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Abandonedacc

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Re: Breeding Season

Oh god this is hilarous everyone know the only worthy of the game is S-purple art :p
 

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The fuck did you get that wolf from? The latests scetch is this one and it's only a few days old:
Wow. What a great improvement /sarcasm
 

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Well, if you think you have to be that salty, fine.
You bet I'm fucking salty! The salt is real! I'm throwing salt all over the fucking place! I can only hope you'd have a lower sodium content if this Breeding Season bull falls flat on it's face, because no one needs all this salt!

Even if it does come out, it's going to need some spectacular bullshit going for it, because 30k a month for some janky flash game is some bull. What's even more bull is how every dollar BS(I can't believe how appropriate that acronym is) gets is a dollar a more deserving dev may never see. That is what gets muh salt flowing.

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It's kinda sad that these guys get so much money thrown at their faces and yet they still can't deliver an acceptable product.

Meanwhile, there are a lot of other devs out there on patreon, who could use some support. Many show great potential and some even have already shown that they are capable.
Maybe have a look around and support someone else?
(Just have a look at the "Comprehensive patreon list" topic here on ULMF and find some devs who are at the lower end of earnings, like <2000$)

I think this whole "Breeding Season" thing is heading straight for a trainwreck, better jump off now and save some money or support others. You don't want to fall victim to the "sunk cost fallacy" here, trust me.
And if they DO come around in the end and ship a good product, you can always resub to them.

The thing is though, this is nothing new or ununsual.
I have seen this kind of stuff A LOT since the dawn of crowdfunding with Kickstarter and Indiegogo.
These new Indie-Devs, who never have actually completed a game in their life, even if they have worked on a few, with little to no experience try to gain support to fulfill their dreams.
At first, nothing wrong about that. But the problems arise after they reach their goal and even get overfunded, adding stretch-goals that SOUND good, but may not actually be feasible at all.
And then the problems start. Little to no updates, bad quality of updates, things taking longer and costing more than anticipated, etc etc.
Sometimes another hassle comes in, whats with all the tiered rewards, especially if its physical goods like shirts, posters or statues/figurines. Shipping shit all over the world is expensive, not to speak of having to make it first (because no company has that stuff just lying around). Even digital goods like special drawing and stuff takes time and ressources away from development.

And all that with kickstarter, where people pay once and the devs have a limited one-time-budget.
But this? these devs get 30k PER MONTH, and are still not able to release something satisfying?
Don't get me wrong, I know there is a "ceiling" when it comes to progress-speed (unless you keep hiring people, but that would up the costs dramatically), but from the last updates it looks like they were kind of just twiddling their thumbs and work maybe 1/8th of the time, maybe even less.

From my experience in the gaming-industry and what I have seen on crowdfunding-platforms, these devs probably were very naive.
I'm not gonna attribute it to malice, them trying to screw their patrons, but rather, they didn't know themselves what they were getting into and probably also not having a very good plan as to what direction their game should go.
They keep adding and adding ideas on paper, but little are actually getting implemented. They have all this money, but don't really know how to spend it and probably don't have a manager or producer who knows budgeting and how to distribute the money to different "departments".
Hell, they probably are not even a real company yet, most likely still working from home and collaborating over the internet.

So yeah, I think this whole thing just grew over their heads a bit...

TL;DR: Sad to see, better jump off their patreon now if you are a supporter and go support someone else until they show they can do better and deserve it again. They're probably too naive and unexperienced to handle all this money, the responsibility that comes with it and peoples expectations.
 

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"I am elf. I like sex. Here is unskippable futa scene, even with futa turned off."

"I am hunter, I like sex. Your beasts are weak."

"I am oversexualized man/woman/child/scientist/nun"

Or do you mean the storyline of "You are in debt. Must pay off debt or lose farm."

I understand better now how they manage to scam so many people out of their cash. I'm still having trouble coping with the thought that there's multiple people as deluded as you are about their intent and capabilities.
People want sex in a sexed up world. Go figure.
 

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I was going to reply to you, but basically everyone else in the thread shot your load of crap full of holes so there's no reason to anymore. Kudos ULMF members!


P.S. this one was my favorite:
I'm still having trouble coping with the thought that there's multiple people as deluded as you are about their intent and capabilities.
Which, I just realised, the 'their' can refer to the BS team, or YOU, DerP.

Also, for the love of GOD, if you're going to bitch about Future Fragments, DO IT IN THE FUCKING THREAD FOR FUTURE FRAGMENTS. This means you dienow. Why? so the people in that thread can tell you to quit whining about something that isn't going to be changed.
 
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kittenmittens

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People want sex in a sexed up world. Go figure.
You realize this contradicts entirely the notion of working on fishing/storylines/whatever other shit over the sex animations which are the sole reason anyone is throwing cash at them?
 

