A Question Directed Towards GOR Fans

[AceofWind]

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At the risk of sounding like a horrible human being, I believe GOR is an outlet for a man's desire to control. Part of the appeal of GOR is that the girl can do nothing about it and that it was the player's fault (and possibly purpose) to have her fail. The combination of the sexual attraction of the character and the ability to have complete control of her satisfies some of the latent desires people have.

I've read once that rapists aren't mentally sick, but rather had their moral guidelines, at least in the case of rape, whittle away due to the influences around them. Real life rapists exhibit perfectly normal human behavior, but when it comes to what sex, they've been exposed to an environment which has led them to believe that rape was acceptable in some cases.

In this sense, you could argue that almost everybody has that subconscious desire to take complete control of their partner. Now, I'm not saying that people who play GOR games are rapists, but it does help to explain why we enjoy them. Since our moral fibers haven't diminished to the point that we believe real life rape is alright, but are perverse enough to enjoy pornography enough to join an entire forum about it, you can imagine that we're comfortable enough with our understanding of what's right and wrong that we can look at GOR and say, "Wow, the fact that the girl is being used against her will is playing along with my desire to control. But at the same time, I'm mature enough to realize that this would be morally abhorrent should this occur in real life."

Of course, in your case, you derive pleasure not from the desire to control the character, but rather to see them happy. This is, I think, a different means to the same end. People enjoy GOR for the feeling of power. However, those who enjoy seeing the character win are probably empathizing for her. Where we want the carnal pleasure of rape, those who are empathizing with the character wants the loser to become a winner. And that's the beauty of GOR: You win if you win, and you win if you lose.

So essentially, and I'm not making fun of you in any way. We, or at least I, enjoy GOR because I don't go into these games looking to connect with the storyline or anything. Rather, I start them up with the intention of getting pleasure from the suffering of the character, knowing full well that it's perfectly okay, and perhaps even healthy, to do so.

Or I'm just a sick fuck trying to justify himself. Whichever comes first!

Oh wait, you're a guy?

 

[helhansen84]

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such simple questions... answered by so many philosophers.

i think its fun to play gor games with female characters when there is infight sex. u just try not to get raped by those evil pixels... and if you fail... well, its a win-win situation. not every man plays those games to fap away as much as possible. most games are just too bad for this. and not every man plays those games to overcompensate for reallife rape fantasies or micro penis or because hes ugly or unpopular.
those are games with sex, which is a good combination for entertainment... its like watching a trash zombie movie. its really bad, but those stupid ideas and scenes are funny and entertaining.
and games like sengoku rance are just funny as hell.

 

[Ayra]

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Like when Fairy crushers came out for Fairy fighting I was horrified at the consequences of losing and tried that much harder to win.

That's exactly my thinking: The threat is much bigger than a simple game-over screen so it makes the game that much more exciting for me. That goes double for the games where losing doesn't result in a game over: It makes getting revenge and beating up whoever caused this that much more satisfying. I pretty much play those games with the goal of NOT getting a scene.

The unfortunate thing is that it means the gameplay itself has to be pretty good for me to enjoy it. Nightmare Sphere holds the top spot for me (and is actually on my top 10 games I ever played), Nanocrisis was also pretty swell. Things like the recent Mushroom Princess are also enjoyable: It's a simple platformer but it's fun enough and the game over scenes are mostly inoffensive and cartoonish. Pretty Warrior May Cry was very different and fun (though I made sure to avoid some matchups). Shinobi Girl was okay I guess: The gameplay was very simple but the scenes were very cartoonish so it didn't have much impact either way (but at least it didn't make me sick so that's good). There's a few other titles I enjoyed, but the number is not very high.

But beyond that..? I can get behind the concept behind Faerie Fighting, but the content is just way too heavy for me: 5 minutes of play is all I stomach. Most games have horrible gameplay, and anything with Gore I refuse to even glance at no matter how good the gameplay might be.

The only reason I check around once in a while is to see if there's anything released that catches my fancy (since there's the occasional good release that don't appear on dlsite).

 

[fatmancory]

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Simple, men's biggest thing in sex is power or lack of it. Rape is not something only humans do remember. In fact, most means of reproduction in the animal kingdom is rape of one form or another. Its really deep if you think about. men value power and control, and women value partnership. You see, it comes as part of our desire to be the "alpha". Showing dominance is showing your strong, showing your strong is means your more likely to have healthier kids. Women want to make sure the man stays and doesn't leave, to ensure her kids chance of survival.

