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(Nutaku) Milenium War Aigis (English Version)


Re: (Nutaku) Milenium War Aigis (English Version)

Rawr1125 said:
My understanding was the increased drop rate only affected story missions. So that would not include orb maps.

I could be mistaken though.

Unless you mean the previous drop rate increase.
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That's correct 2 weeks ago during the increase drop for the dailies i got the short end of the stick that friday, even 4/4 healer orb the following monday and i don't have more healers to AW :/

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Thanks khawk016 i think i can come up with a strat that works for me if i combine those two, i have AW40 Sherry but i'm missing Aria, also my healing department is compose of an 18UP AW50 Fedora + 19UP AW40 Iris and 2 CC50 Alissa (i don't like Dorka). It should work if a lvl them a bit more and prepare my unCC Julian for it, now let's hope Phyllis can work has a third soldier.
 
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Just brought Katie to CC 60, all I need now is a spare 3* soldier + Spirit of awakening. I don't think she requires an orb to awaken. Can't see the requirement anywhere.

I have my doubts its such a brilliant move to do that because that'll make her 16 UP just to summon. Too expensive for a early ramp. Unless I pay SC for extra 5 UP at start..
 
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razisgosu said:
2? Try 5. My Iris costs 19.
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Well , Black Iris original UP is 22 garbagegosu

khawk016 said:
believe hes comparing to b iris who would be 22 cost not sure if he is though it just makes more sense
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Yes that's what I'm trying to say , Black Iris initial is 22 UP

Eab1990 said:
Black Iris eclipses Liana either way, so no, it doesn't really make sense.
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Black Iris is def better , she is gatcha and Black allright~
I'm not saying otherwise >.>
I just hate that he said that garbage out of nowhere
As expected from garbageperson himself
 
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Ericridge said:
Just brought Katie to CC 60, all I need now is a spare 3* soldier + Spirit of awakening. I don't think she requires an orb to awaken. Can't see the requirement anywhere.

I have my doubts its such a brilliant move to do that because that'll make her 16 UP just to summon. Too expensive for a early ramp. Unless I pay SC for extra 5 UP at start..
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AW has a much heavier cost than 1 3 star soldier.

Soldier awakening costs:
200k gold
soldier orbs depending on rarity(gold=1,plat=2,black=3)
1CCd silver soldier/gold soldier
1CCd silver bandit/gold bandit
1CCd silver rogue/gold rogue
100% affection
Max lvl.

Katie does not gain cost upon awakening.The only units that gain cost on awakening are Heavy Armors,and Heavy Mages.

You can check awakening requirements when you go to their awakening menu.
For Katie you would go Units->Awakening->Soldier->and click on Katie there.
 
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Huh, It never said anything about gold cost in the awakening screen, this is basically what I see. And any of other requirements.

All it said was max lvl + Trust to me when she wasn't max lvl lol.
 

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Re: (Nutaku) Milenium War Aigis (English Version)

Ericridge said:
Huh, It never said anything about gold cost in the awakening screen, this is basically what I see. And any of other requirements.

All it said was max lvl + Trust to me when she wasn't max lvl lol.
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it brings up the other costs in a confirmation window after hitting select

side note the amount of gold needed increases with rarity aswell i believe its 250k for plats and 300k for blacks
 
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Larcx said:
Well , Black Iris original UP is 22 garbagegosu

Yes that's what I'm trying to say , Black Iris initial is 22 UP

Black Iris is def better , she is gatcha and Black allright~
I'm not saying otherwise >.>
I just hate that he said that garbage out of nowhere
As expected from garbageperson himself
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Except Black Iris has literally nothing to do with what we were discussing at all, so I don't even know why you brought her up. Black Iris costs more, she's also a significantly stronger healer than any of the examples I brought up. Obviously she's worth the extra points.

All you've done with your posts is troll, mock me, and insult me. If you don't have something serious to bring to the discussion maybe you should just stop because this is just making you look like an ass. Your ability to prove just how utterly childish you are is hilarious though.
 
