Blogspot removing all Hentai blogs

[Hkid]

Re: Blogspot removing all Hentai blogs

Shad owns at least two domains of his own though, kick him off tumblr and he'll be just fine. It's people who depend on the good graces of google or yahoo for their whole online presence who are in trouble.

I have a domain reselling account and I can host small sites if anyone wants to make the jump give me a shout at hentaikid at gmail.com I can fix you up

 

[mayaktheunholy]

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This is just my opinion/speculation, but I think this has more to do with Google's anti-spam and anti-piracy policies than anything to do with censorship. I think this is actually just a move to stop all the pirate porn blogs, where they are making money off of a filehost with an affiliate program.

I don't think they are targeting H-game developers.

Of course, we will just have to wait and see. Personally, I'll switch to Wordpress or get a domain if I have to.

 

[ombre vengeresse]

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I do not believe in that. Google prefers to make money than to close thousands of blogs like this.

 

[HentaiWriter]

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I do not believe in that. Google prefers to make money than to close thousands of blogs like this.

Just to note, Google has a long history of ruining themselves on projects they "absorb".

Basically 1st party Google stuff (made in-house at Google) gets the best care, is well done, so forth.

Websites created elsewhere and then bought out by Google are generally ran horribly, in all senses of the word.

YouTube is a pinnacle of this example; over the past 5 years, the site has literally removed countless useful features for both video producers and video watchers, and added a host of completely useless features for everyone involved.

The site's algorithms have also been reworked to essentially screw themselves (as in, google is screwing itself) out of millions if not billions of dollars of ad revenue, because no one at Google has any idea what the actual audience and creators on YouTube want.

I could write an entire post on this, but this isn't the place/time for that, but yeah, considering Blogger falls in the latter category, I'm gonna go with "google has no idea what they're doing with this" just like with YouTube and so many other 3rd party brands they've absorbed.

 

[SoED]

Re: Blogspot removing all Hentai blogs

I made a post about this yesterday ( http://www.ulmf.org/bbs/showthread.php?t=26900 ), I guess it got overlooked because people don't check stuff outside of the Hentai boards often.

I included some extra info from the Google Support team that answers a lot of the questions here, but I'll elaborate more now in responses to quoted posts.


The one other big note is that the support team said that new images posted to blogs will be treated the same way as new blogs - so posting new sexually explicit images (after March 23rd) might get your blog banned.

Does anyone know if this policy could negatively affect adult blogs on Google search results?

Google is essentially removing adult content links from Blooger to the web - this doesn't just apply to images; they're eventually likely to block adult blogs from their search results. It's not just a Google trend, either - it's now becoming the industry standard. The massive legal clusterfuck about pornography that's happening worldwide right now (the last 10 years) is screwing with all forms of big business.

Expect that soon (the next 10 years) there will be two internets - an adult-friendly network of websites, and an anti-adult network of websites. By "anti-adult", I mean that you can host only some adult content, and that it will be invisible to search results, difficult to access, etc. Various laws about all types (real and fictional, various kinks) have been getting more restrictive and imposing new criminal penalties all over the world.

They are baiscally trying to remove real pornography, but anyone who read the damn mail would realize that artistic porn (aka games) could be unaffected by this. Of course I am not offering a legal opinion on this, but I think its a whole big much ado about nothing.

Kind of like how someone got all scared that his income was going to go back to $0 when patreon was going to cut off all the pron stuff right?

These cases aren't the same. It's easiest for Google to say "We're making all images private" and globally enforce that using automation. It's a clear-cut thing that has little effect on their bottom line, because Google doesn't make a ton of cash from porn ads. Arguably, Google would loe more revenue from legal management issues than they'd earn from ads on adult blogs. That's why they're making the change.

For Patreon to ban adult content, they'd be losing a chunk of their base revenue, and they wouldn't have an easily automated means of identifying the content. It's riskier and less rewarding for Patreon to ban adult content than it is for google to ban all adult images.

