ACT Guro [D-lis] Night of Revenge / 魔女は復讐の夜に (RJ405582)

[Noble 6]

they're glorified hit sparks, they're not on the same level.

Your character becomes drenched in blood, the more you fight. Bosses even literally explode into blood when they die.
If that mechanic existed in this game, but was pure liquid nut, this would be known as "the semeniest game ever made."
Edit: Nuttiest. It's the nuttiest game ever made.

 

[Mecchi]

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Your character becomes drenched in blood, the more you fight. Bosses even literally explode into blood when they die.
If that mechanic existed in this game, but was pure liquid nut, this would be known as "the semeniest game ever made."
Edit: Nuttiest. It's the nuttiest game ever made.

So we round back to the extremely violent gore aspect, they explode only into blood, not anything else, just blood. There are no bones, giblits, innards, organs; anything of that caliber that explode with it, it's just blood.
The last I remember the bosses exploding into blood was a satisfaction thing in the game, it wasn't actually anything special; but to reiterate there is no dismemberment, or any sort of Fallout bloody mess type shenanigans that happens it's only blood. Let us also not forget that Bloodborne is heavily lovecraftian and not what this game is.

It's just a niche fetish that D-lis has, nothing more, nothing less; the game is Bloodborne inspired, and that's about it. Can't really defend dismembering and impaling someone in such a fashion as "Bloodborne inspired"

 

[Buziol]

So we round back to the extremely violent gore aspect, they explode only into blood, not anything else, just blood. There are no bones, giblits, innards, organs; anything of that caliber that explode with it, it's just blood.
The last I remember the bosses exploding into blood was a satisfaction thing in the game, it wasn't actually anything special; but to reiterate there is no dismemberment, or any sort of Fallout bloody mess type shenanigans that happens it's only blood. Let us also not forget that Bloodborne is heavily lovecraftian and not what this game is.

It's just a niche fetish that D-lis has, nothing more, nothing less; the game is Bloodborne inspired, and that's about it. Can't really defend dismembering and impaling someone in such a fashion as "Bloodborne inspired"

You're right with going back but only because you try to separate two things like they are completely unrelated. That way we can talk to the end of the world and still be in one place
If a thing A is inspired by a thing B, it's only natural that A will try to somewhat mimic the feel of B to some degree (but not go all in or else it would be a copy). It also makes sense to use that logic somewhat in reverse - you choose certain aspects that you want to put in your work (for example let's say you want monsters and gore) and then you choose the existing settings that match your requirements. D-lis chose lovecraftian feel of the bloodborne because it was going to be a fitting theme for the fetishes they would want in the game. Gore is among the ones that wouldn't feel out of place here (it's not a MLP or candyland but a dark place with inquisitors, cultists, undeads and eldritch creatures).

 

[Noble 6]

So we round back to the extremely violent gore aspect, they explode only into blood, not anything else, just blood.

That's literally the definition of gore.
The only other definitions are tracts of land, the division of that land, or acute penetration.

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[MetaSilver]

People primarily base their expectations off of past experiences. Guro is rather niche, so the vast majority of h-games don't have it, regardless of their tone or themes. Even in normal video games, it's not uncommon at all to see games with a "dark tone" that lack particularly graphic violence, such as dismemberment or disembowelment. Yes, maybe it could fit into a dark setting, but that doesn't necessarily mean you'll always find it there, or that you should always expect it. Additionally, Night of Revenge went quite a long time without any guro elements at all, so that would also influence people's expectations, I'd imagine.

I'm not against guro, but I think the implementation leaves something to be desired. Not only are the scenes spread across the game in a seemingly arbitrary fashion, but they tend to be pretty dry as well, as if pointlessly straddling a line between trying to appeal to people who like guro, and trying to avoid alienating people who don't. The result is a handful of scenes that don't seem like they would fully satisfy either party. Furthermore, there's also a concern that enemies (or bosses) that get a guro scene won't get a sex scene, so it feels like the guro scenes deprived players of something better. They're shaping up to be a rather weak element, added in too late to really get the development time and consideration they need.

I don't think people disappointed with the guro are being unreasonable, or that they had unreasonable expectations. I also don't agree with the idea that 'dark themes' is just a single nebulous mass of ideas and concepts and that where you find one 'dark thing' you should always expect to find all the other, vaguely-related 'dark things'. I believe this manner of thinking does Miyazaki's settings and motifs a particular disservice, since the thought he puts into crafting them has more nuance than that.

On a less stuffy note, I have to say that the idea that the guro that should have been in Eluku's games got cosmically displaced to Night of Revenge does seem amusing to me.

 

[npcspaghetti]

Is there anything to do with the girl with black hair other than talk to her 3 times? does it unlock or lead to anything else at the moment? also is there anything i can do with the guy who says he drinks too much outside the bar?

