(Nutaku) Milenium War Aigis (English Version)

[broken_wings]

Re: (Nutaku) Milenium War Aigis (English Version)

@exkale,
Thanks for the link and info.
Didn't really think about awakening for the units even though I have for all other types. Granted several that are mentioned we don't have yet.


@akoss
I was mainly talking about Healer-Saint, though you are correct I should probably consider all as units start coming out. On DMM before I got where it always keeps redirecting me to Natuku (yes all settings are JP time, region, hell even keyboard since I have one), one of my rolls was Fusui-shi Krull. She made my farming of Pastoral Gate very easy since my units were still in their low 20's.

Currently I guess I'll use Liana, Camilla and Iris. Though for me it's been really hard to choose which is better between Iris and Fedora. Liana got on my list, not because she is a black but because she is one of only two units I have that can remove status (the other being Thetis with awakening). So my first is kinda a need though there may not be many maps that make use of the skill, though her AW skill I do like, and on drop 900hp heal to all units is pretty useful tactics wise.

With all the healing units we have and all those that are coming, it's gotten harder to plan how I want my team to perform. Thanks for the input, others are welcome to comment as well, as there are lots to consider with the various healers and types that we will eventually see.

have you tried setting your DMM to go from English to Japanese mode that's on the DMM main page?

For me in JP I just use an AW -3 Liana and an AW maxCR gold Iris as my main healers,
and have a CC60 Fedora and CC50 maxCR Alissa as back-up healers for when *** hits the fan (such as the Golem gold rush in JP right now)
I don't really care to use non-pure healers, with exception of Patra, but thats main cause she's my main mage, since her AW ability is gold steal, the single heal aoe that is her skill is nice though when things get hectic for a short period, or to help her stand alone somewhere away from the group without a dedicated healer
It is mainly idea to have 2 main healers, one that is a power healer, and one that is a low cost / decent one

 

[akoss]

Re: (Nutaku) Milenium War Aigis (English Version)

@exkale,
Thanks for the link and info.
Didn't really think about awakening for the units even though I have for all other types. Granted several that are mentioned we don't have yet.


@akoss
I was mainly talking about Healer-Saint, though you are correct I should probably consider all as units start coming out. On DMM before I got where it always keeps redirecting me to Natuku (yes all settings are JP time, region, hell even keyboard since I have one), one of my rolls was Fusui-shi Krull. She made my farming of Pastoral Gate very easy since my units were still in their low 20's.

Currently I guess I'll use Liana, Camilla and Iris. Though for me it's been really hard to choose which is better between Iris and Fedora. Liana got on my list, not because she is a black but because she is one of only two units I have that can remove status (the other being Thetis with awakening). So my first is kinda a need though there may not be many maps that make use of the skill, though her AW skill I do like, and on drop 900hp heal to all units is pretty useful tactics wise.

With all the healing units we have and all those that are coming, it's gotten harder to plan how I want my team to perform. Thanks for the input, others are welcome to comment as well, as there are lots to consider with the various healers and types that we will eventually see.


Interesting, had glanced at them seeing them as a secondary soldier but didn't realize they healed if not in combat.
From the translation it looks like they are weak at both compared to soldier/priest, as they are a hybrid.
Is it common to see teams with just hybrid type healers and no "primary" healers later in the game?

From the event videos I have seen I think most people use 2 primary healers still. I saw the Dragon Shaman pretty often, and a few priest warriors. If we are just talking primary healers, I think having one low cost healer, 17 or lower is something you want on your team. I don't like Fedora's ability, but I have a min cost gold Iris that seems to come out at the "right" time quite often.

 

[Xovian]

Re: (Nutaku) Milenium War Aigis (English Version)

But Llana costs a bunch of points to deploy right? I didn't think she was worth using unless we get her event and reduce her cost.

I do have two much cheaper healers on the team, as I do tend to keep three active. So I'm not sure her cost is a big issue, maybe later maps and events will change my mind, but for now I've not seen any problems.

have you tried setting your DMM to go from English to Japanese mode that's on the DMM main page?

For me I just use an AW Liana and an AW maxCR gold Iris as my main healers, and have a CC60 Fedora and CC50 maxCR Alissa as back-up healers for when *** hits the fan (such as the Golem gold rush in JP right now)
I don't really care to use non-pure healers, with exception of Patra, but thats main cause she's my main mage, since her AW ability is gold steal, the single heal aoe that is her skill is nice though when things get hectic for a short period, or to help her stand alone somewhere away from the group without a dedicated healer
It is mainly idea to have 2 main healers, one that is a power healer, and one that is a low cost / decent one

Yea, I tried that and it's like it just ignores me and goes right back to English. Oddly enough I played only DMM version on my laptop and never nutaku's version and that still happens. So I just gave up trying, turned into too much work just to try to login. Did get to try a bit of that vampire event, only cleared the first map though.