I'm expecting that Google's policy shift will eventually be to something like "If your blog includes images that involve nudity, you have to clear your blog with us first to get approval." The main reason for that is that "artistic nudity" is a class of content that is increasingly coming under scrutiny in non-US countries; and Google is a global brand.

Honestly, after reading the e-mail, a lot of it sounds pretty vague. There's a lot of "may"s thrown in there. Besides, as long as you don't have actual pictures/screenshots or whatever, you could still use it for development updates or something.

Yes, one option is to remove all images and hope that no one reports your blog for linking to a place that has adult images or games that contain adult images. Personally, I think it makes more sense to divorce your content from Google and find a platform that not only allows you total creative freedom, but also gives you the option to earn ad revenue (e.g. from an affiliate link to DLSite or something).

"sexually explicit" or "graphic nude images or video". Artistic = value on artistic merit alone where sexuality is not the primary function of the visuals. It includes hentai, lol.

note that I got it and I have only hentai on mine, sooo yeah, it's hentai.

True, but a lot of what people like to update with IS images/screenshots to show visual progress, etc.

I'm pretty sure that everyone whose blog/account is marked as NSFW got the email.

You're right about the "artistic" definition not excluding hentai from the "pornography" and "sexually explicit" content classes.

So what alternatives left are there besides tumblr? I've been interested in starting h-dev for a while but not if those who follow me have to have an account just to see if I updated.

I've actually contacted pretty much every h-developer I know who is using blogspot in the past few hours.

I was hoping to start a new community that would allow H-developers to host their content without the restrictions, and help them kickstart, advertise and promote their projects. It would also contain things like forums, easy ways to give feedback, tutorials for people who want to produce their own art/games/erotic smut.

If you're interested at all feel free to email me at [email protected] and I'll add you to the conversation.

Tumblr doesn't allow a lot of stuff (Loli, bestiality, guro, etc), I was looking for a blog that does and was hoping that was Blogspot. Hmm. Probably have to go to some foreign blog/art site at this rate.

no guro on tumblr...
there goes another one.

What about fc2 blogs? I know eluku and pixel factory use them. The only person I heard of ever getting shutdown(I think) was the Nanocrisis/ Hounds of the Blades guy.

Gore is forbidden by the

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Loli content would probably run afoul of the "harm to minors" rule.

Well Kyrieru has his own domain and Vosmug is on WordPress so I guess they'll still be safe, for now at least.

Dang I really like blogspot. It is unfortunate.

There are sites like kinky-blogging that would allow basically anything that's legal, but they lack a lot of typical blog tools.


I actually sent a PM to HentaiWriter yesterday to ask to chat in private about ideas that would have touched on the topic of adult content hosting and communities, but he didn't respond.

Anyway, part of what I was going to propose is that we use reddit as a platform. They're notoriously/famously free-speech oriented. Their only content rules are "nothing illegal" and "nothing that sexualizes minors". While "sexualizing minors" might be expanded to include images of hentai (loli) in the future, it only seems to apply to things like real girls in bikinis and erotic poses at the moment. (I researched reddit's rules at length before).

I started a subreddit specifically for H-game content in development, but I haven't set it up yet. If you guys want to turn that into an active community, I'm down with it. I've done some light/low-level moderating on reddit before, so I can set up the Wiki, work on the automoderator, etc.

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Wordpress is more censorship-oriented than Blogger is, so I recommend not shifting to them.

Tumblr allows a lot of images, but it bans anything that people regard as harmful - and that definition is constantly expanding. I don't recommend going with them for the long-term, but it's at least a temporary solution for people who don't post about guro/ryona and such.

Content platforms engines also have rules, so your best bet is to make your own site using hand-made code.

Even if you make your own webpage code, though, you still have to find a domain hoster that allows the kind of content that you want to upload - which is rare.

Kinky-blogging allows basically any content and allows you to make money from your site via ads, webshops, etc. But you cna only use very simple wordpress-style tools.

I suggested reddit because it's the next most functional thing to a privately owned website or privately-owned webforum.