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razisgosu said:
Except Black Iris has literally nothing to do with what we were discussing at all, so I don't even know why you brought her up. Black Iris costs more, she's also a significantly stronger healer than any of the examples I brought up. Obviously she's worth the extra points.

All you've done with your posts is troll, mock me, and insult me. If you don't have something serious to bring to the discussion maybe you should just stop because this is just making you look like an ass. Your ability to prove just how utterly childish you are is hilarious though.
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b iris the unit she replaced and the reason she is overpriced is cause she was never meant to be there not defending him but b iris is the reason we have this problem as it is
they could have cut her cost by 2 and everyone would still be pissed but no one would have a future event unit in there inventory then increase b iris by 2 and we all rule the world with her cause you know where this thought pattern goes but it will never happen shes to good

they could have and should have left them both out of gatcha if they knew b iris couldnt be in at that stage of development
 
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Liana's cost remains prohibitively high, because she's an event unit, nobody is arguing her event status. But that fact is precisely the reason she becomes less than stellar for a black, particularly our only black healer.

My point remains, which Larcx can't seem to comprehend, is that for 24 cost, Liana does not bring enough to the table, unless you do have to cleanse, then she's unique and actually does something the other healers cannot. Gold Iris with a high enough skill probably perform equal to or better than Liana over time and Fedora can get massive reach far easier due to the much easier access to the range II skill. Not to mention both these healers cost less meaning they can be deployed earlier in addition to any units coming after them also being deployed earlier.

That has literally been all I'm trying to say. I don't know why it's so difficult for him to get and he's let this drag on for 3-4 pages now.
 
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razisgosu said:
Liana's cost remains prohibitively high, because she's an event unit, nobody is arguing her event status. But that fact is precisely the reason she becomes less than stellar for a black, particularly our only black healer.

My point remains, which Larcx can't seem to comprehend, is that for 24 cost, Liana does not bring enough to the table, unless you do have to cleanse, then she's unique and actually does something the other healers cannot. Gold Iris with a high enough skill probably perform equal to or better than Liana over time and Fedora can get massive reach far easier due to the much easier access to the range II skill. Not to mention both these healers cost less meaning they can be deployed earlier in addition to any units coming after them also being deployed earlier.

That has literally been all I'm trying to say. I don't know why it's so difficult for him to get and he's let this drag on for 3-4 pages now.
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larcx spends over 20 SCs farming a silver heavy during a collection event on a not-collection-item-efficient map and goes over 1.8k collection item. you expect him to understand efficiency?
 
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razisgosu said:
Liana's cost remains prohibitively high, because she's an event unit, nobody is arguing her event status. But that fact is precisely the reason she becomes less than stellar for a black, particularly our only black healer.

My point remains, which Larcx can't seem to comprehend, is that for 24 cost, Liana does not bring enough to the table, unless you do have to cleanse, then she's unique and actually does something the other healers cannot. Gold Iris with a high enough skill probably perform equal to or better than Liana over time and Fedora can get massive reach far easier due to the much easier access to the range II skill. Not to mention both these healers cost less meaning they can be deployed earlier in addition to any units coming after them also being deployed earlier.

That has literally been all I'm trying to say. I don't know why it's so difficult for him to get and he's let this drag on for 3-4 pages now.
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skill reliance is what i got from his posts as in he doesnt like it
b iris max atk is 648 liana is 637 just a 11 point difference while other healers can out do during there respective skill liana can do that without a skill all the time sit and forget b iris skill is amazing for phys atks but if everything has magic her skill is worthless the same as liana i believe this is what hes meaning
i agree in some ways i would rather spend more up to make sure my units dont die then rely on a skill as ive experienced it a skill thats keeping my unit up runs out with a 30 sec cooldown then boom dead no more 3 star for you
 
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razisgosu said:
Liana's cost remains prohibitively high, because she's an event unit, nobody is arguing her event status. But that fact is precisely the reason she becomes less than stellar for a black, particularly our only black healer.

My point remains, which Larcx can't seem to comprehend, is that for 24 cost, Liana does not bring enough to the table, unless you do have to cleanse, then she's unique and actually does something the other healers cannot. Gold Iris with a high enough skill probably perform equal to or better than Liana over time and Fedora can get massive reach far easier due to the much easier access to the range II skill. Not to mention both these healers cost less meaning they can be deployed earlier in addition to any units coming after them also being deployed earlier.