 

[Buziol]

People primarily base their expectations off of past experiences. Guro is rather niche, so the vast majority of h-games don't have it, regardless of their tone or themes. Even in normal video games, it's not uncommon at all to see games with a "dark tone" that lack particularly graphic violence, such as dismemberment or disembowelment. Yes, maybe it could fit into a dark setting, but that doesn't necessarily mean you'll always find it there, or that you should always expect it. Additionally, Night of Revenge went quite a long time without any guro elements at all, so that would also influence people's expectations, I'd imagine.

I'm not against guro, but I think the implementation leaves something to be desired. Not only are the scenes spread across the game in a seemingly arbitrary fashion, but they tend to be pretty dry as well, as if pointlessly straddling a line between trying to appeal to people who like guro, and trying to avoid alienating people who don't. The result is a handful of scenes that don't seem like they would fully satisfy either party. Furthermore, there's also a concern that enemies (or bosses) that get a guro scene won't get a sex scene, so it feels like the guro scenes deprived players of something better. They're shaping up to be a rather weak element, added in too late to really get the development time and consideration they need.

I don't think people disappointed with the guro are being unreasonable, or that they had unreasonable expectations. I also don't agree with the idea that 'dark themes' is just a single nebulous mass of ideas and concepts and that where you find one 'dark thing' you should always expect to find all the other, vaguely-related 'dark things'. I believe this manner of thinking does Miyazaki's settings and motifs a particular disservice, since the thought he puts into crafting them has more nuance than that.

On a less stuffy not, I have to say that the idea that the guro that should have been in Eluku's games got cosmically displaced to Night of Revenge does seem amusing to me.

People are not used to the gore in games simply because most devs are not morons that want to risk the business side of things. Let's take a look at Manhunt or Postal games and how touchy some groups have become due to the very graphic violence they showed. Sometimes the controversy helps the game - but quite often it just results in game being banned from sales all together or being locked behind severe restrictions. Thankfully I live in a country where Manhunt 2 was next to the My Little Pony games and nobody freaked out about it but right behind our western borders is a country where even a historical aspects are censored due to how the might instill violence in people...bleh...

I myself am not a fan of guro in a sexual sense (not in the slightest). For me it's more of a immersion thing - if I see the undead thingies or torture devices with witch hunters, sorry but it's weird that everyone is just going to be horny towards you in a traditional sense. It's more than likely that at least half of the beings (especially the beasts and some hateful madmen) will be actively hostile to you, no matter how hot of a chick you are. That's why I welcome even the most freaky aspects of gore tones - they give a not-so-subtle touch of semi-realism. The violence being all over the place is actually a good idea...problem here is that some concepts are a bit...iffy (best example is the recent butcher cutting off MCs legs and just jerking off - it's like a stupid middleground that makes both guro-haters and guro-lovers unhappy with the result).

People are unreasonable not because they dislike it (everyone's taste is different, right?) but in that they find it hard to believe that guro appeared at all. Dark theme aside, D-lis' previous game with violent ryona was a showcase that they might go that way one day (looks like they expanded the concept into full-on gore on MC). No matter how much anyone discusses if it fits or not, it was bound to happen

 

[rick12]

No matter how much anyone discusses if it fits or not, it was bound to happen

Problem is there is no justification for this happening outside of "lol why not?". You can argue as much as you want about how "gore matters" and if it looks edgy it should include death but bottom line is- you dont go from regular porn(even if its kinda sadistic in tone) to snuff after 30 sex scenes or at least you should not.

 

[Noble 6]

Problem is there is no justification for this happening outside of "lol why not?". You can argue as much as you want about how "gore matters" and if it looks edgy it should include death but bottom line is- you dont go from regular porn(even if its kinda sadistic in tone) to snuff after 30 sex scenes or at least you should not.

You didn't play the first game, did you?
The question was never "will he add gore?" but "when?"
Hell, it was certain once the secret blood room was added like a year or two ago.

 

[Tentalover]

This thread is 197 pages and while the game has gallery to immediately see newest content, I wanted to ask, should you guys move the discussion on this game gore or not to another discussion?

I remember that the moderators have allowed the discussions as it's tangentially related to the game, but it's like succubus heaven "how to mod this and troubleshooting" all over again for me.

I'll just repeat several already posted opinion that "as long as I can dodged it, it's okay."

Just voicing my thoughts.

 

[helltauros]

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Your character becomes drenched in blood, the more you fight. Bosses even literally explode into blood when they die.
If that mechanic existed in this game, but was pure liquid nut, this would be known as "the semeniest game ever made."
Edit: Nuttiest. It's the nuttiest game ever made.

Demon sperm

 

[Tewi]

This thread is 197 pages and while the game has gallery to immediately see newest content, I wanted to ask, should you guys move the discussion on this game gore or not to another discussion?
I remember that the moderators have allowed the discussions as it's tangentially related to the game, but it's like succubus heaven "how to mod this and troubleshooting" all over again for me.

