to be more precise, my point was that there are other substitutes for a 2nd Anya, which is usually a sufficient replacement for what a player would use a 2nd Anya for. There might still be that very rare case where a normal skill Anya is the best choice, but that is why I quoted this:
I would like to add another AW99 Anya to my list of units I am going to raise and will only use one time per year. A very good use of resources instead of maxing out a unit that I've been using a lot in the past few months. Pretty good value.
at least in theory, yurina for MR and hibari for physical should suffice in replacing most situations in which you'd need to use a 2nd Anya for. And really, would you rather level a new unit to use or would you prefer leveling a 2nd Anya?
If you still want to level a 2nd Anya, then I'll just quote kar:
People can use their time however they wish. It still doesn't mean it's not a waste of time or resources.
There really is no genuine mechanical reason to get two unless you're just goofing off.
Most players will also have Hibari, who is a much better unit than Anya is for a far lower cost that serves a similar role, if people need two sweeper tanks.
From a game mechanical one, it's a waste or sub-optimal choice.
From having fun one or simply wanting it, its all personal preference and can be an optimal choice, no matter what game mechanics or min-max think of it.
She is a valid unit, she is reasonable powerful in common settings and she probably fits some fetishes too.
Plenty of boxes being ticked off.
All good, have fun, collect as many as you want, but dont expect too much in terms of power within the game framework, should about sum it up.
I think that first of all, some people are getting too aggressive about this. And second of all, we're forgetting the point of the discussion (which was clearly missed by most of us as it's more of a collector's thing in the end), which was why do you even need two Anyas?
And the answer was already given. Unless you want to keep switching her skill every time, it's more useful to just have two and SAW one. The two skills turn her into completely different units with completely different functions.
It's not about your favorite tank (though as another user has stated, Anya does have unparalleled use against high attack enemies due to the unique nature of her skill), it's about what potential scenarios you might want her for.
I don't need my Rion or my Aisha, but I still leveled them so that I can use them. Sure they're overkill for some things, but that doesn't mean I can't put them to general use as well. Same logic will apply to others with Anya.
Now let's cool our heads over this and agree to disagree. No sarcastic rebuttals. We've heard both sides by now. All I aimed to do was provide reasoning for a point some people didn't seem to understand, and I think I'm being treated rather harshly for it.
From a game mechanical one, it's a waste or sub-optimal choice.
From having fun one or simply wanting it, its all personal preference and can be an optimal choice, no matter what game mechanics or min-max think of it.
She is a valid unit, she is reasonable powerful in common settings and she probably fits some fetishes too.
Plenty of boxes being ticked off.
All good, have fun, collect as many as you want, but dont expect too much in terms of power within the game framework, should about sum it up.
People can do what they want with their resources, I'm not here to stop them, and it's not like I could even if I really, really wanted to because of some sociopathic form of OCD that made me go into a murderous frenzy every time something doesn't go my way.
Here's my thought process, for the record: If it was a newbie or a player without Anya that isn't crazy op, I'd generally recommend farming Anya because she excels at combating a lot of the problems newbies face - farming mid-tier event stages, dailies, and so on. The reasons I stated things the way I did is because I know larcx has a copy of Anya, an advanced team with a good number of blacks and probably a mincost Hibari because he is p2p. This wasn't advice given to a f2p newbie, but an advanced spending player. If he wants to ignore me for the sake of a second dragon waifu he is free to do so and probably already has anyway. It's not gonna tear me up inside - I too have wasted resources leveling units I never use, including some gacha blacks(hi Farne).
As a response to a related subject about newbies/a bit of an offtopic aside:
I think you will find that a lot more players care about the apparent strength of units and their importance in endgame content then you'd think. On the various Discord serves I'm on, even newbies take some form of interest, regardless of how far away they are from fighting a majin. People will think twice about leveling a dupe of a really expensive unit that mostly excels only in easier stages if that fact is pointed out to them.
Sometimes they may care about power level even if they secretly desire to have a team filled with Hina's and Aisha's.