That has literally been all I'm trying to say. I don't know why it's so difficult for him to get and he's let this drag on for 3-4 pages now.
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It's funny if you do the math:
For example comparing the heal power per single UP between Gold Iris and Liana you get

23,8 G. Iris and 24,3 Liana when both units are max leveled, 100% and CC'd

So Liana only is slightly slightly better even though you have to raise her through 20 extra levels to get her to 80
If you compare them at Awakening max Level though:

27,7 G Iris and 26,5 Liana when both are max Level, 100% and AW'ed

Gold Iris actually beats a non Cost Reduced Liana in per-UP Healing Power.
And now imagine throwing Fedora into the Race, because with Awakening her min-cost is 16, so her per UP-cost power is 32,4!
And that is exactly what razisgosu is saying with "She doesn't bring enough meat to the table for what she costs."

The only reason to ever use Liana normally/casually is if other healers simply were not able to do the job in a certain situation where you simply need MOAR POWAH. And later on when statuses are more common, the worth of Liana does rise,
AND as Sashas mentioned below me, of course if you plan to use her in a maps lategame where cost doesn't matter.

IF we would have gotten her in the event with the chance to min-cost her her per UP-cost power for CC would be 30,6 and for AW 33,5. This is why many people here say we got a gimped black unit for what she's worth.
 
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razisgosu said:
Liana's cost remains prohibitively high, because she's an event unit, nobody is arguing her event status. But that fact is precisely the reason she becomes less than stellar for a black, particularly our only black healer.

My point remains, which Larcx can't seem to comprehend, is that for 24 cost, Liana does not bring enough to the table, unless you do have to cleanse, then she's unique and actually does something the other healers cannot. Gold Iris with a high enough skill probably perform equal to or better than Liana over time and Fedora can get massive reach far easier due to the much easier access to the range II skill. Not to mention both these healers cost less meaning they can be deployed earlier in addition to any units coming after them also being deployed earlier.

That has literally been all I'm trying to say. I don't know why it's so difficult for him to get and he's let this drag on for 3-4 pages now.
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I believe you are really missing the point, you called her garbage at max cost and so offended him.
If you call a unit garbage, generally that means you will never use them in any situation if you have another of the same type.

As someone thats used Liana cost has never entered my consideration of her, I used her purely for her strong healing, after placing both gold healers.
There are many places where 3 or more healers are used and disregarding Liana for these is wrong, this brings us back to your point she costs too much, if you place her as a third healer, generally you will not care about her cost.

You've insulted him via Liana and he's insulted you, your arguments are falling on deaf ears and you both seem childish over this but I would expect it of Larcx.
 
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And here's what i don't get, why would they put an event unit for a premiun? It would have been better if they choose a plat high tier unit or simple don't put anything at all, is not like they replace every unit that was not put ingame from the get go (ex: Misha) several units where cut off without explanation.

Oh well, all this is pointless now, first we don't have B.Iris so we can't argue about her, second since she is a black unit little people will get if she ever gets put ingame, if i remember rigth the autor of the character also plays this game and not even he has manage to pull her when she has been in the spotlight.
 
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Liana IS garbage if you have a plat healer.

Seeing as I have both Camilla and Chydis, I've never needed Liana, even for paralysis maps. I didn't even bother CC'ing her because of the stupid cost.
 
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btw, please note that AW healers are supposed to half paralysis duration. the usual numbers I heard is 12s paralysis, which is reduced to 6s with a saint (AW healer class name)
 
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Eab1990 said:
Liana IS garbage if you have a plat healer.

Seeing as I have both Camilla and Chydis, I've never needed Liana, even for paralysis maps. I didn't even bother CC'ing her because of the stupid cost.
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Yeah I guess Lilia is garbage too if You have Sherry~
 
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I tried to be civil and induce some calm friendship, but that didn't work. Time to brute force this argument.

My third healer is still Echidna.

Get on my level of overpriced, inefficient healing.
 
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