(Nutaku) Milenium War Aigis (English Version)

[Orion]

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Neat, Fran. Would've liked Chloe or Yurina, but hey at least we're continuing to get the 2014 DMM skipped events and Noel/Kagura isn't the only one anymore. If both the Main and the Alt didn't have Elizabeth I would've bothered with her, but since they do I'll just be going for the SC, then continue gathering resources/raising unit levels.

 

[AE1992]

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If you have Elizabeth is Fran not worth trying to max?

 

[xaxs]

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If you have Elizabeth is Fran not worth trying to max?

As far as I saw Elizabeth is quite better and I don't think there'll be a lot of situations that you will need more than one vampire hunter.


Edit: Got question - how much higher are stats with Waltz skill active, when she is... let's say just barely CC'ed (I'll be lucky if I can CC her in time anyway ).

 

[Xion]

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Not true. Most poison maps do 40 damage/sec (2 ticks of 20 every second). The poison is only "halved" by a level 50 sophie at 20hp per second. Even an awakened sophie (36/sec) will not outheal poison.

Sorry dude your wrong, as long as the unit is not taking damage (like a range unit or a melee out of the line of fire) Sophie's heal works wonders on ill stats maps, i know this since i have her on dmm and used her for that purpose ever since Miruno was add last year. Of course AW Sophie does a better job but the point remains she can out heal the poison/heat effect as long as the unit is not getting hit.

The one that "Halves" the damage from poison/heat maps is the feng shui class, thats their job actually, look at their class trait if you don't believe it. (Up to 70% after AW)

As far as I saw Elizabeth is quite better and I don't think there'll be a lot of situations that you will need more than one vampire hunter.

There are several situations where two or three VH are require, maps that have undead in them are just begining to aproach so is never a bad idea to have a VH that can tank some damage (Fran) on your team. Plus there is a special majin whose sole map is undead everywhere (Bifrons) and killing them is a chore w/o a several VH.

 

[alpha10th]

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If you have Elizabeth is Fran not worth trying to max?

Yes, don't bother.

Elizabeth is more than enough.

Edit: Got question - how much higher are stats with Waltz skill active, when she is... let's say just barely CC'ed (I'll be lucky if I can CC her in time anyway ).

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[khawk016]

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There are several situations where two or three VH are require, maps that have undead in them are just begining to aproach so is never a bad idea to have a VH that can tank some damage (Fran) on your team. Plus there is a special majin whose sole map is undead everywhere (Bifrons) and killing them is a chore w/o a several VH.

i have sue on dmm and my other raised vh fran hardly ever sees the light of day like once in a blue moon at best
granted sues insane but im sure elizabeth with her quick shot could do just as much work ive even seen her do so those 2 water dragons were nothing more then fodder to her

 

[Ericridge]

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I'm looking forward to Fran. That is all. I don't' got anything meaningful to contribute beyond that.

 

[Myon]

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I'm looking forward to Fran. That is all. I don't' got anything meaningful to contribute beyond that.

Same. I look forward to each new character. Good or not, gotta get them all.

 

[Xion]

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i have sue on dmm and my other raised vh fran hardly ever sees the light of day like once in a blue moon at best
granted sues insane but im sure elizabeth with her quick shot could do just as much work ive even seen her do so those 2 water dragons were nothing more then fodder to her

jajajajajaja is fun how life works no?? I also have Sue in dmm, she is CC50 max skill but i rather use CC70 Fran Skill 7/10 why? I worked too hard to min cost her before the whole daily revival got implemented and suffer to much to left her aside, Sue on the other hand is fast and all but i've been too busy raising other blacks to show her some love though.

 

[khawk016]

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jajajajajaja is fun how life works no?? I also have Sue in dmm, she is CC50 max skill but i rather use CC70 Fran Skill 7/10 why? I worked too hard to min cost her before the whole daily revival got implemented and suffer to much to left her aside, Sue on the other hand is fast and all but i've been too busy raising other blacks to show her some love though.

all the plat+ vh are about the same really skill wise sue gets range liz shoots fast and fran becomes a tank all with 1.7-9 atk buffs
so it doesnt make a huge difference which one you go with there all great

 

[xaxs]

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There are several situations where two or three VH are require, maps that have undead in them are just begining to aproach so is never a bad idea to have a VH that can tank some damage (Fran) on your team. Plus there is a special majin whose sole map is undead everywhere (Bifrons) and killing them is a chore w/o a several VH.