And the answer was already given. Unless you want to keep switching her skill every time, it's more useful to just have two and SAW one. The two skills turn her into completely different units with completely different functions.
My counterargument to this is that the kind of resources and time put into farming a Time Fairy during limited and rare appearance events, especially in lieu of other limited events like the black collection unit that's available now, is a punishing cost compared to spending 300k and a few orbs that are easily obtainable in comparison.
I mean, I suppose you could use a TF they give you for free, but generally speaking Anya's SAW is serviceable for almost any scenario she could normally be used in when compared to her regular skill. Like Hibari, Anya is a tanky sweeper. If she can't sweep the mobs with her SAW due to lack of durability, it's very unlikely she'll suffice as a sweeper without her damage boost against the same enemies that kill her. The exceptions to this will be very few. As a result I'd still say it's wasteful to put in the resources leveling two of them, especially when we also have Hibari.
"For fun," is a much more realistic and believable argument at that point.
It's not about your favorite tank (though as another user has stated, Anya does have unparalleled use against high attack enemies due to the unique nature of her skill), it's about what potential scenarios you might want her for.
Most black tanks and some plat tanks are just as tanky or tankier even with Anya's % damage reduction. This is because flat defense can reach extraordinary numbers because B. Iris is cancer. If an enemy starts hitting above 10k in some majin stage, most tanks will die. The exceptions are AW Prince, Sarah, Mireille and Olivia. Through some mad science you may be able to get Anya to survive - somehow, but if you do a whole host of other tanks will be able to survive as well - and many of those tanks will have better sustained usage/uptimes or superior ability to tank magic[Sophie, Cornelia, Hibari, etc.].
Now you could make the 'without B. Iris argument', but then Anya's thresholds fall significantly as well.
ive been on dmm for a little while and ive gotten 5 time fairys so far 2 went to b iris 1 went to anya 1 to sue and my 4th most recent went to despia i could have had 5 anyas but along with ac quest i got a mincost b iris and -2 despia and that has helped me far more then 5 or even 2 anyas would ever have b iris especially
My counterargument to this is that the kind of resources and time put into farming a Time Fairy during limited and rare appearance events, especially in lieu of other limited events like the black collection unit that's available now, is a punishing cost compared to spending 300k and a few orbs that are easily obtainable in comparison.
No, I'm in total agreement. That's why I said from the start that with AW2 coming up, it's much more useful to just grab your free copy from that and not bother trying to farm one from the revival. Time Fairies are much better suited to any number of uses that aren't a second copy of Anya.
Of course, it remains to be seen exactly what we're going to need to get the AW2 fairy, and may the devs have mercy on our souls. But beyond that, the requirements are the same as AW1, so at least that will be reasonable and relatively easy. And it'll almost certainly be a lot more reasonable than trying to farm up 500 revival crystals for an incredibly valuable Time Fairy you can only get once per year.
I have Tamamo at AW85 and Skill AW, yet I haven't found any good opportunities to actually use her (i.e. I brought her against the Duke, but instead of deploying her, I only needed to use Lilia and Roana as melee units)...
Speaking of Tamamo, I wonder if 2nd AW will cause her to go Suppatenko Mode (
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Fiore the Druid and her Favourite Food:
She lives off a diet of junkfood...
Plat Dancer Vivian
Vivian (ビビアン): Auto Step (オートステップ): (30s; gives max attack and defence; skill automatic; AS: ; WT: ; CT: 25) Last Dance (ラストダンス): (30s; range 2x; gives max attack and defence; changes to 'アンコールダンス' afterwards; AS: ; WT: ; CT: 30) Encore Dance (アンコールダンス): (30s; range 2x; gives max attack and defence; skill can only be used once per battle; AS: ; WT: ; CT: 30) Voluptuous Body (わがままボディ): self: cost+3, but attack and defence+15%.
