ACT Enty Active [Zell23] Forest of the Blue Skin

[Cerneu]

Re: Zell23 game "Forest of the Blue Skin"

You could say that they were... monster girls *ba dum tss*

You completely missed the point, so I'll make it simple:

MGQ "monster girls" were more like "eldritch abomination girls". It made me nauseous most of the time playing it.

>Text based
Obviously it was story driven visual novel with some fighting

So that's one point for FoBS, coz there's a deluge of hentai VN's.

>Shota
Totally different from FoBS shota. :V

FoBS main character looks older to me. Not by much, but enough to make it borderline.

>submissive/"get raped"
The same way as in FoBS :V :V

Absolutely not. MGQ main character was a whiny crybaby.

>failure porn
Who told you to fap to all 256 entries lol, that's not competition.

You were the one who brought up that number, as if quantity mattered over quality. Speaking of quality, FoBS wins here too.

>censored
As is FoBS, you just can't see it at this resolution. Zell would have serious problems if his works weren't "censored".

And it turns out that Zell managed to make this work for him.

>CG
I don't think we have doujinshi circle that would employ animations on this scale, would be neat though.

I, and many others, prefer pixel art games.

>RPG adventure game
Paradox definitely suffers from being typical jrpg, Japanese love their grind but that's not a problem with few mins in Cheat Engine.

So... you have to hack/cheat at the game to make it enjoyable? And this is supposed to be a good thing?

>Green text
Fail *commits sudoku*

I'll give you this one.

 

[redx]

Re: Zell23 game "Forest of the Blue Skin"

i love that MGQ doesn't just have succubus angels and elfs. and not just normal girls with semi-furry features.

with all that said Eva 10/10 bestgirl.

 

[B00marrows]

Re: Zell23 game "Forest of the Blue Skin"

Looks like i knobbed a nerve, let me settle the dust:

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>Text based
-If i wanted to read, i would read a book. (I dont read books)

>Shota
>submissive/"get raped"
-Never said these where positives for FOBS.
BUT there is a theory that the protagonist in this game isnt as passive as you think.

>failure porn
-What? if there is porn there you are ment to explore it.
Having to die 1 by 1 to each monster just to actually get the porn is anti-game logic.

>censored
This is where FOBS gets a pass, as you said it is "censored" but due to the pixalized style its build in to the art making it non-existant.

>CG
Hate still CG. Pixel animations get 2 points against it.

>RPG adventure game
Cheat Engine.... das called cheatin. you cheater. (I use cheat engine on bad games... like that game... sorry)

*commits sudoku* AKA that games key to porn, where the "game" in that?

Nothing against you or what you like, for me personally this games has a good few points over that game. Especially in the "game" part.

Anyway, waiting patiently for foll results and Zell's reaction/comments to it.

 

[Scrapman]

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Don't matter what you guys say. Monster girl quest had an amazing story for a visual novel. (Few visual novels compare to it in story imo).


ANd the game definitely had some nasty feel moments.

 

[TouchFluffyTail]

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[Scrapman]

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[Briger]

Re: Zell23 game "Forest of the Blue Skin"

with all that said Eva 10/10 bestgirl.

that's just one of the reasons I love this

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there are others but hey do they really matter when it comes to Eva?

 

[B00marrows]

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The only way i could be any calmer is if i had a slimegirl cooling my dick.
That said, you of all people should have realised i was not even slightly angry.

 

[Stubborn Chocolate]

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[redx]

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that's just one of the reasons I love this

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there are others but hey do they really matter when it comes to Eva?

i was so happy when that was translated into English.

 

[Abandonedacc]

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Whoa what happened here, it was all memes and shitposting until someone mentioned paradox

Too bad that the majority of those over-emphasize the "monster" part of monster girls, to the point of making me physically ill.

This is why I prefer Zell23's game. Anytime.

Well glueled animals parts to human its in fact the true "monster grill" or even better just monsters all people know and add "variety" to the game.
at least they are not angel abominatios....

 

[devvah]

Re: Zell23 game "Forest of the Blue Skin"

You completely missed the point, so I'll make it simple:

MGQ "monster girls" were more like "eldritch abomination girls". It made me nauseous most of the time playing it.