 

[Legrandxav]

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1) No because it's a game. Pardon me for the comparison but it's almost the same thing in skyrim (oblivion is more accurate with the sex mod): you can play a girl, who fight, who is insulted but must be strong. I'm not my character so I do whatever I want.

2) I often let the girl lose to see the hentai scene. But when I saw it, I play the game to win it. (Good exemple: Mushrom Kingdom Princess. Every stage got new ennemis so I lose to it first, saw the scene and then kick their ass)

Rape is ok but only virtually. But I can't stand Guro, bestiality, furry.

 

[super_slicer]

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It gives me something to watch while I touch my dick so as long as it's well made and doesn't include fetishes I don't like I really don't care.

Also, good explanation darkfire, you're my hero.

 

[MajorKagami]

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Simple, men's biggest thing in sex is power or lack of it. Rape is not something only humans do remember. In fact, most means of reproduction in the animal kingdom is rape of one form or another. Its really deep if you think about. men value power and control, and women value partnership. You see, it comes as part of our desire to be the "alpha". Showing dominance is showing your strong, showing your strong is means your more likely to have healthier kids. Women want to make sure the man stays and doesn't leave, to ensure her kids chance of survival.

I answer this with Sexual cannibalism!

 

[Penttiseta]

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I dont care for normal rapes in game ( human v human ) but instead of monsters etc: the idea of something that is not possible and could not happen irl, makes it so exiting

PS. all the GOR games i play have happy ending

 

[DarkFire1004]

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Oh wait, you're a guy?

Of course not! I'm just putting myself in the mindset of one!

 

[Justsomeguy]

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I have discussed this in other forums, and I do know that I am most likely not the majority, but nonetheless, I shall offer my opinion.

2. A lot of the appeal in these types of games is losing to see the sex scenes and I'm pretty sure a lot of you intentionally lose/die to see them. Isn't it discouraging/cruel to just let your character sit there as she gets beaten up and eventually raped? The thought of intentionally losing should be a major turn-off. In fact, I play these games just to win so I can see the poor, rape-susceptible female character get a happy ending, which makes me warm inside.

First, for me at least, I like rape as a game mechanic, but I really don't care whatsoever as to whether it is "Game-over" or not. And just like in choose your own adventures, and other games where you can make choices, not just erotic ones, I am sure that I am not the only one who will choose the choice that I am sure leads to a "bad-end," just to be able to experience it.

1. You're playing as a female character getting raped by male characters/tentacle penises and you're a male gamer. Doesn't that make you feel kind of awkward/uncomfortable?

My greatest sexual fantasy is to have sex as a woman. Another extremely prominent sexual fantasy of mine is rape. So playing these games is actually a source of incredible comfort for me. Whenever I indulge in erotica, I always put myself someplace into the scene, and if I can't, I can't enjoy it. (Why I can't enjoy lesbian porn.) When it comes to rape, more often then not, (<80% of the time) I am fantasizing about myself being the one being raped, rather than the rapist.

 

[azurezero]

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the psychological question is even more complex case cause i also wish id been born as a girl...does that mean when i fap to this stuff i am really just raping myself? freud and jung would have a field day

 

[Jahannum]

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Of course not! I'm just putting myself in the mindset of one!

Hmmm I dont know why I said *he*, think its your Avatar making my brain herpa derp. I even read your rank too.

 

[sewermedic]

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1. It's a fantasy. Why do so many RPG gamers play as female characters and romance male NPCs? That's because fantasy is a way to let you do things that you normally cannot do in real life (e.g. magic). Also, eroge games with male characters is actually closer to rape than GOR games with female characters. First you intentionally beat up a female NPC, then you proceed to have sex with her. I am pretty sure that's a textbook definition of rape. Thus I am more comfortable with being raped (since that's not something that can actually happen in real life) than actually raping someone. Does that make sense? I guess I am just not comfortable with the idea of going out to hurt someone, hence the alternative is somewhat better.

2. Well, to be fair in most GOR games there are no such thing as a happy ending. I have played one or two games that do somewhat reward you for remaining a virgin till the very end, but most games usually don't make this a distinction. In fact most games reward you for having more sex, whether consensual or not. There is also a more practical reason of course - it's just easier to get sex scenes with a female character. Losing is easy (unless if you have leveled up so much that you have before practically immortal, but most games have mechanism that can lower your stats), but winning not so much. Sometimes I just want to watch a few quick sex scenes without having to defeat an entire army first. As for the emotional consequences of seeing my character being beaten up... well, I will admit it is a little depressing, but only in retrospect. Seeing your character getting raped is like eating meat - it feels good during the act, but afterwards you might feel a little guilty. So either you cope with it or you become a vegetarian.