Vivian (ビビアン): Auto Step (オートステップ): (30s; gives max attack and defence; skill automatic; AS: ; WT: ; CT: 25) Last Dance (ラストダンス): (30s; range 2x; gives max attack and defence; changes to 'アンコールダンス' afterwards; AS: ; WT: ; CT: 30) Encore Dance (アンコールダンス): (30s; range 2x; gives max attack and defence; skill can only be used once per battle; AS: ; WT: ; CT: Voluptuous Body (わがままボディ): self: cost+3, but attack and defence+15%.
I find it funny is knowing what her ability name is.
Anyway her AW skill is kinda, how to say, 1 time after using last skill... will her skill lock out ?
Shino Introduction: Kappa and Blood Compact (30/2) (河童と血判状):
Blood Compact (x3), S Soldier Crave (), Magic Crystal () Story:
Return of the Kappa (40/4) (再来する河童):
Blood Compact III (), Blood Compact (x3), S Ninja Saizou (), S Archer Kazuha () Story:
Supreme Commander's Trial (50/7) (総大将の試練):
Blood Compact V (x2), Blood Compact III (x2), S Pirate Giovanni (), Plat Fairy () Story:
Mononoke of Wind and Lightning (80/9) (風と雷の物の怪):
Blood Compact V (100x3), S Healer Alyssa (), Plat Armour (), Magic Crystal II() Story:
Monkey Sage's Killing Time (40/5) (仙猿の暇つぶし):
Blood Compact III (x3), S Valkyrie Elaine (), Spirit Queen (), Plat Armour () Story:
Iroha: "What sort of youkai are you going to make a blood compact with next?"
Shino: "Tengu. They excel in youjitsu, and can fly in the sky. If I make them my servants, they'll be formidable helpers."
Saizou: "A flying mononoke, eh? In that case, I shall bring them to their knees with my shuriken. I won't let a single one lay a finger on the Prince."
Iroha: "When the time comes, I shall become the Prince's shield. I won't fall behind Saizou-dono!"
Shino:"Fufu... such brave warriors. Prince truly is respected by his subordinates. I would be happy to have servants like them—"
Soldier: "Report! Youkai confirmed up ahead!"
Saizou: "It seems they've appeared early. However, the dark of night is perfectly suitable for a ninja... It won't be possible for them to catch sight of me."
(Faa appears)
Faa: "Ah—!? What're you doing!? You beat up all of the youkai!?"
Shino: "... Hm? What? Who are you? A monkey youkai...?"
Faa: "They were good sparring partners~! Damnit, I'm gonna get bored—! ... Since it's come to this, I'll be your opponent!"
Shino: "Quick to bare fangs... I shall have you also write in the blood compact!"
(end)
Faa: "Owowow... Geez, I can't believe you're so strong. But fighting with you guys was very fun! Well then, I'll be heading back—Mmph!?"
Shino: "You lost the fight, yet you're talking about going somewhere? I won't let you escape until you write in this blood compact, you know?"
Faa: "Hm? Buraddo Compacto? I don't really get it, but since I lost the fight, I won't break my promise. There you go."
Shino: "Your name is 'Faa'. ... Your blood compact. I, Shino, the daughter of Nurarihyon, accept."
Shino: "Well then, Faa. From now on, please work with me."
Faa: "Hm? I had enough for today. I'm hungry, so I'm going to eat some food! See ya!"
Shino: "Ah, please wait! ... She's gone. What should I do? I had her write in the blood compact, yet she won't obey my command..."
Anna: "Ah, umm, Shino-san... Faa-san is a 'monkey sage' whose seal was broken by Nurarihyon. She's not a youkai."
Shino: "S, so that's how it is...! I'm terribly sorry. I was sure she was a youkai... ... I am ashamed."
Bashira: "Shino-san is Nurarihyon's daughter after all... In any case, we received the tengu's blood compact, so cheer up. Let's head to the next area!"
Poison Miasma Battle (70/8) (毒の瘴気の戦い):
Blood Compact V (100x2), Blood Compact III (100), S Rogue Harissa (), Ruby () gimmick: poison Story:
Shino: "There should be a youkai that manipulates poison called 'Ushioni' around this area. Even my father had a difficult time handling them; they're quite fierce. Let's hope for the best..."