<---The joke | You--->

Spoiler

So that's one point for FoBS, coz there's a deluge of hentai VN's.

Yeah, how many of them are about monster girls with good story? How many of monster girl games existed before MGQ? Not much, extremely niche stuff that was popularized by good story.

Absolutely not. MGQ main character was a whiny crybaby.

For first part, then reality hit him and character development happened.

You were the one who brought up that number, as if quantity mattered over quality. Speaking of quality, FoBS wins here too.

Even if someone considers 10-20% of MGQ gallery good then it's still bigger than what FoBS currently have.

And it turns out that Zell managed to make this work for him.

It's not like he had choice, pixel art with bonus censorship gets bashed hard.

So... you have to hack/cheat at the game to make it enjoyable? And this is supposed to be a good thing?

No, it's just cultural difference between Asia where grind is accepted norm and West where it's despised beside MMOs.
I don't have that kind of time to grind every job, girl affection and lvls so I simply fasten it.

Looks like i knobbed a nerve, let me settle the dust:

You didn't, you just raised few questionable points.
Other than that you're just opposite kind of player, for me if there's no story it doesn't matter how genius gameplay is, I will forget everything about it within a week and not care any more since there's nothing to go back to.

Let's hope that FoBS will get some story.

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BUT there is a theory that the protagonist in this game isnt as passive as you think.

There's also theory that earth is flat. :V

>failure porn
-What? if there is porn there you are ment to explore it.
Having to die 1 by 1 to each monster just to actually get the porn is anti-game logic.

In the story Luka has clear goal which consist of going forward and getting raped to death or being kept as food source obviously contradicts this goal.
There isn't much problem with getting to see scenes since all you have to do is press give up and then after end you can just replay battle.

>RPG adventure game
Cheat Engine.... das called cheatin. you cheater. (I use cheat engine on bad games... like that game... sorry)

As I said above, I can't afford to grind shit for few hundred girls but Japanese like that.

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MGQ heavy spoilers

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[B00marrows]

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popularized

Good choice of wording.

Other than that you're just opposite kind of player, for me if there's no story it doesn't matter how genius gameplay is, I will forget everything about it within a week and not care any more since there's nothing to go back to.

True. For me its gameplay that makes a game.
A story is not only a one time thing, being its the same if you do it again, it also requires me to pay attention to stuff im more than likely ot interested in.
Its useually requires text, whish requires translation and it sometimes can completely miss the mark for some.

Let's hope that FoBS will get some story.

I dunno, a story could ruin the mystery, exploration, learning curve and
"arcade" feeling of the game.
Would also more than likely require translation as it would likely contain text, not fun.

There's also theory that earth is flat. :V

That jokes older than me, DAD.
Get out, HAHAHA!

In the story Luka has clear goal which consist of going forward and getting raped to death or being kept as food source obviously contradicts this goal.
There isn't much problem with getting to see scenes since all you have to do is press give up and then after end you can just replay battle.

"Lose porn" will always be a failure in design to me, the basic fundamental of a game is useually rewards after success, progression and drive.
Forcing you to die/fail for the goods is not only contradictive to a "game" but also fails on the "fun" part for me, this is how I see it.

 

[ɹǝʞoſ]

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"Lose porn" will always be a failure in design to me, the basic fundamental of a game is useually rewards after success, progression and drive.
Forcing you to die/fail for the goods is not only contradictive to a "game" but also fails on the "fun" part for me, this is how I see it.

That's because in this case, your reward for defeating the enemy is not an H-scene but instead to be able to carry on playing. Besides if a game focuses on reverse rape and you're playing a male character, that kind of limits the game's options in terms of how the H-scene gets displayed.

Let's take vore as an example. How would you justify putting an H-scene in which you die anywhere else than as a result of a game-over (in MGQ's case, losing the battle)? Dying in the H-scene but being able to carry on with the story would force for scenario changes which could make the story more complex than it needs to be.
There are very few ways of justifying a vore scene that ain't a game over. From other games I've seen, they would be either time-travel upon death (the hero is saved by some third party and goes back in time but then you'd have to re-do the fight or else it wouldn't make sense so that doesn't solve the problem anyway) or changing the main character. But you can see how this would pretty easily mess up the story when you could simply have a Game-over vore scene instead.

