blackraven1425
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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: SOPA, PIPA, MEGAUPLOAD, AND THE FUTURE OF THE FORUMS
On top of that, you're saying that it's like one person in a bike shop stealing bikes. That's a bad analogy. The real analogy is that you have 20 employees of the bike shop, all of whom talk about how they steal bikes on the regular, and asking others for help in stealing bikes, and talking bout how half the bikes they buy from customers are stolen, and putting it all down in writing. That's definitely grounds for arresting everyone at the business and shutting it down.
That is patently wrong. The first part, regarding hashed files, is debatable, and will be argued to death in court. The second part, where they willfully committed infringement via company emails, makes the company liable. If you don't realize this now, know that there is no such thing as personal email in a company. It's all that company's email, and by the very nature of having large numbers of the top executives sharing files and helping each other find them, they subjected themselves to this information becoming public under the corporation's name. These are internal emails to MU, and reflect directly on the company when all of the officers are involved in helping each other find episodes of copyrighted material. You literally cannot separate the actions of the officers via company email that "are" and "are not" the responsibility of MU.Thing is, despite what megaupload personnel did in their private time, megaupload as a corporation broke no laws.
In leaving copyrighted documents on their file sharing services they broke no laws as the owners of said files (the people that legitimately owned them) should still be able to access the products they own.
You don't seem to understand this. If my email address is [email protected], when the feds come in to search due to allegations of privacy, there's no such thing as a private email at that address. It belongs to MegaUpload. Anything done at that address is fair game, as evidence of copyright infringement can be found in emails, and it is a valid place to search for evidence during investigations of nearly any systemic problems within a company, given the tendency of people to fuck up royally and use company email to communicate that they're doing things illegally.As for the internal emails, those are private and not corporate, if an employee of a bike shop steal a bike then should the entire company be shut down because it was indirectly involved in the theft of the property is deals in? ridiculous, especially since megaupload got shut down entirely without so much as a conviction. Not to mention private emails under these circumstances should be considered illegal evidence as beyond that illegal evidence they don't seem to have any grounds for procuring private documentation, you can't search someone's house without a warrant and then use what you find to get a warrant after all.
On top of that, you're saying that it's like one person in a bike shop stealing bikes. That's a bad analogy. The real analogy is that you have 20 employees of the bike shop, all of whom talk about how they steal bikes on the regular, and asking others for help in stealing bikes, and talking bout how half the bikes they buy from customers are stolen, and putting it all down in writing. That's definitely grounds for arresting everyone at the business and shutting it down.
They need to make a show of it, because it's being used as a play in this debate - they're spinning these people as pirates, and attaching SOPA/PIPA detractors to them. If you have a problem with what the US is doing, realize that Hong Kong and New Zealand cooperated, among a few other nations. Blame them; the US actually performed no enforcement actions itself.We've seen U.S officials invade other countries, invade other countries to assassinate unknown individuals, dump their remains in the ocean and get away with it simply by claiming it was a wanted terrorist and now we have them shutting down international business and arresting its employee's, no court order or normal arrest, they actually went with a full scale police force, helicopters included for the executives of an internet company with no criminal or violent past and all this excessive force without any kind of conviction or solid evidence.
They didn't break any laws in this case. As an aside, there is no such thing as international law, either.Just like you rallied against SOPA, it's past time you rallied against your own government breaking hundreds of international laws casually (heck, I barely mentioned the tip of the iceberg) and going directly against your own constitution without any sort of valid excuse.