Iroha: "If you can make such strong youkai into your servants, then you'll be one step closer to Supreme Commander of Youkai!"
Shino: "Yes...!"
Shino: "—Oya? Perfect, youkai have shown themselves. Prince, please be careful around their poison."
(heavenly king appears)
Heavenly King of Heavy Water: "Kukkukku... Found you, Nurarihyon's daughter, Shino. I thought my servant youkai were decreasing in number... Your offensiveness to the eyes must've been passed on from your father."
Shino: "You... What are you!?"
Heavenly King: "As the Heavenly King of Heavy Water, I am Shuten Douji-sama's loyal servant... Kukkukku."
Heavenly King: "Well, there's no meaning in introducing myself..."
Heavenly King: "Because here you'll follow the same fate as your father, who died pathetically, plotted by us oni... Kukkukku."
Shino: "Pathetically... You say? I see, you're the ones who...!! Unforgivable... You oni are beyond redemption!"
Heavenly King: "A mind and body heated by the flames of hatred... Aahh... Shino, you have some nice eyes."
Bashira: "Shino-san! Don't let the oni provoke you! Please leave this to us, make sure you receive a blood compact from the youkai!"
Shino: "Is that... so... I merely inherited father's will... Revenge has no meaning..."
(end)
Heavenly King: "—Gahaah!? Im... impossible...!! For I to be defeated by mere humans...! Gu, uugh..."
Soldier: "The Heavenly King of Heavy Water has begun to escape! Shall we pursue...?"
Katie: "No, it's meaningless to rush out in pursuit! We can grasp the enemy's escape route later. Straightening out our forces is the first order of business."
Anna: "You're right. Oh... Huh...? Shino-san? It seems Shino-san is not here..."
Shino's Servant Kappa: "Shino-sama has gone ahead alone..."
Shino's Servant Kappa: "She said she was going to take Shuten Douji's head... We tried to stop her, but... Forgive us."
Katie: "Running off to Shuten Douji alone...!? She's being too rash!"
Anna: "Prince, let's hurry and follow after Shino-san! Kappa-san, please lead the way!"
Shino's Servant Kappa: "Aye!"
Mortal Enemy, Shuten Douji (90/12) (仇敵、酒呑童子):
Blood Compact V (x4), Blood Compact III (x2), Rainbow Fairy () Story:
Shino: "At last, I found you... Shuten Douji. Now, I shall avenge father..."
Shuten Douji: "Avenge father, you say? ... That youki... I see!? You're Nurarihyon's daughter."
Shuten Douji: "Meh, youkai are all fools. You're no match for me, yet you come attack from the front... You'll also be struck down the same as your damn old man—"
Shino: "—Silence, you're merely an oni..."
Shuten Douji: "Wha!? I can't see her!? I feel no presence, either... What is the meaning of—"
Shino: "... Farewell."
Shuten Douji: "Gu... a... aa... W, when did you... before my bosom..."
Anna: "Shino-san!! ... Thank goodness, it looks like she's safe."
Hien: "Hm...!? Rolling beneath Shino-dono's feet... D, don't tell me!"
Shino: "... I'm terribly sorry for going off ahead, Prince. However, as you can see, I have taken Shuten Douji's head."
Shino: "All that's left is to exterminate the oni remnants before I'm finished. Prince, please lend me your strength to the end!"
Shuten Douji's Head: "..."
(mid-battle)
Shuten Douji's Head: "Kukkukkuh..."
Shuten Douji's Head: "You thought you killed me by lopping off my heeeaaad!?"
Anna: "Hii...! H, his head... Shuten Douji's head is speaking...!"
Shuten Douji's Head: "You lottt... I'll never forgive yooouuu...!!"
(end)
Shuten Douji's Head: "Curse it all... I can't fight seriously separated from my body like I am..."