 

[FruitSmoothie]

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That's the problem with Tumblr and a lot of sites, their vagueness. It's intentional so they can freely pick and choose what they want to delete/remove. They try to get people to censor themselves.

For an H artist, you're constantly questioning if your work will cross a non determined line, it's a really shitty feeling. You like drawing porn? Well, unless you only draw tall, huge breasted ladies, you won't know where the line is before someone decides it's loli. Draw a character that's a little too short or that has breasts a little too small one day and there goes your account, it's fucked up.

Even removing the fact that it's all completely works of fiction and no real people are being harmed, they act like there are no short or small breasted women in reality. What, you're not allowed to enjoy viewing the female body unless they have breasts the size of their head? I sure feel for short, small/flat breasted legal ladies irl who are basically being told that their body isn't considered woman-like. Imagine if you couldn't post drawings of men/male characters unless they had huge dicks without it being considered shota or pedophilia, that sure wouldn't make you feel too great about your smaller dick.

The bestiality thing is just about as bad, when does a monster become bestiality? Is it if you only draw them in a realistic style and they resemble an actual animal? Who knows, it's up to some random assholes that day to choose what stays and what goes.


I'd actually rather sites not allow any adult content than that inbetween/vague crap. Either say no adult content at all, or take a stand allow it all and let adults choose what they're comfortable viewing. I know they usually do it just to try to avoid any legal problems, but damn, it sucks. So many cowards. As usual, we penalize everybody because there are a few fucked up people out there.


...Is why I stopped using Tumblr Seen too many great artists have their accounts banned for the silliest reasons. I think the worst part is that you can have work up for months/years with no issues, and then a single douchebag reporting it out of nowhere can get your account removed. Whenever a single person or a small group of people have that much control/power over others, it's never a good thing.

 

[SoED]

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I sure feel for short/small breasted legal ladies irl who are basically being told that their body isn't considered woman-like. Imagine if you couldn't post drawings of men unless they had huge dicks without it being considered shota, that sure wouldn't make you feel too great about your smaller dick.

That's a great example that needs to be preserved for posterity.

I'd actually rather sites not allow any adult content than that inbetween/vague crap. Either say no adult content at all, or take a stand allow it all and let adults choose what they're comfortable viewing.

I agree. It's not impossible to set up a site that allows a broad range of content in a way that's legal and likely to remain legal, and it's easy to make a site's terms of use very clearly define what is allowed and what isn't. I'd rather have a site start off with very restrictive rules than make them more restrictive over time - so that I'd know what I was getting into.

I know they usually do it just try to avoid any legal problems, but damn, it sucks. So many cowards.

Though it isn't impossible to set up a fully legal content site, it does require hosting content overseas (in unstable economic areas with little legal recourse), or constant contact with government overseers. The economic costs of allowing pornography are increasing by the day. No global business brand that isn't targeting pornography as its content type can financially justify combating it to their shareholders.

This trend started with advertising revenue and new legal rules about 20 years ago, and signs point ot it either not slowing down or actually speeding up.

As usual, we penalize everybody because there are a few fucked up people out there that can't tell the difference between fiction and reality.

I think that's oversimplifying it. It's not about people who can't tell the difference, it's about the psychological problem of expectancy of negative consequences. People fear what they don't understand, fear being associated with things that other people don't understand, and fear being seen as doing nothing to prevent harm. Unless a massive global shift in opinion about "unusual" erotic content happens (the way it has been happening with homosexuality), we're likely to continue to see increasing restrictiveness.

It's not about censorship - or even about reality vs fantasy - it's about what provides the least amount of legal difficulty to businesses and what provides the most amount of political points to politicians/judges/police/etc.

They don't really care how real or fictional something is or how likely it actually is to contribute to any real-world harm. Look at the "videogames make people violent" legal fight. It's the same thing. The "violence" argument was won because videogames were played by more people than the number of people who didn't understand them, and a lot of people threw a lot of money at the "violence" argument in order to make it go away (legally speaking).