As to the healers, then I guess I could rotate as needed. Seems the hybrids aren't as good outside of the one you mentioned, so basically a single hybrid is fine, but not a good idea to use more than one?

What I currently have for those that are curious, all are maxed CR'ed (outside of black, she is CR'ed by -1) if they are over level 1 and CC'ed, the 25 Fedora and Christopher are as well.

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Way too many silvers, but I try to keep using them for future AW uses and not just as some type of leveling fodder if I can get around it. Just been trying to level quite a few units and it's been very slow now that I cant rely on leveling at a fast enough pace to give me a steady supply of units. I get to run a few maps a day on this account then its hurry up and wait for charisma to come back.

 

[Prototype909]

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For Healers I've just been using Alissa + Camilla. If I had to use a third I'd probably just use another Alissa tbh, though I have Iris and Fedora available I'd probably try to CR Alissa before I used either. I just use Dorca for CC food.

 

[Xovian]

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For Healers I've just been using Alissa + Camilla. If I had to use a third I'd probably just use another Alissa tbh, though I have Iris and Fedora available I'd probably try to CR Alissa before I used either. I just use Dorca for CC food.

Suppose since it's being discussed in more detail at the moment, is it worth keeping silvers due to their lower cost even if other healers are available? Don't think we have any maps that currently require the healers to be so cheap in cost (well maybe dwarfs & giants 2, that maps ridiculous, and no I still haven't even 1stared it yet) to be able to pass or even 3 star a map, does that change?

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@akoss
Yea, I do want to keep one of my golds, as stated my problem is deciding which is better Fedora or Iris with what I currently have (which may also change in the future at some point), as I like the range skills over the increase skills (I'm a lazy tactician?). Those with the range skills often have better base value then those with increase skills, but its not by a large enough margin to matter I guess. Fedora has more Atk then Iris for example, but obviously Iris' skill will push well past eithers base. Some maps like Immortal Beast, placing a ranged healer towards the bottom still allows her to heal during the skill where other wise no healer would be in range. Though I have no idea how common this type of map placement may occur in the future.

 

[akoss]

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Suppose since it's being discussed in more detail at the moment, is it worth keeping silvers due to their lower cost even if other healers are available? Don't think we have any maps that currently require the healers to be so cheap in cost (well maybe dwarfs & giants 2, that maps ridiculous, and no I still haven't even 1stared it yet) to be able to pass or even 3 star a map, does that change?

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@akoss
Yea, I do want to keep one of my golds, as stated my problem is deciding which is better Fedora or Iris with what I currently have (which may also change in the future at some point), as I like the range skills over the increase skills (I'm a lazy tactician?). Those with the range skills often have better base value then those with increase skills, but its not by a large enough margin to matter I guess. Fedora has more Atk then Iris for example, but obviously Iris' skill will push well past eithers base. Some maps like Immortal Beast, placing a ranged healer towards the bottom still allows her to heal during the skill where other wise no healer would be in range. Though I have no idea how common this type of map placement may occur in the future.

If you like range skills, Fedora seems like a good choice as one of your three. Camilla is Iris with more stats and only +1 cost for you.

Having silver healers around only seems useful for keeping units that can already handle whatever they are fighting at full health. They should be good for health drain maps, or keeping 3 soldiers alive while you push for a an early power spike. I don't see them as that useful compared to more stats a few seconds later.

 

[Xovian]

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Did a little more research and digging and came to the conclusion that I'd stick with: Liana, Camilla and Iris for main healers.

Fedora's negative and a big one for me is her AW ability. It's so lack luster it's a wonder they can call it an awakening. As many know, I'm very big into the CR and cost analysis of units. I tend to rate units better or worse simply because of their cost. Given that, i just can't look at an AW ability that is "-1 to herself" and thats it. She gets another CR, thats her AW.

Second reason is that thematically those three all work well together, all AW gives the heal upon being set on the field, amount dependant on rarity of course.

Finally, I still manage to keep at least one unit with the ranged increase, which i rate higher than a number of people. This gives me a bit of everything, and even when the hybrids do start showing up in droves, I'll still have a reason to keep using my set of primary healers.

Thanks all for the info and feedback.

 

[Lafate]

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Why not all? (Yes I'm crazy). On topic in regards to primary healers. My focus will probably be on Iris, Camilla, and Liana(assuming we get her event. Otherwise Chydis... cause fuck trying to get 6+ of her from Gatcha).

 

[SybillaISsoCUTE]

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Did a little more research and digging and came to the conclusion that I'd stick with: Liana, Camilla and Iris for main healers.

