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ACT Loli Shota [excessm] 夢から醒めた亡者 / The dead who woke up from a dream - (RJ264906 / ...)


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Been looking forward to it. And of course TouhouSE just doesn't work for me, crashes instantly :/ Anyone know a solution to it?

In the meantime I've really enjoyed the little I played so far. Think I played to the second boss and it's not a bad game at all for what it is.
 

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From the dev's ci-en page


【Excessm will be working in Japanese only from now on. The reason.】
I'm the only one who does all the illustrations, animations, system development, bug fixing, advertising, and support for non-Japanese users.
There is no "They" in Excessm , it's "He".
 I have decided that with my abilities, my body and mind will not be able to keep up with developing for users outside of Japan. I reached my mental and physical limits as I was dealing with various issues.
At the end of the development process, I couldn't stop sweating and crying, and there were several times when I wanted to quit. Even so, we continued to develop and completed the project with all our energy.I'm not tough enough to take it easy when I'm told that the finished product is a "scam" because the graphics are blurry due to a user's misconfiguration, or when I'm told to my face that "over 90% of the discord community is dissatisfied with the game","It's deteriorating".


There was no development team member who could share that "passionate" comment, so I had to face it alone and think hard about what it meant and what I should do about it. It was a huge burden for me.
This is a problem regardless of nationality. But still, the task of supporting a language I don't understand was exhausting for me in every way.


I received some kind comments, but most of them were still hard for me.


Those overly enthusiastic comments have left me greatly exhausted by everything.
Do I continue to support languages halfway and wear out and shorten my lifespan as a creator, or do I stop doing so and reduce the scale and extend my life as a creator? I choose the latter.I'm really sorry.



I usually keep to myself when it comes to dev issues, but man, it's the third time I've heard jav devs really give up on English viewers just from how toxic they get even after they admit they get the game for free regardless. Watching it happen in general sucks, but seeing it on ulmf threads when I was under the impression we supported creators here was a bit rough on the image. I was shocked earlier when I saw people scaring off a jav dev in our own forum. Maybe the devs have a point when they mention how volatile Western audiences are.
At this point I'm glad Totoro Resistance won't translate anything-- the community doesn't deserve it.
 

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The question I gotta ask is why are devs intentionally listening to people who are clearly being stupid or otherwise bad faith? Like seriously:

"over 90% of the discord community is dissatisfied with the game" - What discord community?
" the finished product is a "scam" because the graphics are blurry due to a user's misconfiguration " - Why even give this idiot the time of day?
" the task of supporting a language I don't understand was exhausting for me in every way. " - If its not your native language and you don't understand it at a native level then you are unable to notice nuances and most importantly when people are Trolling you.

The dev's made a smart move, he wasn't good at it (at least by his own admission) so it really is in his best interest to just avoid being involved in localization or tech support with English people. We have forums for a reason and people are more than happy to do stuff like troubleshooting for free. As for the types of people causing this, my bets on twitter fuckery or the usual politically driven psychopaths.
 

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twitter fuckery or the usual politically driven psychopaths.
Da fuck kind of projection is that!
Dude literally said it was discord folks.

Have you checked his twitter comments? They are by far the most positive and reassuring.

This post is before the controversy.



And that's not even mentioning how literally 90% of the users he interacts with on twitter are Japanese.
 
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Da fuck kind of projection is that!
Dude literally said it was discord folks.

Have you checked his twitter comments? They are by far the most positive and reassuring.

This post is before the controversy.



And that's not even mentioning how literally 90% of the users he interacts with on twitter are Japanese.
No you misunderstand, there are groups and movements on twitter that also have discords. Basically I'm saying (mind you I have no real evidence) that I think that sex negative groups like the ones on twitter are responsible for this.
 

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No you misunderstand, there are groups and movements on twitter that also have discords. Basically I'm saying (mind you I have no real evidence) that I think that sex negative groups like the ones on twitter are responsible for this.
Seems like you really want this scary boogeyman of yours to exist pretty bad.
If you find proof I'll take back of all of what I said, and apologize.
 

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Seems like you really want this scary boogeyman of yours to exist pretty bad.
If you find proof I'll take back of all of what I said, and apologize.
We still don't know what discord it is. And my exact words were twitter fuckery so... I don't see why you are getting so emotional over this. And in fact we don't even know what vector the people who harassed him came form. "90% of people on discord" statement is just one statement, it doesn't mention anything else. So even the Dev did not explicitly state that his harassment came from discord. I get that this is bad situation, but you don't have to lash out at people for complaining about politically charged groups (you know like the ones that get games pulled from steam).
 