Btw, you should bring this over to the GOR thread in Hong Fire too. There's a noticeable lack of activity over there lately.

Edit: Forgot to mention that a lot of Eroge games with male character end up with the main character becoming a raping monster. That's usually extremely off-turning. Except Rance. That dude's awesome.

Yes, I thought about posting this on the Hongfire GOR thread, but I thought a question like this deserved a topic of its own. I'm quite surprised at how many responses there have been in such a short amount of time.

 

[Yuan-Tiki]

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I tend to avoid games in which the main character is the aggressor, because I do tend to put myself in the place of the main character.
It doesn't seem to be an uncommon point of view, either.
I lose track of the abreviations, but I tend to gravitate to (GOR and ROR) if I get my terms right.

It's a pretty complex subject, I guess.

 

[OfficerTJHooker]

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1. You're playing as a female character getting raped by male characters/tentacle penises and you're a male gamer. Doesn't that make you feel kind of awkward/uncomfortable?

2. A lot of the appeal in these types of games is losing to see the sex scenes and I'm pretty sure a lot of you intentionally lose/die to see them. Isn't it discouraging/cruel to just let your character sit there as she gets beaten up and eventually raped? The thought of intentionally losing should be a major turn-off. In fact, I play these games just to win so I can see the poor, rape-susceptible female character get a happy ending, which makes me warm inside.

Dark's post pretty much hits the nail on the head. But in my own words:

1) I guess it doesn't... I don't really feel uncomfortable about it. Even though I am playing the main character, whatever the game decides for my character is what happens for it.

2) Don't get me wrong, I play the game to win. The fact that your character gets raped kind of adds to the stakes, and actually gives some form of 'tangible defeat' to your actions. In a way, it encourages me to try even harder so the MC doesn't get raped. Of course, there's nothing wrong with losing on purpose just to see what happens to her.

 

[handofdoz]

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1. nope, not at all. for me the porn is about the woman and what is happening to her, not who or what is doing it. i dont care about the men in the game movie or whatever.

2. i play the game to see what i can make the girl go through. her making it home free isnt on my agenda of goals for her to go through.

 

[manty5]

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To me, GoR/RoL/RoR as a female is (depending on the quality of the game, of course!) actually a lot more of a turn-on than Victory-Rape as a male.

I think that's because if it's YOUR char that's being raped, then that bypasses all the hangups that roleplaying a predator would entail. If you identify with the character, then you're not the one who's harming, you're being harmed... but all that harm goes away with a simple load game.

So from that perspective, you're experiencing a lot LESS "discouraging/cruel" under GoR, at least if you're wired that way, I suppose.

1. Games that have a parallel story or bonus content for NOT getting raped tend to in my mind be better games. Most of the time in those, my "real" playthrough is rapeless, but I leave a breadcrumb trail of save-points to let me take a darker path should I choose to do so another day.

2. Games that make you work to lose in just the right way add challenge.

3. Clothing destruction works really well with GoR genre.

4. Guro/Vore can easily be a turn-off in these games, but not always.

5. Oh, and "struggle" mechanics just piss me right off. If the game creator did a good job, then we have better things to be doing with our hands at that moment in time.

 

[RaimeiNaginata]

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My answers may seem a little neurotic. For me, it has nothing to do with sadism. I only play GOR games that have enemies that appeal to my particular interests. And being a straight man, naturally I'd rather the main character be female. For me, it's just another avenue of seeing the stuff I like. In answer to your questions:

1) The whole reason I'm not into porn in general is because as you said, penises make me uncomfortable. But for me, it's a very weird quirk in how I distinguish what makes me uncomfortable and what doesn't. The less human the male is, the more comfortable I am with it. Thus, while I'm kind of okay with orcs and goblins and the like, I really prefer the males to be as non-humanoid as possible, so tentacles and bestiality and slimes are tops for me. Also, I don't like girls with strap-ons because it's too much like futanari, and that just creeps me right the hell out.

2) I personally hate games where I have to just sit around and let the enemies whack away at me until I lose. This is why I prefer platformer GOR games over RPGs. RPGs take a lot longer to get to it, and require a lot more input and care to actually get what you want. I like best platformers with a good difficulty curve so that even once I've mastered how to defeat the enemies or get through a certain spot, if I'm not careful I could still lose. I usually just go back in a later playthrough, or for longer games, after saving and try to view all the different sex scenes.

