KatsuraJun
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Re: Aegis Thousand Year War - DMM Online Game
EDIT: like to clarify what I mean, for the video you posted, idk, I feel like at that point, waving away that wave of ants that late into the map is really something that isn't unique to desperia's capabilities. it's not bad, just not as impressive? Is what I'd say, but that's just how I feel at least.
That's a given as majin maps revolve around demons which is more or less what he's better for. But I don't feel like discounting a unit completely simply because they are underused in majin map is a fair metric to assess them by - you consider Estelle to be top tier, but I recall her being virtually unused in Furfur clears - I found her completely unusable as well. I don't know about her usage in Amon, but I also completely passed her up again in that just because of how unwieldy and expensive she is in this maps. I don't disagree with your assessment of her as top tier because of how ridiculously powerful her awakened skill is, but it doesn't change that she's still very good despite being fairly useless in the "meta" right now if you define that as their effectiveness in majin maps.
I guess that's fair, I just find that other units are capable of accomplishing the same thing without taking up the usually limited amount of range spots I have to work with.
EDIT: like to clarify what I mean, for the video you posted, idk, I feel like at that point, waving away that wave of ants that late into the map is really something that isn't unique to desperia's capabilities. it's not bad, just not as impressive? Is what I'd say, but that's just how I feel at least.
Even ignoring cost, I just don't really agree with her placement as high if you consider Sybilla/Ingrid as low. Saying she's good in a situation where you need a mage+HA isn't accurate because she can't tank hits nearly as well as an HA. If you needed a mage+HA, you use Grace, who fills that role much better except when you need consistent and long term waveclear when skills are waiting on their cds, but that situation crops up in a very small minority of cases from what I've experienced.
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dartred
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are these some kind of one time only drop maps? i got the angel on the first run in the first map.
want to know if i should run it again or move onto the next map. dont have much stamina and charisma, being a new player.
are these some kind of one time only drop maps? i got the angel on the first run in the first map.
want to know if i should run it again or move onto the next map. dont have much stamina and charisma, being a new player.
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First run guarantees drop
First run guarantees drop
Dragonpaladin
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Vesper wise, she again becomes a top pick if you are using magical damage. otoh, there's no numbers yet.
On the other hand, if any unit is being used on a majin 15 (and not replaceable), it pretty much become top pick (top/high) since they are currently the hardest maps in game. Nothing else compare to that type of difficulty and actually 'requires' a specific black (and Saria)
The reason behind why she's still on high is because she used to be the most accessible black units and does quite well for what she's intended for in terms of tanking/killing large mobs (not boss of course, as you've pointed out) Despite the obvious high cost and lack of range compared to melee supports.
I agree with Grace filling that role much better, which is why she's on the high tier as well. By the same argument I don't believe Ingrid/Sybilla is better than Grace even if they are better than Anya when mob density is low.
(working on vespar 11~15 atm, I might not reply for a while sorry KatsuraJun.
You brought some good arguments, though you have to note that the free/event blacks in general are worse than gacha units. (If there's +/-, then all event would get a - to their rank) Anya is a great event black, and is the ruler used for separating high/low tier.)
She's one of the 'more' used unit in amon. (as in top 10) In furfur, only those with buff uses her. (though a lot of people used buff to clear 15)
Vesper wise, she again becomes a top pick if you are using magical damage. otoh, there's no numbers yet.
On the other hand, if any unit is being used on a majin 15 (and not replaceable), it pretty much become top pick (top/high) since they are currently the hardest maps in game. Nothing else compare to that type of difficulty and actually 'requires' a specific black (and Saria)
Anya wise, I am not going to argue too hard far, since she's literally the bottom line separating high tier from low tier and is a free/event.
The reason behind why she's still on high is because she used to be the most accessible black units and does quite well for what she's intended for in terms of tanking/killing large mobs (not boss of course, as you've pointed out) Despite the obvious high cost and lack of range compared to melee supports.
I agree with Grace filling that role much better, which is why she's on the high tier as well. By the same argument I don't believe Ingrid/Sybilla is better than Grace even if they are better than Anya when mob density is low.
(working on vespar 11~15 atm, I might not reply for a while sorry KatsuraJun.
You brought some good arguments, though you have to note that the free/event blacks in general are worse than gacha units. (If there's +/-, then all event would get a - to their rank) Anya is a great event black, and is the ruler used for separating high/low tier.)
