Multiple Cases of Traced Art Found in Pussy Saga

[AGamerPassingBy]

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My personal goal in all this is to make sure that we try to push the scene into a positive and more accepted direction.

I'm personally not interested in any of Nutaku's F2P games so far, but I think even that side of the industry can been done well.

Shit like this causes bumps in that process though and disillusions consumers. Its hard enough trying to promote and encourage quality, but stuff like this sets bad examples for people who get into developing titles.

A wave of change is coming even though we still don't have "THAT" amazing studio or team in the west making amazing and enjoyable titles back to back to help push the industry. The closest thing we have to that is Ryan, the creator of HuniePop, but Ryan seems to have his own personal agenda instead of trying to instill standards in the west.

Even Illusion is making steps now to sell material in the west again. Which should be the biggest wake up call considering the amount of harm the RapePlay incident did to hentai coming to the west.

Nutaku is ultimately a business and while I'm sure they want better products for sale on thier store, they still a corporation with the intent of making cash. Its up to us as community to not allow trash like this to pass and call it out when we see it.

Very, very good points, and i can say i couldn't agree more.

All in all, risk is always there, so the will and preparedness to make things right the moment something goes wrong really are counts.

 

[Yoshiiki]

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Uh-oh,
They were really impudent just ripping everything like that.
I could understand tracing and using other images as reference when learning. If I am not mistaken, many manga artists start just like that (good example: reason why Yamada-kun to 7-nin no Majo and Fairy Tail look similar is because author of Yamada & 7 witches worked with Mashima as his assistant. Sure, her art changed over the time, but similarities are still there).
Even in west comics you can find examples of "plagiarism".
But, with big but(t), there is a difference. Sure, imitation is the sincerest form of flattery but this?
It's more like all those Chinese bootlegs (if all those CGs were made by outsourcing it to some guy from China, I will laugh my ass off xD), made in easiest and cheapest way.

On the other note, Illusion is making steps again towards west? That's an interesting information. And here I was, sitting and waiting until porn games industry in west will do what mainstream game industry did years ago (overtake the market). Let's hope that they won't get scared by some screaming snowflake that can't distinguish fiction from reality...

 

[Skolldir]

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I'm more concerned about the text than the obviously traced CG. I mean, that dialog. Are there people that actually find that erotic? That actually find that good in any aspect? I very literally cringed after reading that.

 

[AGamerPassingBy]

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I'm more concerned about the text than the obviously traced CG. I mean, that dialog. Are there people that actually find that erotic? That actually find that good in any aspect? I very literally cringed after reading that.

Well, at least they didn't trace the dialog scripts ... did they?

 

[TheLordofRopes]

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Actually, they plagiarized much of it from Fifty Shades of Grey.

 

[censuur]

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Just so I'm understanding this correctly. You're complaining about people stealing intellectual property on a forum often revolving around piracy?

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Of course, I understand that there is a difference between such distribution and blatant profiteering off someone else's work, but this does seem like an odd place to complain about such a thing

 

[Manamana]

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I'm more concerned about the text than the obviously traced CG. I mean, that dialog. Are there people that actually find that erotic? That actually find that good in any aspect? I very literally cringed after reading that.

It's crude, but good writers are a rarity, all the more in western adult games.

 

[nnescio]

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It's crude, but good writers are a rarity, all the more in western adult games.

Eh, a lot of the DLsite JP stuff also have shitty writing.

 

[Manamana]

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Eh, a lot of the DLsite JP stuff also have shitty writing.

Of course, but you can still find more quality writing there. It's probably because the western adult "industry" is still pretty young.

 

[Keyen]

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Guys, you are talking about a game which blatantly stole the game concept from HuniePop, and you are surprised they also stole artworks?

 

[Manamana]

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Guys, you are talking about a game which blatantly stole the game concept from HuniePop, and you are surprised they also stole artworks?

There is a difference between making a diablo-like game and deliberately copy-pasting assets from the blizzard game.
Games are always using concepts from successful other games, that doesn't mean that they will also steal the used art.

 

[Keyen]

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There is a difference between making a diablo like and doing exactly diablo 2 with 2-3 names changed and skills renamed.

 

[Manamana]

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There is a difference between making a diablo like and doing exactly diablo 2 with 2-3 names changed and skills renamed.

I understand your point, and kind of agree by default, as I haven't played either of these games, but for me the line was crossed with the blatant plagiarism.

 

[nnescio]

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Of course, but you can still find more quality writing there. It's probably because the western adult "industry" is still pretty young.

Well, I do suppose that most of the games on DLsite are made by native Japanese speakers writing in Japanese (barring a very small number of Chinese devs and the even smaller minority of Western devs), so the writing is usually at least comprehensible no matter how shitty it is.

The same can't be said of Western H-game devs writing in English. Seen plenty of examples where the person doing the writing was obviously not a native English speaker.

Of course, once we start to compare professionals (i.e. incorporated companies), the gap widens even more, I admit.

 

[Sue Nami]

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So when are we going after the people making "The Witcher" armor for a Skyrim mod?

Pls let me know 2 days in advance so I can bring the pitchforks.

 

[Sarav]

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So when are we going after the people making "The Witcher" armor for a Skyrim mod?

Pls let me know 2 days in advance so I can bring the pitchforks.

Didn't they get permission for that? And also, are they making money off of it?

 

[Manamana]

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So when are we going after the people making "The Witcher" armor for a Skyrim mod?

Pls let me know 2 days in advance so I can bring the pitchforks.

Big difference between a mod (see the total star wars conversions of many space games for example), and an actual complete game that is here to make profit. Try to use star wars assets in a new game and I'll guarantee you'll see quickly the (judicial) difference.
Especially here as it's even trying to disguise the original work by recolor and changes.

 

[censuur]

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Didn't they get permission for that? And also, are they making money off of it?

Only the permission is relevant (they didn't) whether or not they make money off of it has no bearing here, what is relevant is this clause called "fair use" which is why things like webcomics can put Mario in their comics without getting sued, but it doesn't fall under that in this case either.

Honestly though I fail to see the big deal here. Not only is this a blatant rip-off of Hunie-pop (which in turn was a blatant rip-off) but this kind of nonsense isn't exactly uncommon, I'd be much more concerned by the overall scummy business model or again, stealing the actual concept. If I were to get upset over this I'd also have to get upset over things like ex-hentai ripping entire manga, doujin, cg sets and art galleries.

Now, I'm open to being convinced why this should be a big deal and why I should be dusting off ol' forky and ol' burny, but so far it seems a whole load of nothing over something that has been going on since the inception of the internet.

If you're the author of the original art, take legal action where possible, no need to involve people beside the author and the plagiarizer here.

 

[szarala]

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Try to use star wars assets in a new game and I'll guarantee you'll see quickly the (judicial) difference.

If there's one group of lawyers on the planet that you absolutely don't fuck with, its Disney's.

 

[AGamerPassingBy]

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Now, I'm open to being convinced why this should be a big deal and why I should be dusting off ol' forky and ol' burny, but so far it seems a whole load of nothing over something that has been going on since the inception of the internet.

If you're the author of the original art, take legal action where possible, no need to involve people beside the author and the plagiarizer here.

For the record, this thread's original purpose was simply to spread the news, and maybe convince those who surprisingly can waste money on this game to stop paying.
The only really big deal that could be resulted from this is the fact that this game is one of the top-ranked (yeah, can't you believe it?) western-made game on Nutaku, which people fear could harm Western Adult Game Industries growth in general at both short and long term.

That's all.