Would there be any point in doing that though? As you said the thread is already 197 pages long so what's more? Another thread would have less discussion and it wouldn't really help preventing new people from bringing up the topic in this thread. Besides, after like 40+ updates most people should know that the newest updates usually comes out in the last few days of the month and the search option should help with finding updates or anything else. Though to be honest I thought the guro discussion was already over a few updates ago. Kinda surprised to see it back again.

I'll just repeat several already posted opinion that "as long as I can dodged it, it's okay."

Same, and honestly I don't get why it is such a problem. The gallery has 54 animations (even more if you count game overs and the 2 scenes not yet implemented on the gallery) of which only 6 are guro. The dev even went out of his way to add a warning so we can avoid it.

 

[Eden7]

Demon sperm

Demon Semen

 

[super_slicer]

Yeah, Demon sperm is too close to Demon's sperm which is already taken.

 

[Mecchi]

You're right with going back but only because you try to separate two things like they are completely unrelated. That way we can talk to the end of the world and still be in one place
If a thing A is inspired by a thing B, it's only natural that A will try to somewhat mimic the feel of B to some degree (but not go all in or else it would be a copy). It also makes sense to use that logic somewhat in reverse - you choose certain aspects that you want to put in your work (for example let's say you want monsters and gore) and then you choose the existing settings that match your requirements. D-lis chose lovecraftian feel of the bloodborne because it was going to be a fitting theme for the fetishes they would want in the game. Gore is among the ones that wouldn't feel out of place here (it's not a MLP or candyland but a dark place with inquisitors, cultists, undeads and eldritch creatures).

True enough, I just look at Bloodborne and equate the blood to giving the player a visceral reaction to what they do and not much more, and as a sort of reward for beating the boss, it wasn't much other than that to be fair. I just find that most of the death animations in this game in particular are tasteless and rather off putting, the one where she gets sucked into the armour actually makes a bit of sense as far as that goes, it's nice that they're just avoidable in the first place. The latest one of these animations however just has me scratching my head, as I would think a few others are; as someone else mentioned earlier, the enemy chops her legs off at the mid thigh and then has a wank, just... What? All that potential for an animation is wasted on that of all things?
It feels like he was attempting to appease both demographics but as well all know, that doesn't always work out for the best; and I think this is a clear cut case of it not working out because it doesn't satisfy either need for gore or the fucking, which is entirely different topic on it's own...

 

[Lime100]

This thread is 197 pages and while the game has gallery to immediately see newest content, I wanted to ask, should you guys move the discussion on this game gore or not to another discussion?

I remember that the moderators have allowed the discussions as it's tangentially related to the game, but it's like succubus heaven "how to mod this and troubleshooting" all over again for me.

I'll just repeat several already posted opinion that "as long as I can dodged it, it's okay."

Just voicing my thoughts.

At this point there's not much left to discuss. It looks like D-lis has wrapped up designing new enemies and maps apart from the final boss and whatever area that ends up in. I think there's only one regular enemy without an animation at this point so really that leaves us with...

• What do we think the last 6 game over animations will be?
• Story discussion
• What's the final boss?
• Fetish representation and discussion (we are here)

Either way it doesn't matter, like it's been said already we know when the updates drop so if you're only here for that then just back at the end of the month.

 

[lazycat]

Same, and honestly I don't get why it is such a problem. The gallery has 54 animations (even more if you count game overs and the 2 scenes not yet implemented on the gallery) of which only 6 are guro. The dev even went out of his way to add a warning so we can avoid it.

For me at least the issue is mainly ambiguity.

In ryona heavy game, it's usually rather obvious on which end of the spectrum something is.
Chainsaw trap, swinging blade pendulum? Nothing sexual is happening with those.
Naked dude? Probably sex.
while there's possibility of surprise variations (like a naked dude might be a crazy cannibal so that ends up being guro in the end) at least at a glance you can take a guess on what's gonna be sexual and what's not.

In NoR though, until we got that first gory scene, every scenes has been sexual.
Nun? sex
Dude with knives and guns? sex
Eldritch horror? sex
Spiky thorn trap? sex
Sucked into horror painting? sex
etc.

So it's not obvious what's gonna stab her with meat stick and what's gonna just stab her.

 

[UnHolyBlessing]

try a rapier with electro damage at least with this weapon in my opinion it was easier to kill this boss

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[paparapa]

Ohh wake me up when the gore yes no discussion ended and there is a new update. lol.

 

[BraveNewWrold]

Is there anything to do with the girl with black hair other than talk to her 3 times? does it unlock or lead to anything else at the moment? also is there anything i can do with the guy who says he drinks too much outside the bar?

I recall thee is two event in the game, one is related to the bar, the other one is with the samurai girl.