Good to know. Well gonna work on Vincent too, I think.

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Thanks. Didn't think that there's numerical amount on wiki.

 

[Xerxes]

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farming Shiho is suffering - I'm 5 or 6 copies in and stuck at -2 CR and Skill 3/5

 

[Tesseract]

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Sorry dude y̶o̶u̶r̶ you're wrong, as long as the unit is not taking damage (like a range unit or a melee out of the line of fire) Sophie's heal works wonders on ill stats maps, i know this since i have her on dmm and used her for that purpose ever since Miruno was add last year. Of course AW Sophie does a better job but the point remains she can out heal the poison/heat effect as long as the unit is not getting hit.

The one that "Halves" the damage from poison/heat maps is the feng shui class, thats their job actually, look at their class trait if you don't believe it. (Up to 70% after AW)

I'm not sure what the poison stats are on DMM. But unless my eyes deceive me, we are not talking about DMM AT ALL. And 36hp/s does not outheal 40hp/s from poison. His sophie was not awakened yet, so it's also only 20hp/s. Those are the straight facts kiddo. That will only outheal the poison if you ALSO have a cc'ed Feng Shui unit on board. But that was never the argument in the first place. You seem to have misread my post entirely.

Edit: Here are the straight stats for info...

Most poison maps (e.g. "very deadly poison") = 20hp damage every 1/2 second = 40hp/s damage
Sophie passive healing non awakened = 20hp/s healing
What does that equal on "very deadly poison" maps? Poison damage is effectively halved.

CCe'd feng shui = 50% poison damage reduction = 40 divided by 2 = 20hp/s damage
What does that equal on "very deadly poison" maps? Poison damage is effectively halved. Plus Feng Shui units also heal units in range.

Sophie will not out-heal poison damage on her own. Even awakened.

 

[Xion]

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Beep

Breathe.... Done? Okay, lets continue.

I reffer to dmm since i don't have the unit here, i can't/don't talk about units i don't own. The stats for the maps are the same, as with Sophie's ability, that haven't change.
So from my experience Sophie can out heal the poison effect if the unit is not taking a direct hit. That's all i said.

I haven't missed the point, we are talking about if she can or can't out heal terrain effects right? I have her and i have tested it, so i know what i'm talking about. I use her a samurai, a witch and a bishop to clear the H and X difficulty of the mondays daily, no healers, no feng shui, just her passive. It also out heal the poison damage after AW.

If you have tested it and it gave you a different results then there must be something wrong with my units, maybe they are broken?

Again i mention dmm BECAUSE THERE IS WHERE I HAVE THE UNIT, i not talking about numbers, but the actual performance of Sophie while deploy.

 

[Selius]

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farming Shiho is suffering - I'm 5 or 6 copies in and stuck at -2 CR and Skill 3/5

i wish i could farm shiho :/

do feng shui users reduce the desert penalty? maybe 30% reduction is just not very noticeable

 

[xaxs]

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i wish i could farm shiho :/

do feng shui users reduce the desert penalty? maybe 30% reduction is just not very noticeable

iirc they are and it was quite noticeable and big help since units didn't start with hp on lvl where they could die from one or two hits, but with quite higher hp. But mine was probably CCed already.

 

[Selius]

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i 3* buried beasts and got khuri

do i replace soma for her?

 

[0nymous]

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Well Shiho is an absolute fucking bitch to me.
Only 6 copies dropped from doing nothing but her mission since introduction.
... +2/-2.
Fuck. Off. I really don't want to waste SC, but it seems like I'll have to, this is the one even unit I want maxed because I've heard she's one of the few actually worth it.

 

[Xerxes]

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for an event unit that was introduced really early she's pretty crazy, and the toggle she gets on skill Awakening makes her both an effective healer and witch - apparently, as I don't play on DMM so I've never tried it out myself

 

[ziodyne]

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phew seeing some of your luck on shiho makes me happy I farmed her during that gold rush we had. it took me 7 freaking copies to get that final CR. She doesn't look like shes gonna be strong at all but shes cute and I want to try making her useful.

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