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We still don't know what discord it is. And my exact words were twitter fuckery so... I don't see why you are getting so emotional over this. And in fact we don't even know what vector the people who harassed him came form. "90% of people on discord" statement is just one statement, it doesn't mention anything else. So even the Dev did not explicitly state that his harassment came from discord. I get that this is bad situation, but you don't have to lash out at people for complaining about politically charged groups (you know like the ones that get games pulled from steam).
Dude.
It's just annoying seeing people lash out at a whole group of people with not only no proof, but just because of your general agenda.

You know what that reminds me of? The whole gaming journalist Illusion Scandal.
Adult games as a whole were grouped together as a group of insane people with extreme sexual deviancy because of the game Rapelay.

The whole group of people who enjoy adult games put into one basket.
Sounds like how you're lashing out to twitter in general doesn't it?

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Why do you think so many adult content creators are on twitter?
Tumblr banned adult content. Twitter doesn't care.
Twitter is great for exposure, meaning a lot of adult game developers have been able to get noticed and gain fame.

Hakika and SHRIFT gained massive popularity because of the retweets from Zell and Torotoro resistance. Those game series would not exist without the customers brought to them by other well meaning developers due to the system of retweets.

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People say what you say so often but nobody says anything. I'm just tired of it. If you don't have proof or anything then you're just lashing out at a strawman, and it's just annoying.

And again. I have no skin in the game. Like literally. Give me proof I'm wrong and I'm right behind you yelling at the same people.
 

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Dude.
It's just annoying seeing people lash out at a whole group of people with not only no proof, but just because of your general agenda.

You know what that reminds me of? The whole gaming journalist Illusion Scandal.
Adult games as a whole were grouped together as a group of insane people with extreme sexual deviancy because of the game Rapelay.

The whole group of people who enjoy adult games put into one basket.
Sounds like how you're lashing out to twitter in general doesn't it?

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Why do you think so many adult content creators are on twitter?
Tumblr banned adult content. Twitter doesn't care.
Twitter is great for exposure, meaning a lot of adult game developers have been able to get noticed and gain fame.

Hakika and SHRIFT gained massive popularity because of the retweets from Zell and Torotoro resistance. Those game series would not exist without the customers brought to them by other well meaning developers due to the system of retweets.

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People say what you say so often but nobody says anything. I'm just tired of it. If you don't have proof or anything then you're just lashing out at a strawman, and it's just annoying.

And again. I have no skin in the game. Like literally. Give me proof I'm wrong and I'm right behind you yelling at the same people.
I found the guy who made the comments. He's apart of the entitled group you would expect. I will send you a PM. It looks like its only one guy though. Because all the comments he mentions come from this one dude.

You are right though, twitter is pretty supportive but I can't deny my own experience with twitter and how they often harass game developers. Guess they just don't harass jap adult video game devs that much then.
 

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I feel like Western Twitter has divided into two sides, one trying to ban anything more attractive than themselves, and the other side willing to pay hard cash to ignore them at any cost.
God forbid Twitter pulls a Patreon TOS.
But that aside, I'll take the dev's word on being harassed. He's obviously passionate about creating content, and there's no real reason to be dishonest about translations. I'd rather they be comfortable. I'm sure he's a good dude just pushed a bit past his limit. Give the dude some thumbs up and see what happens.
 

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Oh! Neat. I'm terrible with finding things on this site. I swear me and the search bar bump heads. Thanks!
In general, I hope we stop harassing devs-- even if it's just on this site. Even if their content isn't ideal, it's better to be uplifting than just toxic to them. The last thing a good ecchi game needs is a dev who can't take it anymore. I usually find them very friendly and talkative in DM's, even western ones like PoP or Enlit3d.
 

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In general, I hope we stop harassing devs-- even if it's just on this site. Even if their content isn't ideal, it's better to be uplifting than just toxic to them. The last thing a good ecchi game needs is a dev who can't take it anymore. I usually find them very friendly and talkative in DM's, even western ones like PoP or Enlit3d.
And I hope we stop devaluing words like harassment because some lily livered content creators can't take a few people being frustrated with defect/non working (for them) products or broken promises. The guy acts like he was swatted, doxed and personally hunted by an angry mob, when in fact he just got angry feedback from a few frustrated people who could not get the game to work or were disappointed with the finished product, many of which were likely not even paying for the game to begin with, so their input is worthless anyway. Is the tone in which such negative feedback is usually delivered lacking respect and common courtesy? Yeah, especially since it is on the internet where people tend to take their gloves off all the time anyway, but that is just how this kind of feedback is often delivered since the user is frustrated, and the newest game did have quite a few problems, still has to this day, and the less is said about Yumes official translation failure the better.

