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How is "you picked the wrong option, now it's game over, guess you should have known which one is right" considered "more options"?

youre spot on. these people will literally look for any reason to complain about anything.
lolwut? "Hey you responding to someone whose posts I've never read before and I have no idea what they've ever said, you are spot on about that person I know nothing about. They complain about anything. Wait this is literally the first criticism they've had of this author and their games? Whatever still spot on."
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Shitty ones, sure.

At least this game lets you save pretty much whenever you want so you can always have a save right before an option comes up in a conversation.
 

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How is "you picked the wrong option, now it's game over, guess you should have known which one is right" considered "more options"?


lolwut? "Hey you responding to someone whose posts I've never read before and I have no idea what they've ever said, you are spot on about that person I know nothing about. They complain about anything. Wait this is literally the first criticism they've had of this author and their games? Whatever still spot on."
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It's called choices and consequences, which is a great game and storyline mechanic, since different playthroughs may be possible depending on your choices. Whats the point of choices if it doesn't affect anything? Sometimes a bad choice can fuck your life up (in this case literally). If I'm remembering correctly he kind of insinuates that people may try to attack her in her home since she denied him. If you are sleeping and someone manages to sneak in and drug you it's not like you have a chance to fight back. This is the consequence of her not accepting the help.

The person is saying people in general will complain about anything not completely singling you out. Your taking that way too much to heart.

Shitty ones, sure.

At least this game lets you save pretty much whenever you want so you can always have a save right before an option comes up in a conversation.
So all games should just be a straight line with no possibility of divergence? If you make a bad choice you make a bad choice. I remember one game whose name I cant remember where because you made the wrong choice near the beginning you waste your whole game-play on a bad end route. It's shitty that you have to play the game again from the beginning but real choices be like that sometimes.

Then again this is H games were talking about, some people just want a save to see the scenes and be done with it. No reason to actually make it a decent game on it's own.
 

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On the newest update you have to go back to the goto building and talk to your guy. Chose Loki and inform him of what's going on. After he will ask what I'm assuming is for him to change your locks or something. To get the new scenes chose refuse and then go to sleep in your bed you may have to sleep two times. After that goons and loki will kidnap her and loki will rape her and then his goons will in another scene. She can either be nude or cloth depending if you have her sleep naked or not. Also, this results in a complete game over so I guess its a bad end.
I got the 202005 download, but the combat level with the rats has only two screens and the Goto building is not implemented
 

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So all games should just be a straight line with no possibility of divergence? If you make a bad choice you make a bad choice. I remember one game whose name I cant remember where because you made the wrong choice near the beginning you waste your whole game-play on a bad end route. It's shitty that you have to play the game again from the beginning but real choices be like that sometimes.

Then again this is H games were talking about, some people just want a save to see the scenes and be done with it. No reason to actually make it a decent game on it's own.
If we're comparing things to real life, it's not as if you can change your mind at literally any goddamn time or anything. Oh but hey, surely you've been a part of conversations where if you said option C you died, right?

Sarcasm aside, these VN style choices are trash because they lock you in with contrived bullshit like somebody sneaking in and drugging you based on a single choice, who the fuck goes to an alien world and crashes at a local gang's safe-house then doesn't bother to make sure the room's secure or that said gang can't gain access as they like? It's not a goddamned motel 8, change the fucking locks. Better yet given that you're part of an organization, don't operate on a hostile planet solo. Those are actual important decisions in which the player gets no say, so forcing the results of them upon us and then going 'oh too bad, you made the wrong choice' when we pick the wrong option for the only choice we're allowed to have a say in is lazy writing and bad design. Just because it's a porn game and we're willing to put up with it for that, doesn't make that an less deserving of criticism.

I do however support systems that track sex stats in an H-game and will give outcomes based upon that as they require, or those that cumulatively take into account conversation options chosen.

And let's not forget that the meat and bones of the game is supposed to be side-scrolling combat, getting a game over from what should be considered a supplementary system is a bit of a shit sandwich too.
 

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I got the 202005 download, but the combat level with the rats has only two screens and the Goto building is not implemented
It's in the newest one from a few days ago.

If we're comparing things to real life, it's not as if you can change your mind at literally any goddamn time or anything. Oh but hey, surely you've been a part of conversations where if you said option C you died, right?

