VN/TEXT RPG Active NTR [Makura cover soft] Dungeon and Bride

[A Lost Cat]

Hmm, maybe. I just checked - a sorcerer (sylph) with 40 intellect (with a ring and 30 without) has 8 combat magic slots against 7 for a bard (gnome) with 23 intellect. Both are level 20. But the dependence is somehow not obvious.

There is also a possibility that some classes get less spellslots, especially two-type casters get slower spell-level learning progression even with high stats. I'm pretty sure the game is treating classes like valkyrie and monk as "half casters" like D&D does, and they get slower progression (often starting with no levels and only starting to get them at like lv5-8 or whatever, i can't remember. Bard could be one of those.

But more slots also seem to be ablke to be gained if you buy spells early, and learn them that way, one time i had someone snag a high spell very early, but nothing between, and i got more spellslots on the higher spell before the ones in lower tiers caught up, it was kindof odd.

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On another note, after doing a handful of rounds of leveling that group i mentioned before to check race vs class stat gain, i think it's actually just random, so savescumming for stats could be viable, but probably isn't necessarry in any fashion unless you want to class-change quicker. The dwarf didn't get more str often, or anything. Also i lost my data on it twice due to power outages. bleh.

 

[SoulLess Child]

Hmm, maybe. I just checked - a sorcerer (sylph) with 40 intellect (with a ring and 30 without) has 8 combat magic slots against 7 for a bard (gnome) with 23 intellect. Both are level 20. But the dependence is somehow not obvious.

There is also a possibility that some classes get less spellslots, especially two-type casters get slower spell-level learning progression even with high stats. I'm pretty sure the game is treating classes like valkyrie and monk as "half casters" like D&D does, and they get slower progression (often starting with no levels and only starting to get them at like lv5-8 or whatever, i can't remember. Bard could be one of those.

But more slots also seem to be ablke to be gained if you buy spells early, and learn them that way, one time i had someone snag a high spell very early, but nothing between, and i got more spellslots on the higher spell before the ones in lower tiers caught up, it was kindof odd.

Come to think of it, in D&D and derivatives, different casting classes use different casting stats, could it be the case here?

 

[A Lost Cat]

Come to think of it, in D&D and derivatives, different casting classes use different casting stats, could it be the case here?

Oh certainly, the requirements for each class makes perfect sense for the spell types they learn, and i'm reasonably sure it matches up to them getting spells and slots, but i'm also decently sure each double-type caster has a main and a sub spell type, since they always seem to advance a little faster in one over the other, even if the class name doesn't make as much sense, such as Druid being both priest and alchemy? it feels like a reach that in D&D druids are 'divine' casters who don't need to learn spells, but also have a lot of nature oriented magic that wizards don't get access to, which would be mage-magic in here.

Obviously, the priest casters (cleric, bishop, druid, valkyrie, monk, & lord) have wisdom requirements (11, 15, 12, 11, 11, 13, respectively),
while mage casters (wizard, bishop, bard, sorcerer, & dervish) have intelligence requirements (11, 15, 11, 15, 12, respectively),
But alchemy casters (alchemist, druid, sorcerer, & assassin) also use intelligence (13, 12, 15, 14, respectively)

ones that cover priest and either of the other types, have both stat requirements, which is just bishop or druid.

Summoning doesn't seem to rely on any stat, and more depends on how early you get the summons of any particular tier, so getting more summon slots kindof hinges on getting to those places and beating that enemy at a lower level. Even if the only class that can even get summons beyond the slime has a wisdom req.

 

[ChupacabraGonzales]

Come to think of it, in D&D and derivatives, different casting classes use different casting stats, could it be the case here?

No, each stat has its own specific effect.

 

[KillerDxD]

Kinda out of the loop since version 2.06, is the trial version transferred over to the product version after the temple?

 

[ChupacabraGonzales]

Kinda out of the loop since version 2.06, is the trial version transferred over to the product version after the temple?