Fedora's negative and a big one for me is her AW ability. It's so lack luster it's a wonder they can call it an awakening. As many know, I'm very big into the CR and cost analysis of units. I tend to rate units better or worse simply because of their cost. Given that, i just can't look at an AW ability that is "-1 to herself" and thats it. She gets another CR, thats her AW.

Second reason is that thematically those three all work well together, all AW gives the heal upon being set on the field, amount dependant on rarity of course.

Finally, I still manage to keep at least one unit with the ranged increase, which i rate higher than a number of people. This gives me a bit of everything, and even when the hybrids do start showing up in droves, I'll still have a reason to keep using my set of primary healers.

Thanks all for the info and feedback.

Good for you=)
I dont have a lot to choose from though, so i will roll with Chydis, Iris, Dorca for now. Dorca already almost completed(50CC50+100 -2 3/5) Chydis lvl 37 with 35% affection. Iris lvl 17 (i am glad that i managed to roll her from my freemium crystals yesterday. She was the best gold unit i could have rolled. Other then her - i Guess Mehlis would be good too, but i have two beardys to fill the mages spot, so she was not that important)

A lot of work to do now though, to CC booth Chydis and Iris =-=. Hope for some plat armors at Monday... also i want another silver healer, i have 2 Christophers. but i want to keep one for male missions.

 

[dagonlies88]

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So I finally 1 starred Immortal Beast for the first time.

What are the stat requirements for the lightning rod unit to survive?

I'm assuming I have to use 3 mages so that means I can have 3 healers.

I have multiple units that can survive 3 lich hits, however the problem is the 3 baphomets that come with the huge wave. None of my units can survive 3 lich hits on top of a baphomet hitting it. It also diverts my healers from healing the lightning rod.

Online videos from jp aren't very useful because they don't show the levels of the units, only the costs.

 

[Gromelon]

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So I finally 1 starred Immortal Beast for the first time.

What are the stat requirements for the lightning rod unit to survive?

I'm assuming I have to use 3 mages so that means I can have 3 healers.

I have multiple units that can survive 3 lich hits, however the problem is the 3 baphomets that come with the huge wave. None of my units can survive 3 lich hits on top of a baphomet hitting it. It also diverts my healers from healing the lightning rod.

Online videos from jp aren't very useful because they don't show the levels of the units, only the costs.

Thing about this map, is that it's as endgame as we'll have for some time. You are supposed to throw some serious shit at it to 3*, being able to both outheal AND nuke the last wave that comes with Liches very fast and hard. It takes very strong, probably maxed out, team with blacks mixed in. I assume that if more than 1 baphomet is still alive when liches appear it's over or very close to it.

 

[Runzega]

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baphomet? what unit is that? nvm its the goat guys

 

[Tesseract]

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baphomet? what unit is that?

Baphomet:

 

[isabbah]

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baphomet? what unit is that?

Spoiler

 

[xaxs]

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I wish I had some app for farming fodder units... doing those maps over and over and over again... especially lvling after 40 is reaaallyyy annoying

 

[clavat_k]

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first time i saw hime when i starteg that thing scared the shit out of me.
i mean its all fun and games with goblins,archers,soldiers and knigths and then that motherfucker appaers.

 

[Lafate]

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Well this sucks... I'm going to hit 120 before monday daily time... oh well... Maybe it will give me all the silvers I need from this event so I can go back to farming phalax 2.

 

[Nirhael]

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Well this sucks... I'm going to hit 120 before monday daily time... oh well... Maybe it will give me all the silvers I need from this event so I can go back to farming phalax 2.

How bad is it?

If it's not too close, try to see whether farming <strike>Rural</strike> Pastoral Gate for the rest of the weekend will level you up, at worst, you might even want to consider some Sacred Forest runs.

I'm in a similar situation as yours, hit 119 this morning after stalling a bit and I'm setting things up for 120 right after I use up the Stamina Monday morning.

 

[Lafate]

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How bad is it?

If it's not too close, try to see whether farming <strike>Rural</strike> Pastoral Gate for the rest of the weekend will level you up, at worst, you might even want to consider some Sacred Forest runs.

I'm in a similar situation as yours, hit 119 this morning after stalling a bit and I'm setting things up for 120 right after I use up the Stamina Monday morning.

4768 until next level. I honestly probably just should switch to running Low Cost Battle/phalax 2 and some low story mission map just getting gold and affection, but I kind of want to get my third healer up to go at immortal beast.

Ah! I got it I'll run A Gigantic Enemy to get four gold fairies. While feeding what I get from sacred forest into my Stray... that way I can level Iris without leveling myself!

 

[clavat_k]

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question.
has someone completed the LVL 3 male friendship item quest?
i really need to start farming those...