Sarcasm aside, these VN style choices are trash because they lock you in with contrived bullshit like somebody sneaking in and drugging you based on a single choice, who the fuck goes to an alien world and crashes at a local gang's safe-house then doesn't bother to make sure the room's secure or that said gang can't gain access as they like? It's not a goddamned motel 8, change the fucking locks. Better yet given that you're part of an organization, don't operate on a hostile planet solo. Those are actual important decisions in which the player gets no say, so forcing the results of them upon us and then going 'oh too bad, you made the wrong choice' when we pick the wrong option for the only choice we're allowed to have a say in is lazy writing and bad design. Just because it's a porn game and we're willing to put up with it for that, doesn't make that an less deserving of criticism.

I do however support systems that track sex stats in an H-game and will give outcomes based upon that as they require, or those that cumulatively take into account conversation options chosen.

And let's not forget that the meat and bones of the game is supposed to be side-scrolling combat, getting a game over from what should be considered a supplementary system is a bit of a shit sandwich too.
True but if you commited yourself to something and it turns bad you can't just reload a save for a good path. Well not died but yes I did have conversation option where I chose to be berated by a piece of shit to get him to call the warrant off of me and some family. Also, listening to him tell lies about my family and not just punching him or tell him to fuck off. If I decided i wanted to say fuck you to him instead we would've been jailed. So yeah life...

That's the thing though it is clearly stated that she should change the locks. Choosing not to is a complete dumbass thing to do especially if you was threatened. I guess he wanted to make it not just be some moot plot point, otherwise why even bring up that she could be attacked when sleeping. I take it as a more what-if scenario. Would something bad really happen if she didn't change her lock, guess the answer is it would. It's not like you don't get something for choosing an obvious dumb answer. You get 2 H scenes. What other way could that have been played out as a kidnapping? Only other thing I could think of is make it based off of timer or how many times has she gone to sleep with out having the locks change.

It's possible to have multiple genres in a single game. Not saying that it's usually done good but that's a whole other argument.

Also, I'm a dumbass an it's actually not a true gameover. You don't have to reload a save, it drops you off right before falling asleep the 2nd time. So you are still able to go back to her dude and accept his offer. I also should've mentioned that the first time you fall asleep after rejecting the offer, she is awoken at night by I assume Laki group. It may reconfirm that something needs to be done about the locks before something bad happens. I can't read Japanese.
 

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I don't get why you are spending so many words arguing about game fairness over story decisions in a hentai game, which has "deliver arousing hentai scenarios" as its main focus.
Which it does accomplishes here, since "heroine, after making a careless/arrogant decision, gets assaulted in her home, abducted and gangraped for a definite bad end" is pretty fitting for this kind of scenario. Plus you can save at any time to just see that ending, reload and move on.

Now, the annoying way the combat still works with the endless rape-loops without actually being able to die is a different topic, but I hope that Inui will tackle that at some point.

Meanwhile, have a new gif from his Twitter:
 

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I don't get why you are spending so many words arguing about game fairness over story decisions in a hentai game, which has "deliver arousing hentai scenarios" as its main focus.
Which it does accomplishes here, since "heroine, after making a careless/arrogant decision, gets assaulted in her home, abducted and gangraped for a definite bad end" is pretty fitting for this kind of scenario. Plus you can save at any time to just see that ending, reload and move on.
I've already refuted your tired, lazy, sad "it's an H-game so it's fine to have shit mechanics because pronz" argument. As well as already mentioning that it's not exactly damning since one can save at any point in time. But hey, feel free to keep whining about posts you didn't read.
 

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I don't get why you are spending so many words arguing about game fairness over story decisions in a hentai game, which has "deliver arousing hentai scenarios" as its main focus.
Which it does accomplishes here, since "heroine, after making a careless/arrogant decision, gets assaulted in her home, abducted and gangraped for a definite bad end" is pretty fitting for this kind of scenario. Plus you can save at any time to just see that ending, reload and move on.

Now, the annoying way the combat still works with the endless rape-loops without actually being able to die is a different topic, but I hope that Inui will tackle that at some point.