I mean what's the point of not starting over in the final release version? The prologue in the trial version is incomplete and skips a lot of scenes and events. (the ones that get summarized by narration)

 

[Xebit]

Oh certainly, the requirements for each class makes perfect sense for the spell types they learn, and i'm reasonably sure it matches up to them getting spells and slots, but i'm also decently sure each double-type caster has a main and a sub spell type, since they always seem to advance a little faster in one over the other

I actually looked into this after the talk about classes before.

The deductions here are on the money. Spell slots, and spells for non-summoners, are gained on level up for any spell level the job has access to naturally, if their casting stat is above a certain threshold. That's Intelligence (internal name intellect) for Mages and Alchemists; and Faith (internal name piety) for Priests and Summoners.

Spellbooks give a free spell slot on learn.
Intelligence feeds into appraisal chance, so that's the main benefit of that ring while we don't have spell damage scaling for casters.
Stat gain is a fixed 0.5 chance regardless of stat, job and race, which doesn't really make sense.


As speculated, Assassin, Lord etc are basically half casters. The three dedicated casters are rank A, the three dual casters are rank C, everything else is rank B.

Spoiler: You'd be able to work this out from the game itself, but if I read the formulae right, the learn levels are

Rank	1	2	3	4	5	6	7	8	9	Gap
A	1	3	5	7	9	11	13	15	17	+2
B (m)	4	7	10	13	16	19	22	25	28	+3
B (a, p)	6	9	12	15	18	21	24	27	31	+4
C (m, a)	1	5	9	13	17	21	25	29	33	+4
C (p)	4	8	12	16	20	24	28	32	36	+4

m = Mage, p = Priest, a = Alchemist

So dual casters get screwed over the most, getting spells way past their period of greatest use, bar 1-3 casts of whatever they can learn from a spellbook. Next time I make a caster, it will be a Priest!

 

[A Lost Cat]

I actually looked into this after the talk about classes before.

The deductions here are on the money. Spell slots, and spells for non-summoners, are gained on level up for any spell level the job has access to naturally, if their casting stat is above a certain threshold. That's Intelligence (internal name intellect) for Mages and Alchemists; and Faith (internal name piety) for Priests and Summoners.

Spellbooks give a free spell slot on learn.
Intelligence feeds into appraisal chance, so that's the main benefit of that ring while we don't have spell damage scaling for casters.
Stat gain is a fixed 0.5 chance regardless of stat, job and race, which doesn't really make sense.


As speculated, Assassin, Lord etc are basically half casters. The three dedicated casters are rank A, the three dual casters are rank C, everything else is rank B.

Spoiler: You'd be able to work this out from the game itself, but if I read the formulae right, the learn levels are

Rank	1	2	3	4	5	6	7	8	9	Gap
A	1	3	5	7	9	11	13	15	17	+2
B (m)	4	7	10	13	16	19	22	25	28	+3
B (a, p)	6	9	12	15	18	21	24	27	31	+4
C (m, a)	1	5	9	13	17	21	25	29	33	+4
C (p)	4	8	12	16	20	24	28	32	36	+4

m = Mage, p = Priest, a = Alchemist

So dual casters get screwed over the most, getting spells way past their period of greatest use, bar 1-3 casts of whatever they can learn from a spellbook. Next time I make a caster, it will be a Priest!

If this is how it is in the code, then that really solidifies my position for starting out making a team with a dedicated Wizard, Cleric, & Alchemist character, to optimize getting the spells faster, then multiclass them for secondary abilities (bishop's purification, dervish/assassin instant kill, etc), extra spell-types (druid bishop or sorcerer whatever has the two types their original didn't), or to convert to a basic-dps or support so they don't have to burn spells all the time (spear valkyrie, sleighbell bard, or whatever)

Having to get to lv 28-36 is pretty terrible, when 17 finishes it off with a straight full-caster.

And it's actually kindof wasteful to start as warrior, hunter or any other non-caster (besides thief since chests are a nightmare without one) since physical skills and stats don't carry over at all, if you intend for that character to classchange at all.

With a little planning and some of the class-change items you can even skip levelling them up if the stats are fine, such as druid -> monk with that really good fighting-staff, or thief -> assassin with the short dagger (though that kindof sucks on getting those alchemist spell slots and levels if you swap this way, iirc, they don't retroactively pop in like how hp will)