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The only thing I'm going to say on this topic, since it's so commonly stated incorrectly.

Pedophilia is being attracted to prepubescent children, aka 13 and under. From my understanding anything older than this is not a mental disorder, and is perfectly normal.
 
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For those that don't really know for whatever reason, "technically" loli is allowed in the USA. Please go read "Miller test" in google and the laws of the USA. In fact, America is ONE OF THE FEW COUNTRIES in the world, that even allow it.

The Miller Test is specifically what's gotten people convicted of loli in the USA.
 
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First off, do not give out any legal advice unless you are a bar certified lawyer.

Secondly, the bad news. The fact that you're on this forum, which contains some of the aforementioned material, means that if someone REALLY wants to legally penalize you they can. The idea of a free and anonymous Internet now is pretty stupid even with all the advertisement for VPN and completely anonymous web surfing. The fact is, if any of these methodology is publicly and commercially available, someone in some government's information services has probably cracked it.

Lastly, execution of the law and prosecuting criminals is a long, lengthy, and expensive process. They are not going to target every small fry with a few pictures because they can't. It doesn't mean that people won't get arrested. The ones that do are either IDIOTS for purchasing and distributing illegal material publicly or showing it off. Or they're just really unlucky.
 
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Example drugs, see in this perspective people first do it cuz of curiosity and keep using and using it again and it became a habit and obsessed about it, untill the day that it snap (he/she got poor and got no money to buy it and the pain started), either he/she will do the bad way (like stealing stuff and sell it) or the good way (accepting the painfully from detoxing).



Not trying to be offensive but you should choose something else as an example, because drugs actually have components in them that cause addiction. You don't "snap" because it became a habit or an obsession (which is why so many people want to stop but can't).
And I can't see where drawn art has any kind of component that causes addiction.
 
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Sorry I forgot mention I live in America. So what does that mean (straight, no personal feeling, 100% law based answer)?
 
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Not trying to be offensive but you should choose something else as an example, because drugs actually have components in them that cause addiction. You don't "snap" because it became a habit or an obsession (which is why so many people want to stop but can't).
And I can't see where drawn art has any kind of component that causes addiction.

You do know the meaning of addiction right? If you keep looking at those picture eventualy it will become a habit, and in the end you want to see it more and more of it. Maybe you dont realise it, but your mind and body want to see more of that thing. Drugs and porn are very common thing they both are addicting. That is why im making example of that. And how you know they cant stop? That is clearly there is a detoxin center/hospital in every country they can just go there but instead because of the habit its hard to stop. Its not like they cant, but they just wont do it because they havent reach that limit yet. The word cant is not an excuse, and yes i say this because i was in that dark moment. So i i know how much pain from the detox and stuff give, aslong you made up your mind to stop and fight that back you can pass it.
 
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How was the alien ship scene in South Park the Stick of Truth aloud to be included and sold all over the US and worldwide? If it's illegal in the US the anal raping of a child definitely should have been removed from the game.
 

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Let me tell you the tale of Simon Lundström. He is a Swedish man who used to work as a translator, translating from Japanese to Swedish. He owns, or at least owned, a huge manga collection, some of which is a bit risque but no hardcore hentai.

Now, he was stupid enough to get married. And when his wife wanted a divorce she also wanted the kids. So, as women too often do in these circumstances she accused him of molesting their children.

The police stormed his house. They did not find any proof of him molesting his children, then or later, but they found manga! OMG! Child porn!!!!! They took all computers and all of the manga, searched it thoroughly and found some drawings they deemed to be child porn.

He immediately lost his job and his children.

The first two courts found him to be guilty of possession of child porn and only the highest court in the country freed him, a few hellish years later. Mostly because he was a translator and thus had an excuse to possess risque manga as part of his job.

Today he is a free man but still treated as toxic. None of the big publishing companies will hire him to work as a translator.

So, legal, illegal. You're fucked either way if the police ever get hold of you.
 
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First off, do not give out any legal advice unless you are a bar certified lawyer.

This is true.

The fact that you're on this forum, which contains some of the aforementioned material

This is not true; the forum itself hosts no game files, and the mods are pretty hardcore about not allowing any links to any loli games/etc as well nor allowing pictures of it to be shown.

How was the alien ship scene in South Park the Stick of Truth aloud to be included and sold all over the US and worldwide? If it's illegal in the US the anal raping of a child definitely should have been removed from the game.

The following isn't legal advice, as most of this is talking about the sociological/cultural factor of things, etc.

From this link;

"“Only the North/South American one is completely uncensored on every platform,” the source wrote. “The Australian one is censored on all platforms, the European and Russian ones are censored on console only, and the German one is censored on console for anal probing etc, and censored on both console and PC for swastikas, Heil Hitler arm salutes, etc. To avoid a ‘Hot Coffee’ type situation, the 20-second-or-so gameplay/cutscene is removed completely from the disc and replaced with the screen you see at the link (times six more 20-second scenes).”"

