Dlsite forced change

[Ericridge]

I used to buy from dlsite long time ago but their bullshit fees that kept on stealing money from my account made me stop. Had to end the card I owned and then get a new one and then called the seas my home from there on. Funny thing is, dlsite was a fucking pirate in this situation between me and them.

 

[Triplebrc]

There are still alternatives to buy points, but the extra steps and account could deter some.

Refusal to make even more accounts to find ways to give these dumbfucks my money against their best efforts to keep refusing my money is certainly a part of it, but also uncertainty, will that shit really work in my country since my country seems particularly harsh with blocking Dlsite? Also I have seen mentions of some of these sites limiting the way you can spend the money you get there, some banning the purchases of 18+ products by limiting you to the all ages part of the site, supposedly also banning the purchase of points since points can be used to buy 18+things, but I have seen conflicting claims and will not put in the efforts to try it out.

I simply cannot be arsed to do their job for them and find more and more elaborate and uncertain ways to buy their products. I bothered to make a DLsite account, I bothered to set up paypal just for this crap, I looked into how i am supposed to buy points when they banned paypal and found that dlpay thing in some obscure corner that worked for a few months as a workaround, until they killed that too in last september, and preventing me from stockpiling a massive load of points by making the undefendable retard decision of making the points expire in a year. In my mind, piracy without feeling bad about it is a well earned privilege of mine at this point. I do feel somewhat bad for the developers who lose out on sales, but then again, very few of them make their products available in alternative ways, which means that they put in far less effort to get my money than I so far have put in to try and keep giving them money through dlsite, so thats kinda on them.

 

[Flimey]

Dlsite has done nearly everything in its power to prevent me from giving them any business recently. When they decide they like money again, I guess they'll do something about that.

 

[SoulLess Child]

Dlsite has done nearly everything in its power to prevent me from giving them any business recently. When they decide they like money again, I guess they'll do something about that.

That border on a retarded take, granted a clearer explanation could help.

 

[Fenril]

It feels like the smaller adult sites were the canary in the coal mines for whether the credit card companies could dictate what content customers can even access and they succeeded, so their expanding their reach.

I assume the endgame is that they'll start dictating what major retailers like Amazon are allowed to sell.

Unfortunately, Jeff Bezos is a coward so he'll fold immediately.

Edit: Between them Visa and Mastercard are worth a trillion, so it's really easy for them to just crush smaller companies. Steam's only worth 10 billion in comparison. Amazon actually has the sheer mass to fight back, but between Bezos being a coward and also probably agreeing with the morality police, that doesn't look good.

News flash: Jeff Bezos isn't the CEO of Amazon anymore, nor has he been for years. Now he's just a chairperson. I understand you're angry, but you're also pointing fingers at someone who is completely unrelated to what we're talking about, especially since Amazon is a completely different company that primarily deals in PHYSICAL merch, not DIGITAL merch.

 

[Flimey]

That border on a retarded take, granted a clearer explanation could help.

If you make life difficult for the consumer, the consumer seeks a path of lesser resistance. Retardation doesn't enter into it. The half a dozen or so artists I used to support monthly hardly put out regular content anymore. It sucks, but gee I wonder why?

 

[Mick2000]

not a single explanation was stated in your reply
how do DLsite make "life difficult for the consumer" exactly? and how did "dozen or so artists i used to support monthly hardly put out regular content anymore" exactly? you just say "i wonder why" but didn't explicitly state why or how at all

 

[Flimey]

not a single explanation was stated in your reply
how do DLsite make "life difficult for the consumer" exactly? and how did "dozen or so artists i used to support monthly hardly put out regular content anymore" exactly? you just say "i wonder why" but didn't explicitly state why or how at all

This entire thread has literally outlined why. Not being able to simply use your CC to support people and requiring extra steps is enough to make people, like myself, not bother with it anymore. Hiding content on top of that, which now requires I use a VPN anytime I want to access content on dlsite makes things even more inconvenient.

Why am I being asked to reiterate what has been the sole and only topic of discussion five pages now?

 

[lazycat]

This entire thread has literally outlined why. Not being able to simply use your CC to support people and requiring extra steps is enough to make people, like myself, not bother with it anymore. Hiding content on top of that, which now requires I use a VPN anytime I want to access content on dlsite makes things even more inconvenient.

Why am I being asked to reiterate what has been the sole and only topic of discussion five pages now?

Because you're throwing blame at the wrong people? It was Visa/Mastercard that forced DLSite to do this (and has hit other places recently like Steam, itch, etc)

 

[Flimey]

Because you're throwing blame at the wrong people? It was Visa/Mastercard that forced DLSite to do this (and has hit other places recently like Steam, itch, etc)

Didn't say I was blaming them for covering their butts. I said they were going to feel the consequences, which they are and have been. No amount of blame/not blame is going to compel me to jump through additional hoops.

At the end of the day, they have to defend their own industry. Seems like that might be starting.

 

[Mick2000]

consequences of what? their own action? their hand got tied and they pretty much got coerced to do this
you said you didn't blame them, yet you say:

If you make life difficult for the consumer, the consumer seeks a path of lesser resistance. Retardation doesn't enter into it. The half a dozen or so artists I used to support monthly hardly put out regular content anymore. It sucks, but gee I wonder why?

who makes customer life difficult? it's Vishit and Masturdcard. How is this not sound like you're pointing finger at DLsite?
it's like you're complaining to liquor store that require you to show your ID to verify your age even though government are the one who enforce said regulation
except this time, it's a private company, forcing other private company, to follow their retarded and hypocritical agenda

now let me ask you this in return, what do you expect them to do exactly? continue doing business with Visa and Mastercard as if they're not the one who choose to cut off and fuck over everyone?


on other slightly related note, i extend my condolence to all UK user who have severely brain damage government and politician that allow stupid shits like this to happen

 

[Flimey]

That would be their problem to navigate, not mine. My personal belief is that credit cards should be treated as a utility and their companies properly regulated since much of the world is dependent on them, rather than be able to coerce businesses as they have been doing for personal ends. If they want to solve the problem, sooner or later they (meaning business at large, not simply this industry) will need to lobby their governments for this kind of coercion to cease. That's just my feeling on it.