Of course, that wasn't really your point there, but I get what you mean. I really prefer to try and play through without getting raped at all. The bigger part of this is because I actually really don't like rape at all, and only put up with it as a necessary evil for the stuff I like (not much chance of consensual sex with a tentacle monster). The other part is that I usually mentally connect the main characters to the female OCs of mine they most resemble, and since I am somewhat emotionally invested in them, I do want to see them get out unharmed.

Like I said, my answers are totally neurotic, but I have enough emotional dissonance issues to fill out a subscription, so there's that.

 

[Sojourner]

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Holy crap, that is a lot of textwalls. There are also some highly diverse reasons given. May as well add my philo-psychoanalysis to the list.

Now, although I personally don't like it, I can understand the appeal of ryona because of the whole sadism fetish, but don't you guys feel uncomfortable playing these types of games especially ones where the MC is a female?

Rape isn't always about sadism. Primarily, it's about power and control, or dominance. In cases of female rape, there may be misogynistic motivations, which would bring sadism into play. Other than being sperm donors for future generations, socially enforced gender roles for men and women are almost irrelevant now. The lizard brain lashes out, looking for some way to "punish" women for the diminished ego, and then you get the Republican Party. I mean, the Catholic Church. I mean, misogynists.

As far as feeling uncomfortable, I'd be livid if one or more cocks were attempting to be shoved in one or more of my orifices, especially since I only have two of appropriate size (nasal fucking not recommended). I'd also probably shit myself if I was suddenly in the Battle of Normandy, or if a swarm of facehuggers were skittering towards me. Outside of tabletop RPGs and LARPs, there is still a disconnect to the immersion level of games. We are the participants, but we are also spectators. The fact that the art is also from a 3rd person POV, and not 1st person POV, also helps to keep the detachment. Until it reaches a point of where we fully share the experience of the character (via cyberware or other means), we will still be able to consider ourselves observers and preserve the fantasy.

2. A lot of the appeal in these types of games is losing to see the sex scenes and I'm pretty sure a lot of you intentionally lose/die to see them. Isn't it discouraging/cruel to just let your character sit there as she gets beaten up and eventually raped? The thought of intentionally losing should be a major turn-off. In fact, I play these games just to win so I can see the poor, rape-susceptible female character get a happy ending, which makes me warm inside.

If a game is well-thought out, I'm playing less for the H-content and more for the game. Mushroom Kingdom Princess has hardly any H-scenes, but most are playing it for the nostalgic reminder of SMB3. If I'm trying to get the H-scenes of a GOR, it's because I like the art style. There have been RORs/GORs with a great deal of H-content, but due to other subpar gameplay or an art style I didn't care for, I passed on the game. Shinobi Girl, a spiritual successor (ripoff?) of JG/DG, meets both criteria for me, whereas there several games - which I will not disparage here - that have no appeal for me in either department.

If you like to go for the "good" ending, you can play RJ086901 without getting sexually assaulted once. The game isn't very long or difficult, though, once you figure out what to do. It took me roughly 3 hours to 100% the gallery. The gameplay is RoL and GoR, and the CG gallery includes Tentacales, Vore, Watersports, Scat, and borderline Guro... as well as some others. I didn't care for most of the CG (not a fan of digestive discharges), though my favorite scene is of the defeated heroine being electrocuted while being DP'd by the same creature.

Yeah, I have "issues." But I, like most here, work them out in these daliances into fantasy, rather than on the general populace. After all, do you have any idea how expensive and difficult it is to install a soundproof sub-basement of sufficient size to serve as a dungeon without the neighbors noticing? When duffle bags mumble and wriggle, it's hard to explain why to the SWAT negotiator on your front lawn. Hell, just getting the ingredients to summon a minor tentacle demon is backbreaking (petrified heart of an infant isn't that easy to come by).

I'm sorry if I offended anyone but I thought that this would be the best forum to bring it up on since the GOR community is strong here.

Offend someone? You're not trolling, and you had an opinion which you politely asked others to voluntarily qualify. From what I've observed over the years, even Toxic appreciates an intelligent question once in awhile.

 

[noman]

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I feel weird compared to the rest of you after reading this.

I'm female and to be perfectly frank I don't actually like GOR I prefer ROR or other forms where the rape does not actually end the game. I like allowing it t continue despite the momentary capture.

Oh wait, I completely forgot that true GOR is where the game ends after the sex. Whoops. It's just that so many of the games in the GOR thread don't actually end after the sex.

Of course not! I'm just putting myself in the mindset of one!

Wait.... You are not a guy?

Now I am fucking confused. I need to go sleep.