The same would have to happen for "unusual" erotic content. And that's just not going to happen.

 

[HentaiWriter]

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I actually sent a PM to HentaiWriter yesterday to ask to chat in private about ideas that would have touched on the topic of adult content hosting and communities, but he didn't respond.

To note, I didn't reply to this because I'm basically running around doing like 20 things I don't have much time to talk about anything besides the little time I get to make posts on the forum, unfortunately.

 

[SoED]

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To note, I didn't reply to this because I'm basically running around doing like 20 things I don't have much time to talk about anything besides the little time I get to make posts on the forum, unfortunately.

I get that. I mentioned the PM as evidence that this is something that's been on my mind since before the Blogger announcement.

Edit: Just to be clearer; I didn't mean it as a dig at you or anything. Random contact with a stranger is naturally low on the list of priorities for someone who doesn't have a lot of money or time. (<- Said in reference to your notes about the threat of homelessness and you working on multiple money-making projects at once.)

 

[azurezero]

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someone's using this to take cheapshots at me as usual, but i finished my tumblr today.

beastiality is hard to define but real world animals that are considered to be less intelligent than humans are usually the case...otherwise mass effect could be considered it with the interspecies romance... also what are vampires doing fucking their food?

 

[freeko]

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Did you read this?

Obviously I did, but when did someone's ignorance become an excuse? It is not like there is any time to move to another place or something.

Oh wait, they gave a month's notice which should be more than enough time for anyone who is actually in violation of their amended terms. The way I see it, it is just another one of your much ado about mostly nothing bouts of paranoia.

You, I would think possibly more so than some others, should have a decent grasp over how they word their things. It is obviously in a manner that they can say, oh you violated this gray area thing so your stuff was made private.

Now on the other hand, take someone like me who received the mail solely on the basis that they have a blog that is flagged for being mature content. What exactly do I have to fear? There is nothing that violates any rules because simply there is actually nothing there in the first place.

So much panic and running around saying the sky is falling when.. is it? Certainly does not look like it to me.

 

[Anon42]

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Obviously I did, but when did someone's ignorance become an excuse? It is not like there is any time to move to another place or something.

Oh wait, they gave a month's notice which should be more than enough time for anyone who is actually in violation of their amended terms. The way I see it, it is just another one of your much ado about mostly nothing bouts of paranoia.

You, I would think possibly more so than some others, should have a decent grasp over how they word their things. It is obviously in a manner that they can say, oh you violated this gray area thing so your stuff was made private.

Now on the other hand, take someone like me who received the mail solely on the basis that they have a blog that is flagged for being mature content. What exactly do I have to fear? There is nothing that violates any rules because simply there is actually nothing there in the first place.

So much panic and running around saying the sky is falling when.. is it? Certainly does not look like it to me.

We will certainly give you that. Your empty blog marked as NSFW is 100% safe from Blogger's new terms and it will most certainly not be removed. Congratulations, you made your asinine point that has no relevance to the topic at hand, because we aren't discussing whether or not we can continue using blogger by removing all of our NSFW content. We're discussing where we're going to move our NSFW content so we don't have to be censored and we can continue bringing our work to the public. Now why don't you let the adults who actually have a stake in this discuss their options for the future, hm?

 

[freeko]

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You realize that once I were to have something that merited a blog, it would have gone there. I am sorry you are so short-sighted that you only see how you need to protect yourself and not anything related to how would the next guy start to get exposure for their game.

I probably still could put it there, but I would not be able to put what I wanted there. The long story short is that even you are nothing more than chicken little running around like the sky is falling.

It is not.

Now lets say you made an external link to your pictures instead of having them on blogger directly within the posts. Could blogger do anything about that? Likely not.

I am almost convinced that 75% or more of the people that are in this discussion are completely clueless and simply have to resort to this "sky is falling" mindset since it MIGHT affect them.

Nevermind the obvious in trying to contact someone from blogger or google to go, "hey tell me what is in violation of these new terms?" so that I can make a decision accordingly.