Shuten Douji's Head: "Can't be helped... Listen well, Four Heavenly Kings! We'll retreat for now!"
Heavenly King of Heavy Water: "Y, yes, Shuten Douji-sama! R, retreat at once!"
Shuten Douji's Head: "Oi!! You damned fool! Bring back my head as well, why don't you!? Right now I don't have a body, sympathise with me a bit!"
Heavenly King: "H, hiiii...!? I, I have no excuse!!"
Anna: "The oni have started to retreat... Somehow, we managed to win."
Shino: "I can't believe he can live with just his head... Is he immortal...?"
Katie: "I don't think there's any doubt you delivered a mortal wound. Shuten Douji was clearly weakened as just a body... Besides, he can't do anything right now as a head."
Shino: "It would be nice if that were true, but..."
Shino's Servant Kappa: "Shino-sama—! I collected a bunch of blood compacts! This many allies is enough to set up even a Hyakki Yagyou!!"
Shino: "Ooh, is that true...!? For me to come this far is all thanks to the Prince. I truly do not have words to express my gratitude..."
Shino: "There is distance between humans and youkai. It'll be the shame of my clan if I don't repay the favour... Prince, if there's anything troubling you in the future, please send a request to me by all means."
Shino: "Well then, everyone. We'll return to the place youkai ought to exist. Let us meet again when I'm the Youkai Supreme Commander!"
Majin Agares's Fragment (100/2) (魔陣アガレスの残片):
Gold Fairy (50, 100 first drop), Platinum Fairy (10, 100 first drop), Black Fairy (5, 100 first drop), Completion: Rainbow Fairy Story:
Anna: "Thanks to Shino-san, the youkai in the oriental countries are also starting to be more orderly."
Kagerou: "That said, the youkai that aren't Shino's servants are still attacking humans. Don't say this ends everything... Hm? Who's there!?"
Onibashu: "—Nothing I can do about being noticed. No, our strength has become strong to the point that it's a simple matter of being noticed... Fufufu."
Kagerou: "What is residing within those bodies of yours this time...?"
Onibashu: "Hoh... Looks like you're sensing the fragments of Majin Agares we've taken into our bodies..."
Anna: "Fragments of Majin Agares!? That means, don't tell me...!"
Onibashu: "Even if you understood, it's too late! We of the Onibashu, with the Majin's power, will mince your bodies!"
(end)
Onibashu: "Prince... Strong as always. Even with the power of Majin Agares, we cannot defeat you..."
Kagerou: "Honestly... You're too easily swayed by power. Obsessing over power like that has no meaning..."
Onibahime: "—How dare you speak to us like that. The meaning of fighting is a matter that we should decide."
Onibashu: "Onibahime-sama! Were you watching this fight?"
Onibahime: "Of course. ... By my calculations, your power has reached sufficient levels based on this fight."
Onibashu: "Th, then... at last!?"
Onibahime: "... Opportunity has ripened. The time of the decisive battle is drawing near..."
"Prince! It's me, Thelma! I'm terribly sorry for suddenly barging into your office. However, this is an emergency...!"
"A large army of Makai Ants has begun to invade the kingdom's territory...!"
"I've been visiting the valley many times until now to collect alchemy ingredients, but I've never seen so many Makai Ants before..."
"Before, there was that big incident where the men from the Prince's army were charmed, but I was sure we defeated the queen back then... Ever since then, the activity of the Makai Ants had quieted down..."
"For them to explode into these numbers this rapidly, the only thing that comes to mind is that a new queen has appeared."
"... Eh? If that is the case, then the Prince may be bombarded by the queen's pheromones again...?"
"In regards to that, please rest easy!"
"Cyrus-san and Barbastraff-san have successfully analysed the pheromones of the queen ant that we defeated!"
"And based on that, I created antibodies, so this time you won't be controlled by the Makai Ant's queen. All of the men, and the Prince, will be able to fight."
"... Understood. We'll form a subjugation team, OK? Very well, I would very much appreciate it if you also bring me along."