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WiliamZero
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I kill all those angels will ranges. So many range attack
On other side, I get quite SC there. Collecting them feels good :3
I kill all those angels will ranges. So many range attack
On other side, I get quite SC there. Collecting them feels good :3
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@Dragonpaladin i think eterna should not be lower though probably not highest i mean she can heal and attack at the same time that pretty versatile even if she does get a reduction multiplayer it saves you having to take a mage out to switch them for heal support. other than that i'm glad to see grace were she is -70% hp makes me have to time her skill more then id like but 1.7k attack and def for 30s is awesome and as long as she ain't tanking something that can 2 shot her i can use her skill without worry cus of her normal defence being so high
@Dragonpaladin i think eterna should not be lower though probably not highest i mean she can heal and attack at the same time that pretty versatile even if she does get a reduction multiplayer it saves you having to take a mage out to switch them for heal support. other than that i'm glad to see grace were she is -70% hp makes me have to time her skill more then id like but 1.7k attack and def for 30s is awesome and as long as she ain't tanking something that can 2 shot her i can use her skill without worry cus of her normal defence being so high
Larcx
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Yep . I think it's not an exageration that I will get atleast 30 new Silver
Each one of those revival map atleast 5-6 SC
So atleast 20-24 SC
Now I'm praying all those Black Unit I didn't have
Like Anya , Nagi , Eterna(It seems she is an Event Unit?)
I wouldn't mind if it's a collection original and not using Revival Crystal~
Too many homework~
Yep . I think it's not an exageration that I will get atleast 30 new Silver
Each one of those revival map atleast 5-6 SC
So atleast 20-24 SC
Now I'm praying all those Black Unit I didn't have
Like Anya , Nagi , Eterna(It seems she is an Event Unit?)
I wouldn't mind if it's a collection original and not using Revival Crystal~
Too many homework~
WiliamZero
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Ah she's curse user. She's good in case you want to reduce enemy power and kill them fast within her range.
just rolled this unit. her stats look bad, but seeing as she is platinum and this is moonrunes. there's gotta be more then meets the eye to her.
Ah she's curse user. She's good in case you want to reduce enemy power and kill them fast within her range.
soranokira
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slardar and slardar with rapier:
can we get the rapier that drops from them and give it to nanaly and rion?
*goes back to farming cloris for AW fodder*
slardar and slardar with rapier:
can we get the rapier that drops from them and give it to nanaly and rion?
*goes back to farming cloris for AW fodder*
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gongrats i just AW'ed her i dont really use her for attacking she is my 2nd best healer lol
gongrats i just AW'ed her i dont really use her for attacking she is my 2nd best healer lol
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When daily changes
When daily changes
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There's a timer when you select the revival.
There's a timer when you select the revival.
KatsuraJun
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Ah, I see. I mostly had her shelved for Amon, but I wouldn't know other strategies since I only watched a couple of other people's videos.
Still, I think most people consider Furfur much harder and Estelle wasn't used much during it. idk, I just don't really agree with judging units too heavily on that criteria; not that it shouldn't matter, but it doesn't make sense that a top unit was mostly unused for Furfur then would it? And then suddenly because top 10 when mob density becomes heavier in Amon. Vepar's minions aren't even demons, so that would affect the usage of other units as well.
What I feel is just that the conditions for Dark Knight to be stronger are just that - current conditions, rather than the merits of his abilities. In terms of stats, yeah, his multiplier is higher (incidentally, I think his base attack is lower? if I recall right, but that doesn't matter too much), but physical damage isn't always a boon, it just happens to be one right now. It's like how you dismiss his high cost as irrelevant because you usually place him later on in the map anyway, but that won't always be the case - it just happens to be so at the moment, yet that doesn't always mean you won't need a unit like sybilla/ingrid/dark knight in functionality earlier on in the map.
Furfur/Amon aside, I've found Grace roughly equal in usefulness to Sybilla/Ingrid. As you said earlier, it's difficult to compare them because they fulfill very different roles, but I've just found Anya to occupy this odd space in between Sybilla and Grace while not really excelling at either end. If I need to handle annoying large mobs that don't qualify as bosses like maid golems or dragons, I use Sybilla. If I need someone to deal with swarms like the ants, I'll use Grace.
Ah, I see. I mostly had her shelved for Amon, but I wouldn't know other strategies since I only watched a couple of other people's videos.
Still, I think most people consider Furfur much harder and Estelle wasn't used much during it. idk, I just don't really agree with judging units too heavily on that criteria; not that it shouldn't matter, but it doesn't make sense that a top unit was mostly unused for Furfur then would it? And then suddenly because top 10 when mob density becomes heavier in Amon. Vepar's minions aren't even demons, so that would affect the usage of other units as well.
What I feel is just that the conditions for Dark Knight to be stronger are just that - current conditions, rather than the merits of his abilities. In terms of stats, yeah, his multiplier is higher (incidentally, I think his base attack is lower? if I recall right, but that doesn't matter too much), but physical damage isn't always a boon, it just happens to be one right now. It's like how you dismiss his high cost as irrelevant because you usually place him later on in the map anyway, but that won't always be the case - it just happens to be so at the moment, yet that doesn't always mean you won't need a unit like sybilla/ingrid/dark knight in functionality earlier on in the map.
Furfur/Amon aside, I've found Grace roughly equal in usefulness to Sybilla/Ingrid. As you said earlier, it's difficult to compare them because they fulfill very different roles, but I've just found Anya to occupy this odd space in between Sybilla and Grace while not really excelling at either end. If I need to handle annoying large mobs that don't qualify as bosses like maid golems or dragons, I use Sybilla. If I need someone to deal with swarms like the ants, I'll use Grace.