This whole problem applies to any H-scene that leads to the main character not being able to carry on his quest like before (such as situations like being turned into a slave, becoming mind-broken, dying, vore, etc.).

And this is also why Zell makes vore an instant game-over in his game. You can't exactly have the main character get away from the vore monsters after cumming once like he does with most others because justifying being eaten and dissolved and then carrying on with the story is waaaay too hard when a simple game-over and restart does the trick. Let that sink in. You've just been eaten. In other words, YOU'RE DEAD. When you're dead in a game, you usually lose. Game-over.

As such, I don't think reverse-rape H-scene upon losing is bad game design per say but rather game design that is forced because of common sense. Just as a parallel, rape and reverse-rape aren't exactly on the same realm as vanilla sex. Rape is by definition sex against someone's will and thus not something one should normally seek. As such it makes complete sense for rape to be associated with losing when you have it in a game.

 

[redx]

Re: Zell23 game "Forest of the Blue Skin"

<---The joke | You--->

Spoiler

Yeah, how many of them are about monster girls with good story? How many of monster girl games existed before MGQ? Not much, extremely niche stuff that was popularized by good story.


For first part, then reality hit him and character development happened.


Even if someone considers 10-20% of MGQ gallery good then it's still bigger than what FoBS currently have.


It's not like he had choice, pixel art with bonus censorship gets bashed hard.


No, it's just cultural difference between Asia where grind is accepted norm and West where it's despised beside MMOs.
I don't have that kind of time to grind every job, girl affection and lvls so I simply fasten it.

You didn't, you just raised few questionable points.
Other than that you're just opposite kind of player, for me if there's no story it doesn't matter how genius gameplay is, I will forget everything about it within a week and not care any more since there's nothing to go back to.

Let's hope that FoBS will get some story.

Spoiler

There's also theory that earth is flat. :V

In the story Luka has clear goal which consist of going forward and getting raped to death or being kept as food source obviously contradicts this goal.
There isn't much problem with getting to see scenes since all you have to do is press give up and then after end you can just replay battle.

As I said above, I can't afford to grind shit for few hundred girls but Japanese like that.

Spoiler

MGQ heavy spoilers

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wait didn't they give MGQ lore about his deaths and how he keeps getting revived or something or other. MGQ-P does play with dimensions and time.


wonder when the admins are gonna wave the off topic flag.

 

[B00marrows]

Re: Zell23 game "Forest of the Blue Skin"

That's because in this case, your reward for defeating the enemy is not an H-scene but instead to be able to carry on playing.

Yes, this is where Zell'ss game wins me over.
There may be instant deaths/lose porn but there is actual porn beyond it. Once you "beat" these things you gain access to other areas/monsters for example.

I agree with your points, but i also dont like Vore or Reverse rape.
They both fail in my idea of gameplay, "submission" is failure and is anti gaming. But thats me, not everyone.

A common thing for "living" a vore situation is to be thrown back up, but as you said once you have cum your pretty much dead. You could claim that you are thrown back up later ETC...But this is a failure state, you have failed the game and i dont find vore sexual so thats not porn for me. XD
There will likely be a way to suceed against the water tiger soon, like the ???2.

wonder when the admins are gonna wave the off topic flag.

We are talking about monstergirls and gameplay in a monstergirl game thread. Whats off topic here?

 

[Papanomics]

Re: Zell23 game "Forest of the Blue Skin"

Seems to be some sort of MGQ v. FoBs shit going around. Anyone notice the new post with apparently some sort of slot machine?

 

[B00marrows]

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Seems to be some sort of MGQ v. FoBs shit going around. Anyone notice the new post with apparently some sort of slot machine?

Discussion = shit.

Yes we notice, like a whole day ago...
for anyone elce whos a whole day behind...

 

[RadeonX1950]

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In case anyone's still interested what program Zell using to make his game, it's Action/Indie Game Maker by Enterbrain with Coderium Sound Engine 5.21.

 

[AGamerPassingBy]

Re: Zell23 game "Forest of the Blue Skin"

I hope i didn't start another debate war with this, but heck, here goes nothing!

In my opinion, MGQ is a good Interactive Visual Novel, but not a good Monstergirl game as a whole.

Once again a disclaimer, that was simply my PERSONAL opinion, please excuse me. >_<