewarding.^^
I agree with the atropus warning, also, if you have a mixed party, the wizard gone lich or Dread necromancer in your group will be like.. 'ok, soooo?'
Father Llymic or how you spell him was just limited powerwise, else interesting.
Oh Sertrous was an obyrith? Yeah those are neat. I agree. This to me is what D&D should be about, where CE is not necessarily about whose the biggest prick, but can also be 'oh they're scientists and researches, just.. yeah, twisting your very being is their research. Plus, if you understand their history you understand all alignments proper, their strengths and weaknesses, for in obyrith history it is shown that while law is order, it is also inaction. Few people know that but the ones that first waged war on evil was no noble paladin but the Chaotic Good forces that defeated the Obyrith by pushing them to the brink, making them explode themselfs by creating the demon footsoldiers that turned on them.
I fondly recall my longest running one on one actually featuring the player taking on obyrith traits and collecting a bunch of them. Tentacle sex may have been involved. *chuckles*
Either way. going for an Underdark, not a planar inspired campaign, plus Ventus is more focused on positive vs negative energy, the Succubus would have delved into planar stuff, infact, that staff she wanted to buy from Ventus? That was to pay off Obox Ob but would have ended up putting you on exactly the path you are on now, with Ventus as a dangerous chance encounter next. ^^
Same obviously for the Mushroom queen who was actually a servant of Zuggtmoyv who, in my book, plays like an Obyrith anyway. She'd have literally wanted the staff you nabbed for herself.
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Thats the way the rp snuggles. to be fair, necromancers rarely work well in erotic settings, but Ironically perhaps, Ventus is an undead that despises careless undead creation, more to be revealed through rp.
Thats the way the rp snuggles. to be fair, necromancers rarely work well in erotic settings, but Ironically perhaps, Ventus is an undead that despises careless undead creation, more to be revealed through rp.
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Well certainly, but it's also probably the sorta thing that shoulda been said before the okay was given. That or we figure out a way to make the thing work since Lorelai can't make sentient undead for several levels. Sorta makes a lot of my choices not work. Plus religion she can't make unwilling sentient undead. Get's awkward.
Well certainly, but it's also probably the sorta thing that shoulda been said before the okay was given
. That or we figure out a way to make the thing work since Lorelai can't make sentient undead for several levels. Sorta makes a lot of my choices not work. Plus religion she can't make unwilling sentient undead. Get's awkward.
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Pretty sure I was like 'are you sure she fits', for the scarred leg bits alone. Beyond that, I assumed you'd figure out that creating a horde of rotting undead to battle sexy monster times is not conductive to erotic roleplay on your own.
Pretty sure I was like 'are you sure she fits', for the scarred leg bits alone. Beyond that, I assumed you'd figure out that creating a horde of rotting undead to battle sexy monster times is not conductive to erotic roleplay on your own.
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The scarred bit yes, but those are fixable. Just... Not by her. Too low level to cast Regenerate. Though this positive energy aura might do it? As for rotting undead and such, having them rotting would actually defy her main reason to have them, to study functioning anatomy. She takes time and pains to make them as life like as possible. Given the opportunity anyways. She'd probably favor bloody skeletons for combat use, since they're more efficient.
And well, one could simply rehash them out somehow. Like ectoplasmic skeletons or something so there's a sort of body there or something. Sorta like how Lyra isn't rotting everywhere.
The scarred bit yes, but those are fixable. Just... Not by her. Too low level to cast Regenerate. Though this positive energy aura might do it? As for rotting undead and such, having them rotting would actually defy her main reason to have them, to study functioning anatomy. She takes time and pains to make them as life like as possible. Given the opportunity anyways. She'd probably favor bloody skeletons for combat use, since they're more efficient.
And well, one could simply rehash them out somehow. Like ectoplasmic skeletons or something so there's a sort of body there or something. Sorta like how Lyra isn't rotting everywhere.
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We shall see.
Ventus has less of a problem with that, its simple a philosophical issue based on Evening Glory.
Well, Ventus as a matter of fact does have skeletons for the frontlines too, as it is unavoidable against the positive energy foes.
Either way. Perhaps you can convince Ventus. If you don't want to put the effort in that, better to find another path.
We shall see.
Ventus has less of a problem with that, its simple a philosophical issue based on Evening Glory.
Well, Ventus as a matter of fact does have skeletons for the frontlines too, as it is unavoidable against the positive energy foes.
Either way. Perhaps you can convince Ventus. If you don't want to put the effort in that, better to find another path.
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You can use it but unless you have precise shot theres a -4 penalty for shooting into melee, which adding in the manyshot penalty, gets tricky to hit things with slowly.
You can use it but unless you have precise shot theres a -4 penalty for shooting into melee, which adding in the manyshot penalty, gets tricky to hit things with slowly.
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She has Preciseshot, so she is good. Long as she keeps the angle, she won't have any issues from soft cover.
I myself have soft cover from Ventus, giving Lorelai +4 ac and can't be aoo'd for casting from things on the other side of Ventus.
She has Preciseshot, so she is good. Long as she keeps the angle, she won't have any issues from soft cover.
I myself have soft cover from Ventus, giving Lorelai +4 ac and can't be aoo'd for casting from things on the other side of Ventus.