Looking at the official feedback from DLSite shows me thousands of positive ratings for his newest game, less than 50 negative ones, placing the game at 5 stars, the highest rating the site can give, so the official customers overwhelmingly love the game, or at least gave it 5 stars anyway due to it being higher quality than most games of the genre. This would normally tell me that the dev is cherry picking a few negative ratings or feedback and letting it affect him far more than all the positive feedback, something that is not uncommon with developers or artists because they take positive feedback for granted. Since I do know the ways of the internet though, there is of course the very real possibility that the negative feedback was much higher in number than official sources like DLSite suggest, which would be possible if people downloaded the game online for free (which many did, as it was available from day 1, even faster than usual), and then have the nerve to contact the dev demanding support and bitch to him about a game they haven't paid for. I don't have to explain what normal developers would do with that kind of user feedback, but for some reason the guy took criticism that came mostly from leeches via crap sites like Discord and took it to heart, even tried to help them run the game for some reason, which is a lose lose situation.

My recommendation for the dev would be to ask someone to manage that kind of shit for him next time, as he either is terribly ignorant on the subject or simply too weak mentally to handle this side of the userbase or ignore the ones who do not pay, not to mention his lack of English skills not being helpful either. Hell, even just dealing exclusively with people who can verify a purchase would already sort out most of the salty feedback and solve his problems, allowing him to keep the English users while not having to deal with most of the leeches if he simply refuses support for people who clearly have not even bought the game. Instead of doing that though, he preferred to cut ties with the western audience entirely, something I think is a really damn stupid decision as it will lead to paying customers like me not paying for the next game for obvious reasons.
Now I already explained why I do not really consider this to be a loss for us in the grand scheme of things, as the machine or partial translation is not all that valuable, and the userbase is more helpful when it comes to support with the game anyway, so if it leads to him focussing his efforts on making a better game instead I'd even consider it a win for us if a translator picks his game up at some point like with Parade Buster or Yume, but I have no doubt that the guy is screwing himself over long term for no other reason than him not knowing how to properly handle himself online. Let's just say that if even a gaijin hating twat like the Robf developer goes out of his way to get a leg into the western market then it must be highly profitable
Adult games as a whole were grouped together as a group of insane people with extreme sexual deviancy because of the game Rapelay.
If we are honest about this little genre we are playing, you can't really be too mad about that, as the number of games having either one of rape, bestiality, clearly underage girls/boys, gore, vore or incest is overwhelmingly high, and none of those things are okay for most people to have in games. We are sexual deviants by normal peoples standards for liking or just accepting games with even one of those things included, and Rapelay was pretty mild compared to most games of its kind both in content and especially because the protagonist has an unavoidable bad ending(death), when in most such games the protagonist gets away or even rewarded for such behavior instead of it leading to disaster for him.
 
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it will lead to paying customers like me not paying for the next game for obvious reasons.
Make sure you don't play it either. Like a true principled consumer.

If we are honest about this little genre we are playing, you can't really be too mad about that, as the number of games having either one of rape, bestiality, clearly underage girls/boys, gore, vore or incest is overwhelmingly high, and none of those things are okay for most people to have in games. We are sexual deviants by normal peoples standards for liking or just accepting games with even one of those things included, and Rapelay was pretty mild compared to most games of its kind both in content and especially because the protagonist has an unavoidable bad ending(death), when in most such games the protagonist gets away or even rewarded for such behavior instead of it leading to disaster for him.
That's an unfair generalization coming from you.

I'm not in that group. 90% the stuff I like can be found in copius amounts in traditional porn outlets, but the journalists weren't calling out porn as a whole, but erotic games.

Rapelay is a game where you play as a stalker who brutalizes, rapes, and makes the lives of a few women absolutely terrible while revelling in the sexual aspect of making the girls as unhappy as possible.
That being said, people don't attack cinema as a whole for the films that feature and glorify gruesome murder(Saw IV)/slavery(Birth of a Nation) or any other negative aspects of the human condition.

Just because those works exists don't mean the purveyors of those works are generally bad people.
And yet!
They made such a generalization about adult games as a whole.