Now you can keep going about saying the sky is falling all you want to, and I wont stop you because I will be too busy laughing at how ignorant of any facts relating to this policy change are.

Again ignorance is not an excuse. Instead of just jumping to a conclusion with no factual basis, try actually doing some fact finding instead?

 

[HentaiWriter]

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Obviously I did

No, you didn't, lol.

Now lets say you made an external link to your pictures instead of having them on blogger directly within the posts. Could blogger do anything about that? Likely not.

YouTube will ban you for links to external sites that violate its TOS, even if said content is not on YouTube itself. So yes, they can and will.

I am almost convinced that 75% or more of the people that are in this discussion are completely clueless and simply have to resort to this "sky is falling" mindset since it MIGHT affect them.

I am 100% convinced you haven't read any of the posts you're replying to.

Nevermind the obvious in trying to contact someone from blogger or google to go, "hey tell me what is in violation of these new terms?" so that I can make a decision accordingly.

No one from Google or Blogger will ever respond to any questions; having had friends who've worked at google, they can confirm that unless you bring in about a million or so hits a month on your content, they will literally ignore your questions.

Now you can keep going about saying the sky is falling all you want to, and I wont stop you because I will be too busy laughing at how ignorant of any facts relating to this policy change are.

Yes, you definitely are more informed than people who have worked directly with this kind of content censorship or have friends/family who directly work with it, absolutely.

Again ignorance is not an excuse.

Might want to take your own advice there.

Instead of just jumping to a conclusion with no factual basis, try actually doing some fact finding instead?

We have done fact finding. It's been all over the topic. You've ignored it.

 

[Anon42]

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You realize that once I were to have something that merited a blog, it would have gone there. I am sorry you are so short-sighted that you only see how you need to protect yourself and not anything related to how would the next guy start to get exposure for their game.

I probably still could put it there, but I would not be able to put what I wanted there. The long story short is that even you are nothing more than chicken little running around like the sky is falling.

It is not.

Now lets say you made an external link to your pictures instead of having them on blogger directly within the posts. Could blogger do anything about that? Likely not.

I am almost convinced that 75% or more of the people that are in this discussion are completely clueless and simply have to resort to this "sky is falling" mindset since it MIGHT affect them.

Nevermind the obvious in trying to contact someone from blogger or google to go, "hey tell me what is in violation of these new terms?" so that I can make a decision accordingly.

Now you can keep going about saying the sky is falling all you want to, and I wont stop you because I will be too busy laughing at how ignorant of any facts relating to this policy change are.

Again ignorance is not an excuse. Instead of just jumping to a conclusion with no factual basis, try actually doing some fact finding instead?

My bad, you're right. I shouldn't even consider the fact that this could affect me, it's much smarter to sit around and do nothing.

Let me get this straight, buddy. None of us are pretending the sky is falling down, that's a notion that you, on your own, planted on this thread. What we are doing is being smart and proactive about this. IF the worst of this content policy change comes to fruition, they are going to be either removing all adult content (including hentai) or hiding it from search engines. As mentioned before, multiple times, that's a huge dent to our exposure, and for those of us hoping to make a living off of this, that's a big deal. Now yes, there's a very real chance that it won't be that bad. It could only affect real pornography, or specific kinks, or anything like that. It's certainly possible. But in the event that it doesn't, we don't want to be caught with our figurative pants pulled down. Do you understand that? Are these words getting through to you?

Creative work of any kind lives or dies by exposure, and this just happens to be how many of us make our living. If you don't like that.. well, go suck a dick.

 

[barreytor]

Re: Blogspot removing all Hentai blogs

So, we're screwed out of major blog hosts and either find some small thing, or host by ourselves?
I think I'll just be creating that Reddit account for now.

 

[SoED]

Re: Blogspot removing all Hentai blogs

So, we're screwed out of major blog hosts and either find some small thing, or host by ourselves?
I think I'll just be creating that Reddit account for now.