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You realize this contradicts entirely the notion of working on fishing/storylines/whatever other shit over the sex animations which are the sole reason anyone is throwing cash at them?
Err no? If I want no story I watch regular porn.
 

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I was going to reply to you, but basically everyone else in the thread shot your load of crap full of holes so there's no reason to anymore. Kudos ULMF members!


P.S. this one was my favorite:


Which, I just realised, the 'their' can refer to the BS team, or YOU, DerP.

Also, for the love of GOD, if you're going to bitch about Future Fragments, DO IT IN THE FUCKING THREAD FOR FUTURE FRAGMENTS. This means you dienow. Why? so the people in that thread can tell you to quit whining about something that isn't going to be changed.
The only one bitching around here is you. I've not attacked anyone but you sure seem to have to.
 

thswherizat

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Err no? If I want no story I watch regular porn.
I think you've missed the point he was making. You said that they were focusing on the core gameplay elements such as the not animations of the game. However, you decided to reply to my concern about the style of the world being incredibly wierdly sexualized by saying 'well, it's a sex game.'

This is completely true. It IS a sex game. So why the hell are they making the sex animations such a stupidly low priority? Why do the vast majority of already-released monsters not have animations? Why add more monsters before finishing what you have? You realize that with every new potential monster you add (and I assume fishing will be to add aquatic ones) you have to do another animation between new monster and every existing one. This means that the more content you add, the more you strain the already extremely pathetic amount of sex content in a sex game.

The only one bitching around here is you. I've not attacked anyone but you sure seem to have to.
You don't have to be attacking people, because you're making the choice to defend an obviously unpopular developer and game design. If there was nothing to judge about the developer, we would just say we don't like the game and stay away from it. (Personal point: I don't like the design of Future Fragments, but the way they're developing it is fine. I just don't watch the game.) However, what we've got a problem with is the scummy and extremely slow progress the developers are making in exchange for the huge amount of money they're making compared to other Patreon developers.

You're choosing to defend that. And therefore, us trying to understand your point of view has literally led us to believe you are either intentionally-blinded or very foolishly-optimistic. I'm sorry if you feel that we're attempting to merely ad-hominem out of spite, but that's not what's happening.
 

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I think you've missed the point he was making. You said that they were focusing on the core gameplay elements such as the not animations of the game. However, you decided to reply to my concern about the style of the world being incredibly wierdly sexualized by saying 'well, it's a sex game.'

This is completely true. It IS a sex game. So why the hell are they making the sex animations such a stupidly low priority? Why do the vast majority of already-released monsters not have animations? Why add more monsters before finishing what you have? You realize that with every new potential monster you add (and I assume fishing will be to add aquatic ones) you have to do another animation between new monster and every existing one. This means that the more content you add, the more you strain the already extremely pathetic amount of sex content in a sex game.



You don't have to be attacking people, because you're making the choice to defend an obviously unpopular developer and game design. If there was nothing to judge about the developer, we would just say we don't like the game and stay away from it. (Personal point: I don't like the design of Future Fragments, but the way they're developing it is fine. I just don't watch the game.) However, what we've got a problem with is the scummy and extremely slow progress the developers are making in exchange for the huge amount of money they're making compared to other Patreon developers.

You're choosing to defend that. And therefore, us trying to understand your point of view has literally led us to believe you are either intentionally-blinded or very foolishly-optimistic. I'm sorry if you feel that we're attempting to merely ad-hominem out of spite, but that's not what's happening.
They are producing animations, they just haven't started detailing the story yet because they are still implementing core features like fishing. That is what I was saying. However they've just started to release the animations, so many are missing currently. But they have done almost all catgirl animations already and are working on harvesting animations for the breeder.
One reason why you might think they aren't releasing animations is because they are currently replacing old, outdated animations.

And if the developer would be that unpopular everyone in here claims them to be, then they wouldn't earn that much money. Just because everyone who's visiting this thread seems to think this game sucks doesn't mean it actually does.
I mean, how many are here complaining? 20? 30? There are 20-60 people watching their streams every day, that's already more than the ones complaining in this thread. If I'd bring them all over here, letting them post "this game is gonna be the best shit on the planet", this thread would look differently and I would not be called intentionally-blinded or very foolishly-optimistic.
 
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They are producing animations, they just haven't started detailing the story yet because they are still implementing core features like fishing. That is what I was saying. However they've just started to release the animations, so many are missing currently. But they have done almost all catgirl animations already and are working on harvesting animations for the breeder.
One reason why you might think they aren't releasing animations is because they are currently replacing old, outdated animations.

And if the developer would be that unpopular everyone in here claims them to be, then they wouldn't earn that much money. Just because everyone who's visiting this thread seems to think this game sucks doesnt mean it actually does.
Again with the fishing as a core feature...You can't be serious.

I'm starting to doubt that you're being genuine. Theres no way anyone can be this deluded...And besides, the catgirl animations are still missing the cumshot ending which makes the amount of completed animations: 0
 

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Again with the fishing as a core feature...You can't be serious.