Meanwhile, have a new gif from his Twitter:

I would rather have a bad ending when he fails to escape Laki's kidnapping, while stealthily avoiding hiding places or facing his minions in their weakened state or civilian suit, not only would he bring dynamics to their game , but something cool instead of an abrupt ending like that unless you lose your chance, perhaps it would bring a consequence such as being easy to excite when being sexually harassed by humanoid beings
 

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...while stealthily avoiding hiding places or facing his minions in their weakened state or civilian suit, not only would he bring dynamics to their game , but something cool instead of an abrupt ending like that unless you lose your chance...
Adding stealth mechanics into an 犬factory game would absolutely bring the game into dev-hell. All levels are completely flat, zero objects in them for stealth/hiding (or would have to include hide holes in the background or something), would have to implement deeper line of sight mechanics and an entire new balancing system (auto loss if spotted, or allow for fighting? And if allowing fighting, why wouldn't the player just do the DASHING JUMP KICK through everything, for example)
It's far too much
 

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I guess a side scrolling stealth game could work like Abe's Oddesey
Wouldn't fit this game though
 

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Sounds like he has the next enemy already set up in the cave from his latest post. More excitedly, he has mentioned moving on to the rescue events. "That when the debt to Isolda gets to high she may not come help. So what if a man does and she doesn't have the money?"

I hope he can get that in the next update. Also, hope that maybe he can have enemies do a gangbang like the mafia guys from HotB.
This is a progress report for June 2020.

I'm worried about solving bugs, but the game is well made.
As for the content of the update, first of all, a new enemy is mounted in the innermost part of the Rocke tunnel.
After that, I am thinking of implementing rescue events other than Isolda.

When debt to Isolda swells, Isolda can't come to help.
What if a man other than Isorda came to help?
And if you can't afford the rescue...

There seems to be a danger everywhere that Lena gets into erotic eyes.
I hope you can expect it.
 

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If we're comparing things to real life, it's not as if you can change your mind at literally any goddamn time or anything. Oh but hey, surely you've been a part of conversations where if you said option C you died, right?

Sarcasm aside, these VN style choices are trash because they lock you in with contrived bullshit like somebody sneaking in and drugging you based on a single choice, who the fuck goes to an alien world and crashes at a local gang's safe-house then doesn't bother to make sure the room's secure or that said gang can't gain access as they like? It's not a goddamned motel 8, change the fucking locks. Better yet given that you're part of an organization, don't operate on a hostile planet solo. Those are actual important decisions in which the player gets no say, so forcing the results of them upon us and then going 'oh too bad, you made the wrong choice' when we pick the wrong option for the only choice we're allowed to have a say in is lazy writing and bad design. Just because it's a porn game and we're willing to put up with it for that, doesn't make that an less deserving of criticism.

I do however support systems that track sex stats in an H-game and will give outcomes based upon that as they require, or those that cumulatively take into account conversation options chosen.

And let's not forget that the meat and bones of the game is supposed to be side-scrolling combat, getting a game over from what should be considered a supplementary system is a bit of a shit sandwich too.

This is some of the dumbest armchair design bullshit I've ever read. Different strokes, and all that, but my god man.
 

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Also, I'm a dumbass an it's actually not a true gameover. You don't have to reload a save, it drops you off right before falling asleep the 2nd time. So you are still able to go back to her dude and accept his offer. I also should've mentioned that the first time you fall asleep after rejecting the offer, she is awoken at night by I assume Laki group. It may reconfirm that something needs to be done about the locks before something bad happens. I can't read Japanese.
It used to be instant gameover and you get kicked back to the title screen.
Dev probably changed it to "return to last checkpoint" which is a good compromise between story-telling and not having to save before every choice.
 

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This is some of the dumbest armchair design bullshit I've ever read. Different strokes, and all that, but my god man.
Well done, I applaud your ability to defeat my arguments and counter my points so fully, simply by jeering like a drunken retard in the audience. Wait...

Ya can fuck off with that armchair business too, since in entertainment the audience's analysis is more important than the creator's by nature. Only an idiot eats a shit sandwich he's been served saying; "I don't make sandwiches so my critique isn't valid". Better yet: I AM an authority on game design.
 

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If we're comparing things to real life, it's not as if you can change your mind at literally any goddamn time or anything. Oh but hey, surely you've been a part of conversations where if you said option C you died, right?

Sarcasm aside, these VN style choices are trash because they lock you in with contrived bullshit like somebody sneaking in and drugging you based on a single choice, who the fuck goes to an alien world and crashes at a local gang's safe-house then doesn't bother to make sure the room's secure or that said gang can't gain access as they like? It's not a goddamned motel 8, change the fucking locks. Better yet given that you're part of an organization, don't operate on a hostile planet solo. Those are actual important decisions in which the player gets no say, so forcing the results of them upon us and then going 'oh too bad, you made the wrong choice' when we pick the wrong option for the only choice we're allowed to have a say in is lazy writing and bad design. Just because it's a porn game and we're willing to put up with it for that, doesn't make that an less deserving of criticism.