"My drugs created from alchemy can soften the hard shells of the Makai Ants, so I believe my presence would be a boon to you!"
"—Oops, before that, shall I explain the important details about the upcoming battle?"
"The battle this time will be a 'Great Subjugation Mission' where the goal is to defeat as many enemies as possible."
"Great Subjugation Missions are different from regular missions in many ways, so please pay attention."
"First off, the goal is to just 'defeat the enemy'."
"Meaning, defeating the enemy is more important than preventing the casualties of our own allies."
"Furthermore, you'll clear this mission even if your life reaches zero, and the number of enemies you defeated will be tallied in the final results."
"So, please think about how to defeat as many enemies as possible without fear of being wounded."
"Another thing, due to the fact that we're acting against the enemy army's sudden invasion, you can't deploy your forces like you normally could."
"Our deployment cost won't regenerate over time, so please don't forget to bring units with the skill of 'request reinforcements, or Valkyries as your team members."
"Also, even if you defeat the enemy, you won't receive any EXP, gold, or drops, so please make sure you keep this point in mind, OK?"
"That brings the explanation regarding the battle to an end."
"Also, umm, Prince... Actually, there's a report that monsters are also mingling within the Makai Ant's large army."
"... Yes, it's as you guessed, they're all male monsters."
"The enemy army consists of an intermix of Makai Ants and male monsters, so I think it's safe to assume this will be a very fierce battle, but I fully believe the Prince will emerge victorious!"
"With that, let's sally forth, Prince! 'Great Subjugation Mission' Start!"
Every 100: Crystal Fragment (0~2000)
Every 200: Crystal Fragment (2001~10,000)
1000: Gold Small Spirit of Blessing Alegría
2000: Platinum Fairy
3000: Black Fairy
4000: Gold Fairy
5000: Platinum Fairy
6000: Black Fairy
7000: Gold Fairy
8000: Platinum Fairy
9000: Black Fairy
10,000: Rainbow Fairy
Vivian (ビビアン): Auto Step (オートステップ): (30s; gives max attack and defence; skill automatic; AS: ; WT: ; CT: 25) Last Dance (ラストダンス): (30s; range 2x; gives max attack and defence; changes to 'アンコールダンス' afterwards; AS: ; WT: ; CT: 30) Encore Dance (アンコールダンス): (30s; range 2x; gives max attack and defence; skill can only be used once per battle; AS: ; WT: ; CT: 30) Voluptuous Body (わがままボディ): self: cost+3, but attack and defence+15%.
The new plat unit is unquestionably powerful, most likely ending up in S tier. Whether she's worth rolling for depends on how upset you'd be rolling Shirley's cute but questionably useful ass instead(or you know, a silver).
Vivian[Dancer]
+: Auto-skill form has potential but will be difficult to use due to limited range and variable activation timing; her SAW is only two uses but incredibly strong with ballistic range(340) and an extended duration that makes her synergize heavily with units like Elizabeth, Margaret and Reanbell.
-: Comes at a higher cost than other dancers due to her passive; both her skill and SAW are quite distinct and have some form of limitation.
Synergies: First skill with rearguard tactician, multi-hit/multi-target/AoE/fast ASPD allies with long duration skills, has a combo with B. Iris like Marnie but for 30 seconds.
Majin Viability: Too early to call
I'll add her officially when I've seen her in action for myself.
340 range
30 second duration and 30 second cooldown
100% of her current stats applied to units within range
Still retains low-cost status despite being 10-cost max
This is far better than using Uzume or any damage amp skill because a dancer adds their defense to units as well. You are getting an offensive and a defensive utility skill packed into one unit. Not only that, it can scale better depending on the quality of units you have (Biris, multi-shot/hit, rapidfire). The higher duration is also a great part of her skill because it allows for some buffer time to activate other skills, as well as allowing for some synergy for skills that last longer than 20 seconds.