I'm starting to doubt that you're being genuine. Theres no way anyone can be this deluded...And besides, the catgirl animations are still missing the cumshot ending which makes the amount of completed animations: 0
I hate to break it to you, but 5.9 is not the latest release...
And for fishing as mechanic of the game, you don't know how it will play out, so why do you think you can judge that feature. Again, it's a game, not a plain gallery. It will have features that are not directly connected to porn (eventhough I think that fishing will directly lead to some porn animations).
 

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You can bring all the deluded morons you want here, they're still going to make as little sense and be as inept at convincing others that the BS team isn't just a steaming pile of BS as you are.

Furthermore, I'm not attacking you, I'm just pointing out the obvious. I AM attacking the BS team.
 
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I mean, how many are here complaining? 20? 30? There are 20-60 people watching their streams every day, that's already more than the ones complaining in this thread. If I'd bring them all over here, letting them post "this game is gonna be the best shit on the planet", this thread would look differently and I would not be called intentionally-blinded or very foolishly-optimistic.
By all means. If I can hear a convincing explanation for:

a) Why H-Bomb took all of the 'donation voting' money and disappeared for months, then returned with no work done

b) Why it was completely necessary to remove all animations even as placeholders, leaving the game with less content than the vanilla release

c) Why progress is so incredibly slow with what should be 4 full-time developers

d) Why a full months 'update' was overhauling the save system

e) Why the menus are still so clunky

Then I would love to hear it. The problem is that by alternating between "they're getting systems into place" and "I think it has potential" you haven't actually answered any of these questions. I understand that you, personally, think it will be going somewhere. But I'm not convinced, based on past events and current progress updates.

The way you're arguing this has done nothing to convince me, or seemingly others in this thread. I would love an explanation that actually could convince me.
 

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By all means. If I can hear a convincing explanation for:
d) Why a full months 'update' was overhauling the save system
That's the only one I could understand (at least in terms of 1 month of developer work, not in terms of artist work)

Planning a robust solution, one that also able to fit for future planned additons takes a while.
Programming it and testing too.

Sometimes such changes in an existing system are a real horror depending on the system and the tools you have available. Especially if the existing system is a big mess and I am pretty sure that was (still is?) the case here.
 

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After reading last few pages of this thread, I wonder when we'll start seeing jokes like "how many BS dev team members (with/without patrons) does it take to change a light bulb?" ;).
But seriously, I too think that BS has potential (we'll see how it goes), but it does take too damn long. Other than that, I completely agree with thswherizat.
 

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That's the only one I could understand (at least in terms of 1 month of developer work, not in terms of artist work)

Planning a robust solution, one that also able to fit for future planned additons takes a while.
Programming it and testing too.

Sometimes such changes in an existing system are a real horror depending on the system and the tools you have available. Especially if the existing system is a big mess and I am pretty sure that was (still is?) the case here.
I agree that can be important and tricky to fix. However, if we look at the 30k a month they're getting, and imagine that Patreon takes say 20% of that.

So 24k between 4 people (Once again, I'm guessing this is being split evenly which is probably not true) is 6 000 per month each. So dividing that up between the 160 hours that would make four 40 hour work weeks, they're being paid $37.5 per hour. (Please fix my math if I've done it wrong.)

My point there was that for four people being paid that much, they got the single system produced for an entire month's work?
 

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I agree that can be important and tricky to fix. However, if we look at the 30k a month they're getting, and imagine that Patreon takes say 20% of that.

So 24k between 4 people (Once again, I'm guessing this is being split evenly which is probably not true) is 6 000 per month each. So dividing that up between the 160 hours that would make four 40 hour work weeks, they're being paid $37.5 per hour. (Please fix my math if I've done it wrong.)

My point there was that for four people being paid that much, they got the single system produced for an entire month's work?
You have to keep taxes in mind. Self-employment taxes (which is what Patreon is considered by the government) at least double what you have to pay in taxes; from what I've seen, it's somewhere in the 30-45% bracket.

Let's assume as you said that they take away 24k each month. 50% of that goes to taxes, and the rest is split evenly between them. That's about $19 an hour for a 40 hour work week. This is still really nice pay for a team with no professional experience, and I'd be willing to guess they don't dedicate themselves to 40 hours a week. Probably a fraction of that.

So yeah. Even very conservative estimates are paying them WAY more than they deserve for the amount of work they're doing.
 

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I agree that can be important and tricky to fix. However, if we look at the 30k a month they're getting, and imagine that Patreon takes say 20% of that?
I just had to post in here one more time to put this out here again;

PATREON TAKES 10% OF FUNDS AT MAXIMUM

Said it in the thread two or three other times, not putting you down thswehrizat, just wanting people to know accurate stuff for future debating about the game in the thread, Patreon never ever takes anymore than 10% at total maximum, and usually it takes less (like around 7%).
 
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