Basically, the only place this scene got out there was the PC version of it in Europe/Russia and everywhere in the Americas.

As for how it's allowed, it's highly likely a lot of things that went into it;

1) Comedy Central and South Park in particular probably have an INSANE amount of lawyers that managed to find like 50 loopholes in the law that allow them to get this stuff out.

2) In America, at least, and possibly other places in the world, when an entity or show/series becomes popular enough, there's sort of this "unspoken law" that said entity can get away with stretching the law some if this behavior is in line with what's expected of them (or even if it's not). For example, look at how extremely popular celebrities get caught with ridiculous amounts of drugs or weapons, and get 1/10th the jail time an average person would get.

Similarly, there are many shows/movies that routinely break the law or ignore it outright, and are generally allowed to get away with it due to the above reason. South Park in particular has been a show that has frequently pushed and broken what was considered acceptable and allowed in the media for well over a decade now, so that's a real likely reason why they were allowed to do this kinda stuff.

3) As someone noted earlier with the Miller Test, this results in yet another situation; the Miller Test frequently applies to individuals far more than it does to large corporations, due to it being used on a state by state and area by area basis.

Because of this, when you have something sold over the internet, it becomes much harder to enact the Miller Test, as it's usually pointed back to the person of creation's area. (For example, if you lived in say, Alabama and you were making something and it got sold on the internet, the Miller Test would likely apply/trigger only if the people in your area in Alabama got pissed off at what you had released online).

HOWEVER, who do you point the finger at when you have something like South Park, where THOUSANDS of people from almost every continent have likely had a hand in its production, not to mention Comedy Central itself being involved?

All that said, honestly, it's just not worth the risk to get involved with/make loli projects/download or watch it, when there's a million other fetishes out there that are, IMO, a hell of a lot better (and safer) to be involved with, lol, and that goes for even if it WAS legal to download/own/make stuff of it.
 
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Stupid bullshit

Despite Japan being the originator for all this loli porn it has one of the lowest rates of sexual assault on children in the entire world.

Since there is a lot of misinformation in the thread. No loli is not illegal, importing it however is. Loli can get you locked up due it failing the Miller test but the Miller test is a load of bull in the first place so its a moot point. Normal porn can fail the Miller test too since its highly subjective.

There has never been a single person jailed for owning loli manga in the US, note the word owning and not importing since there is a distinction, that did not either plead guilty or people like Thad who had actual CP on their computer and the loli doujins were pretty irrelevant.
 
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@Hentaiwriter

I didn't know that about the forums so thank you. Kudos to the admin team. Although I would like to point out it's really easy to come into contact with material containing some lolicon regardless of how careful you are when searching for hentai.

Anyway, this thread served its purpose and now is being derailed. Let's stop before the opinionated flame war begins.
 
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Sorry I forgot mention I live in America. So what does that mean (straight, no personal feeling, 100% law based answer)?

The short answer is: Technically it is not specifically illegal, but you should treat it as if it were. If you have it, you are taking a risk.

If you live in the USA, you should know it doesn't matter whether it is illegal, if the wrong person sees it, they can sue you into poverty and there is nothing you can do about it. (unless you are able to afford a better lawyer)

As for how it's allowed, it's highly likely a lot of things that went into it;

1) Comedy Central and South Park in particular probably have an INSANE amount of lawyers that managed to find like 50 loopholes in the law that allow them to get this stuff out.

2) In America, at least, and possibly other places in the world, when an entity or show/series becomes popular enough, there's sort of this "unspoken law" that said entity can get away with stretching the law some if this behavior is in line with what's expected of them (or even if it's not). For example, look at how extremely popular celebrities get caught with ridiculous amounts of drugs or weapons, and get 1/10th the jail time an average person would get.

Similarly, there are many shows/movies that routinely break the law or ignore it outright, and are generally allowed to get away with it due to the above reason. South Park in particular has been a show that has frequently pushed and broken what was considered acceptable and allowed in the media for well over a decade now, so that's a real likely reason why they were allowed to do this kinda stuff.

3) As someone noted earlier with the Miller Test, this results in yet another situation; the Miller Test frequently applies to individuals far more than it does to large corporations, due to it being used on a state by state and area by area basis.

I would add to this that South Park is widely known as a comedy, people are going to view that very differently than something like an H game where the intent is to illicit arousal from the player.
 
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Why the hell do we have a 3 page long thread about a question google could have answered for the OP?

As an aside, a good rule of thumb is that if you're not sure whether something is illegal or not, assume that it is. What you do after that? Your problem.
 
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OK, OK, good talk guys. However why is this thread in the Hentai Games section?
 
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We'll just call it an exercise of good discussion and self-restraint and leave it at that.

Thread locked.
 
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