Yes, Uzume's skill is global, but it does not offer flexibility and speed that Vivian offers due to her SAW's cooldown. It also may be limited in uses but, in general, two uses is sufficient some players' needs. If a player needs more than 2 uses, then Marnie exists for a reason. Vivian is there for the short-term (with better applications) battles or for quick uses in succession, while Marnie is there for the long and drawn out fights. Vivian should see plenty of use because switching units around after fulfilling their duty is a normal occurrence in harder difficulties.
Vivian won't overstay her welcome in a lot of fights. Being limited to two uses should make it easier for some players to switch her out for a different unit that needs the deployment slot.
15% extra stats is an okay part of her ability. Some people think it's the best part of her design, but it's just okay because it's 15% more of average stats. It's not a remarkable difference, but an increase in numbers is acceptable.
Too much watch a video...
Stuck with other people formation
No creativity~
While it's true most of it Thanks to the Black FKG
I'm very sure I don't have unit other people own , vice versa
And there must be / Exist a way to cleared it without Fiore
You guys are looking at Vivian through completely different eyes than I am. She looks awful. An uncontrollable skill and a two-use SAW don't give me the impression of a good dancer, despite any boosts to range or stats she might have.
You guys are looking at Vivian through completely different eyes than I am. She looks awful. An uncontrollable skill and a two-use SAW don't give me the impression of a good dancer, despite any boosts to range or stats she might have.
They are measuring her for very high requirement (I refuse to say difficult) maps were u need a lot of power at 1 or 2 specific times, not for blind runs, subjugations or things like that.
You guys are looking at Vivian through completely different eyes than I am. She looks awful. An uncontrollable skill and a two-use SAW don't give me the impression of a good dancer, despite any boosts to range or stats she might have.
I assume that's because you haven't used dancers much. look at this video of lv15 amon:
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marnie skill was activated 4 times before she was withdrawn, and marnie is the type of dancer where you want to activate her skill twice asap. her skill lasts 18s with a 40s reuse (28 with rearguard), so skill is up 39% of the time (18/46).
Vivian's would be twice for 30s with 30s reuse (21 with rearguard) which would be skill up 58% of the time (30/51).
In the video, miruno was withdrawn halfway through skill in order to deploy chydis on the left side to support cornelia, but vivian could've been removed earlier in place of miruno (not the best example, since this required prior knowledge of the player actually removing marnie instead of miruno to deploy chydis previously)
as for vivian's normal skill, it's kind of meant to pair up with 1~3 units and increasing their dps 58% of the time (uptime is her strength compared to other dancers here, as well as additional stats)
in general, I think I'd like marnie more, because low cost, but I can see how vivian would be good. also, marnie range during skill is 170 x1.5 = 255, vs vivian's 170 x2 = 340 during skill AW. This allows a lot more units to be buffed during skill use when the map has slightly issues with placing for dancers. (340 range vs 255 range is almost like a slightly longer ranged pirate vs archer difference in coverage)
30s Duration
Low cooldown
Ballistic range (340)
Higher base stats means stronger effect
Cons:
Two-use SAW
Higher cost
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Auto-skill regular skill
With her SAW, she is effectively a full minute of a massive ATK/DEF boost to everyone within 340 range that is compartmentalized into 30s each. For tough stuff, the features that make her invaluable are her very long range, her low cooldown and the 30s duration. The huge range means she can effect tons of units at once, far more than Marnie or any dancer unit can, and is also really safe - for example, she could easily hide outside of Agares's range, while Marnie has to be placed very aggressively to boost everyone. The low cooldown means she will almost certainly be up for anything a stage throws at you. The duration is a huge boon for the units I mentioned before(Elizabeth, Magaret, Reanbell) in addition to a large host of others, and is long enough for it to cover defense skill downtimes like Mireille, Deine and Gellius so that they do not get blown up with their skills off.