Most adult games are vanilla. The main experience with adult games are visual novels, and visual novels that are crazy in their sexual nature like Daiakuji and Rance go that far to stand out from the vast majority of vanilla works. Then they look at a small group of gamers who prefer those deviant works and paint the entire group in their colors.
 
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That's an unfair generalization coming from you.

I'm not in that group. 90% the stuff I like can be found in copius amounts in traditional porn outlets, but the journalists weren't calling out porn as a whole, but erotic games.
Yes, you are in that group. By playing ExcessM games you are already supporting games that include rape (reverse or not does not matter, still rape), shota (so basically a subspecies of pedophilia, because the protagonists are nowhere near legal age), incest in more than one game, and some semi bestiality too. There is fetish porn for these kinds of things where people act these fetishes out, though characters in the game are obviously not acting, they experience it in their simulated world, so whether you like it or not you are a creepy degenerate in normal peoples eyes for consuming that kind of content, just like most of us are. Games often get called out for the reason that you are actively simulating acts in games, someone who simulates and initiates a rape scene makes people more uncomfortable than someone watching one in a movie, which I understand to some degree even if most people are obviously capable to distinguish between real life and fictional actions.

Rapelay is a game where you play as a stalker who brutalizes, rapes, and makes the lives of a few women absolutely terrible while revelling in the sexual aspect of making the girls as unhappy as possible.
That being said, people don't attack cinema as a whole for the films that feature and glorify gruesome murder(Saw IV)/slavery(Birth of a Nation) or any other negative aspects of the human condition.
People actually do attack others for it when it comes to movies. Snuff movies like the Saw series, The Human Centipide series or A Serbian Film often are under fire for that exact reason, some are even outright banned in several countries, which does not happen to games quite as often. Try to openly tell all people you know that you really love watching such movies, show them a few explicit scenes of gory torture or rape to sell the upsides of these movies, you will see many peoples opinion of you noticeably deteriorate. Also explain to me how the girls actively hunting and trying to sexually enslave a little boy in ExcessM games is in any way better than a guy stalking and raping a few girls in Rapelay, because the last time I checked the protagonists did not appreciate being gang raped for hours or days at all, so if anything its worse in terms of severety, and the misery of the victim is obvious in both despite some unwilling orgasms being thrown in.

Just because those works exists don't mean the purveyors of those works are generally bad people.
And yet!
They made such a generalization about adult games as a whole.
They made it about adult movies as well, they just view games as one step above movies for aforementioned reasons, fearing that people who make their characters commit mass murder or rape in games might one day feel tempted to do it for real, which is obviously not something people do aside from an incredibly tiny number of mentally sick people, but having a scapegoat for tragic events is always good for sales.

Most adult games are vanilla. The main experience with adult games are visual novels, and visual novels that are crazy in their sexual nature like Daiakuji and Rance go that far to stand out from the vast majority of vanilla works. Then they look at a small group of gamers who prefer those deviant works and paint the entire group in their colors.
If you mean explicit adult games and not just ecchi stuff then I can't say that I share that experience, even if it is true. Even if I do not go out of my way to look for darker content it just is not rare, it is even more common in hentais, almost feels like at least one token rape scene or rather forceful/grey scene is required. Claiming it is a small group is just dishonest, games with such content go really well, especially in japan where rape and molestation fetishes seem far more common than in the west.
 

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I think this was the place mentioned before: https://ulmf.org/forums/everything-else.20/

I won't take any side and fan the flames, so I'll just say this: let's say ExcessM comes by, and google translate this page right here. How many keywords would you expect him to understand? If you happen to speak something else than English, do the test yourself. The result should be the best argument.

So please, take bordeline off-topic discussions to the right place, before things escalate and you muddle what we probably all think about the dev (and do warn me when I do so myself :ROFLMAO:)
 

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lol Imagine biting the hand that feeds your fetish
There's a difference between being critical and harassing.
Since we don't know the specifics of the wording and text from this "harassment" it's best we stop speculating.

It could just be the dev being generally weak to criticism as well.

And criticism should NOT be discouraged. Criticism is good. It helps devs get better.
In fact, ExcessM only has so many sex scenes because he was criticized about the lack of actual sex in his early OneeShota and Kariyume days. He said, he'd save those scenes for bosses back then.

Things have changed. Parade Buster started having a few normal enemies having sex attacks, and in Yumesame 99% of all enemies have 1.

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Since we don't know the specifics I suggest we drop the topic. Unless anyone can pull up a screenshot of a post or something.
 
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