The great thing about reddit is that I can give every project its own Wiki page and give each person access only to their own page. And I can use CSS to create permanent links to each Wiki page from a custom bar/area the subreddit's landing page. It's a lot easier to manage public presentation by having a single Wiki page with an extremely high character limit and a lot of styling options + game-specific threads (rather than a blog that users have to sort through post hierarchies to find content in).

If people are really up for the idea, I can put together a basic framework within just a few days, including spoiler tags, posts highlighted by type, and stuff like that.

I can also set it so that only people who are known to the community can make posts/comments that are visible. Everyone else has to have their posts/comments individually approved. That should cut down on the trolling and spam that is visible to everyone. It would mean a lot of moderation duty, though, so I wouldn't want to be the only one handling that aspect.

 

[DarkFire1004]

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I would just like to say that, while he's written it in a very confrontational, and thus moderator-attracting, way, Freeko did bring up a decent point that wasn't really worth escalating over. Of course, I realize that I don't develop content, so I'm nowhere near the demographic most affected by this, and thus not as concerned as I should be. I think you guys are approaching it correctly, in finding new avenues in case worse comes to worst.

If people really need more clarification about the policy change, as soED said, there have already been numerous posts on their official forums about it, where actual staff have explicitly said that

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More important is this quickly devolving discussion. Freeko, I really don't think you're in a position to argue so abrasively, especially since, as you've admitted, this likely won't even affect you. I'm not saying that your opinion is right or wrong, because you certainly weren't repeating your "sky is falling" mantra over and over on page one, and were actually making a coherent and sound counterpoint at some point, but you need to realize that literally nobody escalated the discussion beyond harmless speculation until this:

When will you understand that it was a chain letter sent to probably a grand total of literally everyone that has their blogs flagged for mature content?

I have a blog and flagged it for mature content.

Want to know what is on that blog?

ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!

Guess who got a letter too.. thats right. I did.

Nobody, including you, was even doing anything before that post other than 1. Voicing their disappointment over Blogger, 2. Announcing that they would just move to another site, and 3. talking about the details of the policy. It was literally YOU that painted them with the "sky is falling" imagery. But that's beside the point. If the h-devs feel that this is something worth taking extra precautions over, then let them be. It's really no skin off your bones, and it's certainly worth the extra effort on their part to secure their livelihood.

So everybody just chill.

(Seriously, you said "sky is falling" like three times in that last post. You really couldn't think of any other way to describe it?)

 

[Onyxdime]

Re: Blogspot removing all Hentai blogs

Nobody, including you, was even doing anything before that post other than 1. Voicing their disappointment over Blogger, 2. Announcing that they would just move to another site, and 3. talking about the details of the policy. It was literally YOU that painted them with the "sky is falling" imagery. But that's beside the point. If the h-devs feel that this is something worth taking extra precautions over, then let them be. It's really no skin off your bones, and it's certainly worth the extra effort on their part to secure their livelihood.

So everybody just chill.

(Seriously, you said "sky is falling" like three times in that last post. You really couldn't think of any other way to describe it?)

'Captain Rational Middleground' saves the day again!

All joking aside there have been elements of productive discussion here and there in this thread if we keep hammering away we'll properly identify any problems and find a solution.

I'll check out that subreddit when I get back home

 

[SoED]

Re: Blogspot removing all Hentai blogs

'Captain Rational Middleground' saves the day again!

All joking aside there have been elements of productive discussion here and there in this thread if we keep hammering away we'll properly identify any problems and find a solution.

I'll check out that subreddit when I get back home

I talked with barreytor about it a bit in PM and I have some ideas for how to organize everything. I'll make a few example posts and work up some very simple CSS to make the ideas clearer. It wouldn't be the CSS design that I'd use if people want to move to the subreddit - that CSS would be more detailed.


Edit: Ok, I slapped together CSS snippets from a bunch of different places just to give some concept examples - such as sidebar info, drop-down menus, color-coded links, wiki pages for individual games in development, etc.

If people want to start using the sub soon, I'll make the CSS look decent and consistent. I'm just tired right now.

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