To ease doubts of her viability because of the two usage thing, think of Uzume's skill, often considered one of the best support skills. Her regular skill has a duration of 20s, but features a lengthy initial and CD. Her SAW has a duration of 15s and a scaling modifier with a lessened CD and initial. In both cases, with a rearguard, to match Vivian's total duration would take over four minutes of sequential skill use assuming you clicked Uzume immediately every time possible - but that will rarely be the case and it would often exceed five minutes. And while Uzume's skill is certainly powerful, the impact it has by itself is actually quite small compared to Vivian.
tl;dr: Compares favorably to one of the game's best support skills.
As for the comparison to Marnie, she will generally have more staying power in very long stages(generally I'd say the normal maximum of uses is five for a difficult stage, so about 90s uptime, but a more realistic number would be two-three for most things, 36-54s uptime), but she has a weaker synergy with 30s duration units, must be placed far more aggressively and lacks the overwhelming range and larger initial bump of stats that Marnie needs to work up to(occasionally by wasting a skill use). I don't mean to rag on Marnie, I have a mincost one after all, but that Vivian has more than one upside in comparison to one of the game's best platinum units in one of the game's best classes means she's quite strong in her own right.
tl;dr: Marnie has her place, but so does Vivian.
Re: the auto-skill, it's actually really nice for afk's and subjugation if you can get her within range of more than one unit. I wouldn't be surprised to see some videos making creative abuse of it.
I already acknowledged this within the message you are responding to:
People can do what they want with their resources, I'm not here to stop them, and it's not like I could even if I really, really wanted to because of some sociopathic form of OCD that made me go into a murderous frenzy every time something doesn't go my way.
Here's my thought process, for the record: If it was a newbie or a player without Anya that isn't crazy op, I'd generally recommend farming Anya because she excels at combating a lot of the problems newbies face - farming mid-tier event stages, dailies, and so on. The reasons I stated things the way I did is because I know larcx has a copy of Anya, an advanced team with a good number of blacks and probably a mincost Hibari because he is p2p. This wasn't advice given to a f2p newbie, but an advanced spending player. If he wants to ignore me for the sake of a second dragon waifu he is free to do so and probably already has anyway. It's not gonna tear me up inside - I too have wasted resources leveling units I never use, including some gacha blacks(hi Farne).
As a response to a related subject about newbies/a bit of an offtopic aside:
I think you will find that a lot more players care about the apparent strength of units and their importance in endgame content then you'd think. On the various Discord serves I'm on, even newbies take some form of interest, regardless of how far away they are from fighting a majin. People will think twice about leveling a dupe of a really expensive unit that mostly excels only in easier stages if that fact is pointed out to them.
Sometimes they may care about power level even if they secretly desire to have a team filled with Hina's and Aisha's.
My counterargument to this is that the kind of resources and time put into farming a Time Fairy during limited and rare appearance events, especially in lieu of other limited events like the black collection unit that's available now, is a punishing cost compared to spending 300k and a few orbs that are easily obtainable in comparison.
I mean, I suppose you could use a TF they give you for free, but generally speaking Anya's SAW is serviceable for almost any scenario she could normally be used in when compared to her regular skill. Like Hibari, Anya is a tanky sweeper. If she can't sweep the mobs with her SAW due to lack of durability, it's very unlikely she'll suffice as a sweeper without her damage boost against the same enemies that kill her. The exceptions to this will be very few. As a result I'd still say it's wasteful to put in the resources leveling two of them, especially when we also have Hibari.
"For fun," is a much more realistic and believable argument at that point.
Most black tanks and some plat tanks are just as tanky or tankier even with Anya's % damage reduction. This is because flat defense can reach extraordinary numbers because B. Iris is cancer. If an enemy starts hitting above 10k in some majin stage, most tanks will die. The exceptions are AW Prince, Sarah, Mireille and Olivia. Through some mad science you may be able to get Anya to survive - somehow, but if you do a whole host of other tanks will be able to survive as well - and many of those tanks will have better sustained usage/uptimes or superior ability to tank magic[Sophie, Cornelia, Hibari, etc.].
Now you could make the 'without B. Iris argument', but then Anya's thresholds fall significantly as well.