I do however support systems that track sex stats in an H-game and will give outcomes based upon that as they require, or those that cumulatively take into account conversation options chosen.

And let's not forget that the meat and bones of the game is supposed to be side-scrolling combat, getting a game over from what should be considered a supplementary system is a bit of a shit sandwich too.
Eh, I definitely feel this conversation has run its course at this point, and probably derailed things in here slightly, but still feel the urge to drop my 2 cents on the situation anyways regardless.

Now, probably should best be said that I haven't actually played the update with this bad end yet, so I'm not sure how well painted it is as an over the top "HEY LOOK, THIS IS A BAD END, CLICK THIS IF YOU WANT TO SEE SEXY STUFF", but generally speaking as long as a game makes it super obvious what situation you're getting yourself into, or at least even vaguely so if you're persuing a certain outcome, in this case a particularly lewd one, its not particularly bad really. Though, on some level I do wish it tied more into the actual base, main gameplay, even if I don't mind them adding increasingly more VN related shenanigans, as I do kind of enjoy the blend of the two especially if the story itself, or the scenes it leads to, are of a decent quality. Of course, its reasons like this that VN's, at least in terms of hentai related ones tend to have a manual save feature you can use at pretty much anytime, as I can think of few things MORE frustrating than losing progress, no matter how long, due to a poorly conveyed/pained "GAME OVER" option that hasn't been built up in anyway or simply feels cheap. If in this case, at least from the sound of things, it was more a series of you allowing her to make poor decisions, one after another leading into the game over, I think it'd be completely fine honestly, as its something you are making VERY clear that you want it to happen, kind of like a progressive game over in RPGMaker games, or in the one action game I know of that has a feature like this, Sinisistar. Of course, looping around the tracker thing, this can also make it feel at least some level of organic, I mean hell, if you're characters been defeated/struggle snuggled near 100 times, who knows, maybe she'll be more receptive to sexual advances or seedy situations, leading into more organic and 'earned' bad endings.

In the end, I do definitely think H-games get away with some pretty poor designs as a whole because, well, people mostly want to get the H-content real easily and quick, and don't generally mind losing as the loss itself is a form of fucked up reward, almost like seeing some grizzly scene in Corpse Party or a death animation in something like Resident Evil, where the loss itself is a spectacle all its own. While the latter two never particularly interest me, hell they just make me push myself to win/not lose in such a horrible way so much harder than normal, I can say personally that as bad as it is gameplay wise, something about losing relating to sexual outcomes is pretty enjoyable all its own, and at best I see this just being a way to quickly get into some of said action, though of course at worst its a relatively arbitrary decision that just leads to a quick sex scene and game over that could probably have been just as easily served up as a defeat in actual gameplay, or tied to a more player driven, or even just generally more involved decision then choosing just one single option.

Honestly though, all this being said... why can't we get more games that have Game Over style content just effect the game play and bring some level of consequences/continuity to them, exactly like Sinisistar...even Unbreaker, or even just the way Paperheads does it. I'd honestly kill for more games to have your defeats lead to unique imprisonment/consequences that lead to their own section themselves, or even just have a progressively "worse" outcome the more you lose. But, now things are really getting derailed here xD

At least the new update is something I'll look forward to, directly tying into actual consequence/repeated loss in the gameplay stages themselves. Kinda curious just how far they'll go with these blackmail sort of rescues, and how much they might cause it to effect her reputation/the story down the line...though here's hoping this game gets developed far enough for most of that to even matter.
 

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Honestly though, all this being said... why can't we get more games that have Game Over style content just effect the game play and bring some level of consequences/continuity to them, exactly like Sinisistar...even Unbreaker, or even just the way Paperheads does it. I'd honestly kill for more games to have your defeats lead to unique imprisonment/consequences that lead to their own section themselves, or even just have a progressively "worse" outcome the more you lose. But, now things are really getting derailed here xD
Imprisonment would be a pretty natural route for this game. Every dungeon could basically have some sort of designated escape quest.
Having her become more and more slutty might also be a natural storyline, given that she just ends up serving the guys on the planet in the end.

The stats are already there might as well make use of them.
 
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