But again, not MY problem to solve. This is THEIR industry to defend.

Like or or hate it, I'm just the average guy who isn't willing to install a VPN and use shady third party sites to get points on a regular basis for anime porn. Oh well.

 

[Belkezar]

News flash: Jeff Bezos isn't the CEO of Amazon anymore, nor has he been for years. Now he's just a chairperson. I understand you're angry, but you're also pointing fingers at someone who is completely unrelated to what we're talking about, especially since Amazon is a completely different company that primarily deals in PHYSICAL merch, not DIGITAL merch.

Interesting. Heh. He's still the largest shareholder and is the head of the board of directors, so he's the guy the current CEO reports to. I presume the current CEO (Andy Jassy as of now) is also a coward, based on the whole "Amazon was going to directly show how much the tariffs were affecting prices, but instantly folded and stopped doing that when the Trump administration threw a fit."

Also, Amazon sells an enormous amount of digital merchandise now, including an entire ecosystem of self-published books. Imagine Amazon just delisting all of their adult books because of credit card pressure.

 

[super_slicer]

That would be their problem to navigate, not mine. My personal belief is that credit cards should be treated as a utility and their companies properly regulated since much of the world is dependent on them, rather than be able to coerce businesses as they have been doing for personal ends. If they want to solve the problem, sooner or later they (meaning business at large, not simply this industry) will need to lobby their governments for this kind of coercion to cease. That's just my feeling on it.

But again, not MY problem to solve. This is THEIR industry to defend.

Like or or hate it, I'm just the average guy who isn't willing to install a VPN and use shady third party sites to get points on a regular basis for anime porn. Oh well.

I don't really care about the current drama but the mechanism that's creating it, so I've got an interesting question for everyone: Why do payment processors exist anymore?

The money in your bank account is literally just a value in a spreadsheet currently. Banks ( in the U.S. at least, don't know about anywhere else but I imagine it's the same ) don't even need to have the physical currency to back up the claim of the amount of money they have, they can just add 0's onto any account and that money suddenly exists. So money just being 1's and 0's on a hard drive that translate to a value on a spreadsheet currently means there is no legitimate reason that requires an intermediary be involved in editing the spreadsheet, the purchaser's bank can just contact the seller's bank and tell them to add 35$ to the account which they deduct from theirs.

Interesting. Heh. He's still the largest shareholder and is the head of the board of directors, so he's the guy the current CEO reports to. I presume the current CEO (Andy Jassy as of now) is also a coward, based on the whole "Amazon was going to directly show how much the tariffs were affecting prices, but instantly folded and stopped doing that when the Trump administration threw a fit."

Also, Amazon sells an enormous amount of digital merchandise now, including an entire ecosystem of self-published books. Imagine Amazon just delisting all of their adult books because of credit card pressure.

Sure, it wasn't that the tariffs didn't affect those prices in a way that was detrimental to the purchaser.

 

[ilmncsm]

I don't really care about the current drama but the mechanism that's creating it, so I've got an interesting question for everyone: Why do payment processors exist anymore?

The money in your bank account is literally just a value in a spreadsheet currently. Banks ( in the U.S. at least, don't know about anywhere else but I imagine it's the same ) don't even need to have the physical currency to back up the claim of the amount of money they have, they can just add 0's onto any account and that money suddenly exists. So money just being 1's and 0's on a hard drive that translate to a value on a spreadsheet currently means there is no legitimate reason that requires an intermediary be involved in editing the spreadsheet, the purchaser's bank can just contact the seller's bank and tell them to add 35$ to the account which they deduct from theirs.

At this point, I think it's mostly the banks offloading the risk and costs for a layer of security and identity safety. Credit card fraud is huge, but credit card companies make so much money, they can pay back most of it and write it off as the cost of doing business. If it was purely bank to bank transactions, then the banks become liable for any and all fraud, and suddenly have to account for that in their costs.

Not that there isn't already bank fraud like that, but credit card fraud is much more common as far as I know.

 

[Harleyquin13]

There's no global payments system (SWIFT isn't a global platform plus sanctions etc ) allowing banks to pay each other without transaction costs, plus auditors and KYC looking out for random transactions described above make bank to bank transactions more troublesome than they appear.

E.g. Try making a payment from the United States to a regional Bank in India for a personal purchase. Most people find it's better to just use the credit card intermediary as it's faster despite the middleman cost.

 

[SoulLess Child]

Already mentioned, but there is a difference between dev/circle given tags (the ones with the other info) and tags used in reviews, dev tags are subjected to the block thing, review tags will remove products from search and circle pages but still can be accessed via URL, favorites, etc.

welp, DLSite now fully block review tags too.

 

[SoulLess Child]

And DLSite is getting rid of their "free" points programs, supposedly to replace with something else.

 

[ilmncsm]

And DLSite is getting rid of their "free" points programs, supposedly to replace with something else.

Didn't they do that over a year ago? Or were there more than one free points program? I know they removed the little flower you could check on your account page once per day a while ago.

 

[SoulLess Child]

Didn't they do that over a year ago? Or were there more than one free points program? I know they removed the little flower you could check on your account page once per day a while ago.

They are removing the ones for Rating and Reviewing stuff.